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Post by sparky5000 on Oct 30, 2019 14:17:41 GMT
Big advertising push to schools on this apparently,according to a friend of mine.Glossy brochures have been sent out advertising £19.50 tickets for term-time performances and a free education pack on the web-site.I guess they are aiming to attract those studying R&J with an alternative take on the ending.Jamie did a similar push and their on-line resources aimed at the secondary curriculum are excellent. We are there on Saturday and just hope the joy and energy of the Manc production transfers well.Will a WE audience ‘get it’ and will it sell? Don’t want it to get lost in the mix.Word of mouth will be important. It’s such a fun show I hope it catches on! I’m still not sure how this will play out with the teen audience! |
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Post by amuseical on Oct 30, 2019 18:58:46 GMT
Some great age-related deals on their website.
For under 25s, Monday-Thursday Band A tickets are £35, and Band C tickets £20.
For over 65s, Band A tickets at matinee performances (Tue, Wed, Thur) are £40.
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Post by showgirl on Oct 30, 2019 19:16:29 GMT
Some great age-related deals on their website. For under 25s, Monday-Thursday Band A tickets are £35, and Band C tickets £20. For over 65s, Band A tickets at matinee performances (Tue, Wed, Thur) are £40. I wouldn't call those great deals: £35 and £40 is a LOT of money to me and I'm sure to many others here. £20 might be better, cost-wise, but how good it actually is depends on the location of the Band C tickets. Plus, speaking as a pensioner, why shouldn't pensioners be offered the same deal as younger people, since the assumption is preumably that both groups have limited incomes? |
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Post by Rukaya on Oct 30, 2019 19:27:16 GMT
Some great age-related deals on their website. For under 25s, Monday-Thursday Band A tickets are £35, and Band C tickets £20. For over 65s, Band A tickets at matinee performances (Tue, Wed, Thur) are £40. I wouldn't call those great deals: £35 and £40 is a LOT of money to me and I'm sure to many others here. £20 might be better, cost-wise, but how good it actually is depends on the location of the Band C tickets. Plus, speaking as a pensioner, why shouldn't pensioners be offered the same deal as younger people, since the assumption is preumably that both groups have limited incomes? Considering those tickets are discounted down from ~£75 pre-press, I'd say that is a pretty good deal. No it's still not accessible for all but that's basically half price for top price tickets. |
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Post by showtoones on Oct 30, 2019 20:16:14 GMT
This show will probably be at the booth at least for a few months while the word of mouth spreads. You could probably get a ticket for 37.50?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 20:39:25 GMT
i suspect it might turn up on Today Tix fairly often in the first few weeks too.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 30, 2019 22:39:01 GMT
I love this mentality that people want to see it (assuming from a best position) for £20 or something. You do know that you can actually buy cheaper seats right? They just won’t be great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 0:13:04 GMT
I love this mentality that people want to see it (assuming from a best position) for £20 or something. You do know that you can actually buy cheaper seats right? They just won’t be great. Why not? Everyone is out for a deal. If it's there, I am taking it. For the last 2 years, I have never paid more than an average of £30 a ticket and have always sat either Premium, A or B for any show. Why should people have a worse view just because they can't afford the higher priced seats? Ticket prices are astronomical and only going up, let's see better pricing in theatre up and down the country, but especially in London. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 31, 2019 0:35:32 GMT
I love this mentality that people want to see it (assuming from a best position) for £20 or something. You do know that you can actually buy cheaper seats right? They just won’t be great. Why not? Everyone is out for a deal. If it's there, I am taking it. For the last 2 years, I have never paid more than an average of £30 a ticket and have always sat either Premium, A or B for any show. Why should people have a worse view just because they can't afford the higher priced seats? Ticket prices are astronomical and only going up, let's see better pricing in theatre up and down the country, but especially in London. It's commercial theatre, they have to make money and pay everyone a decent wage. |
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Post by showgirl on Oct 31, 2019 4:31:05 GMT
Getting off-topic but of course I'm not saying I expect the best seats for those prices - though sometimes you do find good deals, eg on Todaytix, as mentioned, or day seats. What I am saying, and maintain, is that the upper two prices quoted represent a big spend for many of us and for me at least, maybe a once or twice a year outlay on something I'm fairly sure will be worth it, eg an established, major West End musical for a treat.
