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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:58:07 GMT
Well I loved The Favourite last night. But my god, the performances those three women are giving are just incredible. Not a single misstep from any of them. It does make me give the side eye a little bit on catagory placement though, as the three of them are all on equal footing, or I'd actually argue Rachel and Emma are the leads, but I get why the producers have opted for the catagory placements they've gone for. Olivia is fabulous, and if she won I wouldn't be at all upset. Out of the two actresses, if one were to win (which I doubt will happen), I would back Emma over Rachel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:17:33 GMT
I agree that they are all co-lead really so the categories are a bit sneaky, which may end up going against Olivia sadly as although she gives by far the best performance, Gaga and Glenn are genuine true leads in their respective films.
I would probably disagree with choosing Emma over Rachel and would go the other way. Emma's character is the one that drives the film really and it's a really fabulous showy performance (in a good way) but I think Rachel gives the more subtle performance of the two. I do think that if there was ever an argument for a tie in a category though, it would be here. Both actresses match each other every step of the way.
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Post by shelbee on Jan 16, 2019 11:24:27 GMT
Rachel Weisz and Emma Stone will cancel each other out, and both have won before - I don't see either of them getting a second Oscar for a film that is good but not great and performances that are very good but not earth-shattering. Regina King should win it, her lack of SAG nomination just shows the lack of buzz for Beale Street as much as anything else (which is a shame as it's fabulous). The only person who can beat her is Amy Adams, and that would be more of an "about time" win than anything else, and if Glenn Close is going to win Best Actress then I'm not sure the Academy would give out two "overdue" acting prizes in one year...different story if Olivia Colman takes Best Actress of course. Adams is young, Closes time is running out. I don't think Adams role is deserving of one. Weisz had the best performance out of all of them, but King will probably end up with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:27:44 GMT
I feel very strongly that Anne Hathaway's performance in Ocean's 8 should not be overlooked by the academy though I guess that's something of a serious minority viewpoint.
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Post by shelbee on Jan 16, 2019 11:34:30 GMT
I feel very strongly that Anne Hathaway's performance in Ocean's 8 should not be overlooked by the academy though I guess that's something of a serious minority viewpoint. This is the first time I even heard it mention.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:39:04 GMT
I feel very strongly that Anne Hathaway's performance in Ocean's 8 should not be overlooked by the academy though I guess that's something of a serious minority viewpoint. I would actually agree. I think it's head and shoulders her best performance to date but strangely for such an OTT comic performance it's also probably way too subtle for most Academy voters and isn't an obvious "Vote for me!" performance. The performance I can compare it to most is Joan Cusack in 'In and Out'. Now I know that she did get an Oscar nomination for that (and actually should have won for my money, it's a sensational performance) but that's very much the exception rather than the rule. I kind of think Anne's 'Anne Hathaway-ness' probably counts against her at the moment too, she's been the target of a shedload of vitriol over the past few years which I think has 'damaged' her a little. The 'Ocean's 8' performance is amazing though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:46:07 GMT
I agree that they are all co-lead really so the categories are a bit sneaky, which may end up going against Olivia sadly as although she gives by far the best performance, Gaga and Glenn are genuine true leads in their respective films. I would probably disagree with choosing Emma over Rachel and would go the other way. Emma's character is the one that drives the film really and it's a really fabulous showy performance (in a good way) but I think Rachel gives the more subtle performance of the two. I do think that if there was ever an argument for a tie in a category though, it would be here. Both actresses match each other every step of the way. I think Rachel gives a fabulous performance, as is Emma's, and I think if either have a chance to win, it will be subtle vs. showy and what people prefer. Both are amazing and if either were to win I wouldn't be upset. But this award seems to be going Regina Kings way, however, she has no major award nominations from here on out. Over the next month with SAG and BAFTA, we will see who the actress(es) are who will stand in Regina's way, and I imagine it will be Amy or one of The Favourite women. I want Amy to finally win an Oscar, but I can't deny how amazing the two ladies from The Favourite are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:52:59 GMT
I think Emma and Rachel will end up cancelling each other out in the end so I think Amy Adams is the only one who could stop Regina King but I think King will win in the end. I think it will end up as Christian Bale, Glenn Close, Mahershala Ali and Regina King as the four winners.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:56:16 GMT
I think Emma and Rachel will end up cancelling each other out in the end so I think Amy Adams is the only one who could stop Regina King but I think King will win in the end. I think it will end up as Christian Bale, Glenn Close, Mahershala Ali and Regina King as the four winners. Much as I love that lineup, I hope its not that straight forward, just because last year we knew all four going in. Just one surprise would be lovely!
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Post by kathryn on Jan 16, 2019 12:03:56 GMT
I think the academy will either go for Colman or Close for best actress. It just depends whether they feel like doing a long-overdue career recognition award or a 'OMG, we've discovered this amazing new talent fully-formed, and she's so down-to-earth!!' award.
