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Post by sf on Mar 5, 2019 22:55:04 GMT
Musicals have had a number of these. Kat and the Kings beating out Rent in 1999 (it was quite fun but forgettable), Honk beating The Lion King (parochialism at its worst) the next year. Miss Saigon bested by Return to the Forbidden Planet a decade or so earlier. And for the last of those, the most jaw-dropping thing that season was that Aspects of Love wasn't even nominated. It wasn't perfect, but it certainly deserved a nomination over The Baker's Wife. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 9:16:31 GMT
Woke up this morning and the first thing I thought was "to be in a year where Supporting Actress in a Musical is that perfect". Ah to be a theatre fan in 2019. 😍😍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 9:29:16 GMT
Woke up this morning and the first thing I thought was "to be in a year where Supporting Actress in a Musical is that perfect". Ah to be a theatre fan in 2019. 😍😍 Unless you're Jodie Steele. I'll bet she's fuming. And quite right too. I hope she crashes the event. |
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Post by sophie92 on Mar 6, 2019 10:11:13 GMT
I think Six quite neatly fits the “home-grown” musical box that I’m sure the Olivier panel would have wanted to tick off. There’s no doubt that the music of Six is fantastic, but I felt it was massively let down by the book and dialogue, nor did I think the choreography was particularly special (other than there being quite a lot of it)
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Post by duncan on Mar 6, 2019 11:38:19 GMT
I’m not hugely familiar with Oliviers history and I love learning about this stuff. I’d love any examples you remember of ground breaking and beaten by boring. One that some (including myself) would also dispute is Sunday in the Park with George being beaten by La Cage Aux Folles (a breath of fresh air in terms of having a gay central couple but as traditional otherwise as you can imagine). A massive fuss was had over that one at the time. I'm the same with Hamilton - take away the fact its "rap" and its a VERY traditional musical all the way down to the comedy supporting character of the King. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 11:41:41 GMT
Rap isn't even *that* atraditional in the context of musical theatre, as Lin-Manuel Miranda himself will admit, if you look back at the long history of patter songs and even speak-singing.
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Post by zephyrus on Mar 6, 2019 12:00:16 GMT
I strongly suspect that the absence of Hadestown is SOLT's way of saying that they don't approve of the English National Theatre being used for Broadway tryouts. Yes I would venture that too. And it’s a big difference between that which was made with an eye on - no more like a foot on-Broadway before the start, and “genuine transfers” like Angels, Network hell even War Horse etc none of which were “made” for Broadway. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 12:08:02 GMT
One that some (including myself) would also dispute is Sunday in the Park with George being beaten by La Cage Aux Folles (a breath of fresh air in terms of having a gay central couple but as traditional otherwise as you can imagine). A massive fuss was had over that one at the time. I'm the same with Hamilton - take away the fact its "rap" and its a VERY traditional musical all the way down to the comedy supporting character of the King. With Hamilton, the traditional structure has a mix of now standard musical fare with a number of surprises. Coupled with its production, however, and its use of non-traditional casting and there is a definite argument that it is groundbreaking. Rent was similarly a culmination of work from previous shows, yet the way that it used them made it new. With both I think that the lyrics are what elevate them from what came before; theatrically effective in a way that pop music lyrics fail to be onstage.
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Post by aroncido on Mar 7, 2019 1:09:25 GMT
I don't know basically anything about theatre awards (I spend my whole year with the Oscar race) but is there a reasonable explanation why Cate Blanchett and Stephen Dillane were overlooked for When We Have Sufficiently Tortured Each Other?
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Post by lonlad on Mar 7, 2019 1:37:36 GMT
Probably the fact that it got the worst reviews within living memory? And the first zero star rating I have ever seen from the Sunday Times.
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Post by aroncido on Mar 7, 2019 4:32:43 GMT
Yeah I guess that’s reasonable. Although, regardless of the play itself, the performances were pretty bombastic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 9:24:48 GMT
Some of the reviews didn't mind it *that* much, I'm sure Too Close To The Sun was MUCH more universally reviled (though obviously my apologies if you were born after 8th August 2009 and therefore it cannot be said to have happened within *your* living memory).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 10:11:55 GMT
Do we think we'll see a performance from Company at the Awards? If so what song?
Granted the show will have closed by the time of the ceremony but other shows in previous years have closed but still performed..