I wouldn't be surprised if the lure of the 'new' tempted them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:06:43 GMT
@ryan are we not long overdue a Babs/Hepburn tie for Glenn/Olivia? I think you'd implode. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:07:32 GMT
I think Emma and Rachel will end up cancelling each other out in the end so I think Amy Adams is the only one who could stop Regina King but I think King will win in the end. I think it will end up as Christian Bale, Glenn Close, Mahershala Ali and Regina King as the four winners. Replace Christian Bale with Rami Malek and that would be my "most likely" list, though far from certain. I can see how the role Bale plays might give him the edge. As much as I think Olivia Colman is the most deserving of the likely Best Actress nominees, I can't begrudge a Glenn Close win in whole career terms. I'll be rather upset if Regina King doesn't win! Supporting Actor is a strange one as there isn't an awful lot of momentum surrounding any of them, and the Academy may swing against giving Mahershala Ali a second award in 3 years. It's an interesting year in terms of uncertainty - I think the only certs at the minute are that Weisz and Stone will cancel each other out, and that Cooper and Gaga won't win in the acting categories as they will more likely win elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:11:56 GMT
@ryan are we not long overdue a Babs/Hepburn tie for Glenn/Olivia? I think you'd implode. 😂 That would be totes amazeballs. I can't begrudge Glenn finally winning (especially after she was shockingly overlooked for '101 Dalmatians') but then I also adore National Treasure, Dame Olivia Colman too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:12:07 GMT
I'm gutted for Timothée Chalamet though. Two Oscar nominations at the age of just 23 is incredible, but he already feels overdue and that's crazy.
Also, whatever happened Saoirse Ronan? I remember at the start of the year, alot of people were predicting her a nomination for Mart, Queen of Scots but she's really fallen through the cracks, she's not even on the radar anymore. Margot Robbie is getting more hype and award nominations than she is (which sidenote, I do think she is going to be the "other" slot at the Oscars just based on the attention she has had on other award ceremonies).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:15:06 GMT
Supporting Actor is a strange one as there isn't an awful lot of momentum surrounding any of them, and the Academy may swing against giving Mahershala Ali a second award in 3 years. The only person I could perhaps see taking the award instead of Ali is Sam Elliott. Long career, popular actor, never been nominated etc. The Academy love that. It's also a way of them rewarding 'A Star is Born' with something other than Best Song.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 16, 2019 12:16:35 GMT
I think Rami is a lock. Not that it's necessarily the best performance of the year, but with biopics there's always a sense that the person you are portraying is also being awarded, and Freddie Mercury beats Dick Cheney hands-down in that respect.
(I swear the Academy voted for 'Stephen Hawking' rather than Eddie Redmayne, which is why within 6 months or so of him winning his performance was being called as 'technical', 'shallow' and 'overrated'.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:17:45 GMT
I might be making this up, but I swear I've read somewhere than Saoirse Ronan hates all the campaigning that is required, and it does seem as if she hasn't done any for this.
Word of mouth is that she is very good but the film itself is so historically inaccurate that it becomes laughable (and unlike The Favourite it isn't meant to be irreverent so can't get away with it on that basis), so the anticipatory buzz has somewhat died down.
She definitely should win an Oscar some day though, I would have given her one for Brooklyn! But she's still young.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 12:19:21 GMT
I think Rami is a lock. Not that it's necessarily the best performance of the year, but with biopics there's always a sense that the person you are portraying is also being awarded, and Freddie Mercury beats Dick Cheney hands-down in that respect. (I swear the Academy voted for 'Stephen Hawking' rather than Eddie Redmayne, which is why within 6 months or so of him winning his performance was being called as 'technical', 'shallow' and 'overrated'.) I think Rami should win. I've seen it twice now and I just think what he is doing in that film is amazing, if Bohemian wins anything, it'll be that. But I suspect Bohemian will get a fair few nominations too, such as Actor, Costume, Hair and Makeup. And I do think it'll make it into the Best Picture race too now.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 16, 2019 16:22:50 GMT
I haven't seen Vice yet, so I can't judge whether his performance is actually better than Christian Bale's. I'm judging purely on fickle academy voting tendencies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 16:32:33 GMT
Rami meet Sami. Sami meet Rami.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 16:47:12 GMT
Rami meet Sami. Sami meet Rami. I'll take both 🤤
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Post by missthelma on Jan 17, 2019 20:14:08 GMT
I was about to start a new thread for The Favourite as I couldn't find one dedicated to the film but it seems the chat on it has all migrated here. I wonder how (who?) they made the decision to put Olivia Colman in the leading category as of the three performances which do seem broadly equal in screen time, hers felt to me like the one that belonged most in supporting. If I recall I'm sure early talk was of placing her there. I don't think she's quite strong enough to walk away with the leading Oscar but I think she might well have won the supporting (I've not seen Regina King yet but Amy Adams in Vice is about as interesting as watching custard set and they seem to be the two main contenders). I certainly don't think she is a match for Glenn Close in The Wife. Did anyone else find some of the music in The Favourite intensely annoying? And what was with the occasional fish eye lens?
And just so I don't only mention The Favourite, I found Vice to be incredibly irritating and majorly over rated, Christian Bale disappears into his role but that's kind of par for the course for him. I did eventually start to fast forward bits of Vice mostly as I'm familiar with the back story and it wasn't adding anything new. It's actually put me off seeing the Hugh Jackman Front Runner movie as am familiar with that story too but that seems to vanishing pretty fast from cinemas anyway. That was seen as an Oscar contender in production I believe.
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Post by indis on Jan 17, 2019 20:52:12 GMT
hope Lady Gaga wins one
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Post by Polly1 on Jan 19, 2019 13:45:13 GMT
I enjoyed The Favourite very much, I think it helped having seen the RSC's Queen Anne last year which covered the same ground (& was better of course, being a play). Colman deserves all the awards, a performance of great depth and completely without vanity (cementing her status as the new Dame Judi). But I know several people who have hated the film and I can imagine a lot of people going who expect some sort of ditzy comedy!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 13:59:54 GMT
I really don't know what will happen with Actress. Glenn, Gaga and Olivia have all won a major award each (with Glenn winning two!), so that is a real race and whoever wins BAFTA and/or SAG will be the telling signs. I've also had friends tell me it's a shame Melissa McCarthy is amazing in Can You Ever Forgive Me this year, because any other year, she'd win.
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