Perhaps it'd be a way to get the word out there to the masses, prior to a cinema screening..? OK now I'm dreaming.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 11:24:21 GMT
I don't know basically anything about theatre awards (I spend my whole year with the Oscar race) but is there a reasonable explanation why Cate Blanchett and Stephen Dillane were overlooked for When We Have Sufficiently Tortured Each Other? Divisive. For me it was the best mew play I’ve seen this year but awards are about universal acclaim or not annoying people. Crimp and Mitchell, the writer and director, have actually been nominated this year but for the opera ‘Lessons in Love and Violence’ alongside its composer George Benjamin (it’s a version of the Edward II/Gaveston story). |
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Post by westendgurl on Mar 7, 2019 12:21:56 GMT
On the whole I agree with most of the nominations, but I have to say I'm shocked that none of The Inheritance cast received Best Supporting Actor nods. I also can't believe The Jungle was overlooked! (I know it wasn't eligible this year, but last year it deserved some recognition!) Best New Musical is a tough one to call!
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Post by LaLuPone on Mar 7, 2019 13:51:17 GMT
Do we think we'll see a performance from Company at the Awards? If so what song? Granted the show will have closed by the time of the ceremony but other shows in previous years have closed but still performed.. Perhaps it'd be a way to get the word out there to the masses, prior to a cinema screening..? OK now I'm dreaming. I’d have thought they would do a performance, the title number would be the best choice! I’d assume Patti will stay to pick up her Olivier seeing as the ceremony’s only a week after it closes. Otherwise they could just have Rosalie singing Being Alive maybe? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 19:24:06 GMT
Ooooooo I've just clocked someone who didn't get nominated that I was hoping they would have done, Calum Finlay for Switzerland! I thought he was fantastic, gave a very well rounded performance and playes the twist at the end fabulously. I don't know if he would be considered Lead or Supporting, I guess Lead as its a two-hander, but until the last third, it was very much the Phyllis show. I'd have liked to see him get nominated.  |
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Mar 26, 2019 11:50:40 GMT
Performers and Presenters announced: Appearing at next month's event at the Royal Albert Hall will be Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, Danny Dyer, Sally Field, Paapa Essiedu, Gloria Estefan, Judy Kuhn, Wendell Pierce, Bill Pullman, Art Malik, Andy Nyman, Kelsey Grammer, Tom Hiddleston, Zawe Ashton, Charlie Cox, Ashley Shaw, Joanne Clifton and Kevin Clifton. Those presenting will also include Jack McBrayer, Katharine McPhee, Ruthie Henshall, Harriet Scott, the Mamma Mia! 'Dynamos', Jade Anouka, Ncuti Gatwa, Thea Sharrock, Wunmi Mosaku, Arthur Darvill, Beverley Knight, Danielle de Niese, Layton Williams, Pasek and Paul and Shane Richie. The event will also see performances from The Lion King and Mamma Mia!, both of which are celebrating 20 years in the West End, as well as a number of award-nominated shows including Caroline, Or Change, Come From Away, Company, Fun Home, The King And I, Six and Tina – The Tina Turner Musical. Beverley Knight will perform during the In Memoriam section of the show. www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/duchess-of-cornwall-tom-hiddleston-olivier-2019_48758.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=25March2019 |
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Post by shady23 on Mar 26, 2019 12:33:58 GMT
Please tell me we will be able to watch this and not just have to follow via Twitter.
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Post by lou105 on Mar 26, 2019 14:58:39 GMT
Please tell me we will be able to watch this and not just have to follow via Twitter. The last few years have been shown edited on ITV, not live but on the same day. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:06:38 GMT
Nice to see they're looking after the ITV crowd with the inclusion of Shane Richie
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:48:30 GMT
Nice to see they're looking after the ITV crowd with the inclusion of Shane Richie I guess he *is* in a show in London's glitzy West End at the moment so he's not entirely random. |
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Post by LaLuPone on Mar 30, 2019 11:41:33 GMT
Broadcast on ITV at 10:20-12:10 on the night of the ceremony.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2019 11:58:55 GMT
Any winner predictions so far? Seems a lot of categories are wide open.
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Post by danieljohnson14 on Mar 30, 2019 12:03:06 GMT
Best Actor in a Musical: Dunno, worst catagory we've had in a long time at the Olivier's for this catagory.
Best Actress in a Musical: Kelli is the only one who doesn't have a chance. I imagine Rosalie will win, but I could honestly see Adrienne or even Sharon taking it home too.
Best Actor in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Jonathan Bailey (No Competition)
Best Actress in a Supporting Role in a Musical: Patti LuPone (I can see a reason for The Queens to win, and I can see it happening too)
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