My average ticket cost is stil around £15, having crept up by a few pence only over the last few years and I need to keep it that way or see fewer productions. On Saturday, for instance, I am using a £5 deal at the Kiln Theatre and my matinee ticket is a £10 one, ie £15 total for my day's theatre-going, which helps offset the more expensive trips.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 31, 2019 7:35:04 GMT
I love this mentality that people want to see it (assuming from a best position) for £20 or something. You do know that you can actually buy cheaper seats right? They just won’t be great. Why not? Everyone is out for a deal. If it's there, I am taking it. For the last 2 years, I have never paid more than an average of £30 a ticket and have always sat either Premium, A or B for any show. Why should people have a worse view just because they can't afford the higher priced seats? Ticket prices are astronomical and only going up, let's see better pricing in theatre up and down the country, but especially in London. Oh I get taking advantage of a deal if it’s there.. but why should you pay £20 and get an amazing seat when many have paid £65+? These shows cost so much money to stage.. they have to make money back. You want everyone to take a pay cut so you can sit in the stalls for £20? |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Oct 31, 2019 7:46:43 GMT
Why not? Everyone is out for a deal. If it's there, I am taking it. For the last 2 years, I have never paid more than an average of £30 a ticket and have always sat either Premium, A or B for any show. Why should people have a worse view just because they can't afford the higher priced seats? Ticket prices are astronomical and only going up, let's see better pricing in theatre up and down the country, but especially in London. Oh I get taking advantage of a deal if it’s there.. but why should you pay £20 and get an amazing seat when many have paid £65+? These shows cost so much money to stage.. they have to make money back. You want everyone to take a pay cut so you can sit in the stalls for £20? Yep. Yep. That’s exactly how it works. There are no unions. If producers discount a ticket then that price difference comes off one of the Swing’s salary. I definitely think everybody should consider other people who paid full price and avoid all discounts. That’s the best moral thing to do and is what should happen if presented with discounts for food, flights, electricals etc. Even if you don’t earn much you should definitely cripple yourself financially to follow this philosophy. Yep. Exactly  |
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Post by Jon on Oct 31, 2019 13:47:18 GMT
It’s a tricky balance. Shows would be closing very quickly or not lasting long if they having to offer cheap tickets.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 14:07:28 GMT
Why not? Everyone is out for a deal. If it's there, I am taking it. For the last 2 years, I have never paid more than an average of £30 a ticket and have always sat either Premium, A or B for any show. Why should people have a worse view just because they can't afford the higher priced seats? Ticket prices are astronomical and only going up, let's see better pricing in theatre up and down the country, but especially in London. Oh I get taking advantage of a deal if it’s there.. but why should you pay £20 and get an amazing seat when many have paid £65+? These shows cost so much money to stage.. they have to make money back. You want everyone to take a pay cut so you can sit in the stalls for £20? It's not my responsibility to think about the wage of the cast members. Producers should take less of a cut. It's the producers responsibility to pay their cast a fair wage. Producers rake it in, when they don't need to. If everything was just more balanced and fair, ticket prices could be lower, far lower. They need not cost so much money to stage. There's people upon people who choose to charge a certain amount of money for whatever costs are involved and alot of the time they are incredibly inflated, just to make big money. Where is if everyone just sought out to make less profit, without being greedy. We could all see shows from great seats at great prices and we could all experience the magic of theatre. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 31, 2019 14:33:01 GMT
I do find the whole ‘producers are greedy’ is a bit tiring especially when you consider that for every show that recoups and makes money, there are many more that make a loss. Theatre is expensive and even places like the National have had to introduce premium pricing to able to balance the books.
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Post by showtoones on Oct 31, 2019 15:13:35 GMT
Oh I get taking advantage of a deal if it’s there.. but why should you pay £20 and get an amazing seat when many have paid £65+? These shows cost so much money to stage.. they have to make money back. You want everyone to take a pay cut so you can sit in the stalls for £20? It's not my responsibility to think about the wage of the cast members. Producers should take less of a cut. It's the producers responsibility to pay their cast a fair wage. Producers rake it in, when they don't need to. If everything was just more balanced and fair, ticket prices could be lower, far lower. They need not cost so much money to stage. There's people upon people who choose to charge a certain amount of money for whatever costs are involved and alot of the time they are incredibly inflated, just to make big money. Where is if everyone just sought out to make less profit, without being greedy. We could all see shows from great seats at great prices and we could all experience the magic of theatre. Here's the deal... This is a business and while it may not be your job to worry about the cast being paid a fair wage, your comment makes you look a little short sided like you don't care about others as long as you get a cheap ticket. Producers can charge whatever they want and for hot shows, people will pay full price and those shows which may not be as popular producers can discount and still make money. It could take 2-3 years for a show to even break even with the large casts, theatre rentals, royalties, costumes, etc. You need to realize there are so many people behind the scenes making a show happen - stage crew, cast, musicians, front of house, marketing, publicity, advertising, box office, security, etc. All of this comes at a cost. PLUS, the prices in the West End are far cheaper than Broadway and British Equity's minimums are far less than on Broadway, where the Equity minimum for an ensemble member of a Broadway musical is about $2000 per week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 15:37:52 GMT
It's not my responsibility to think about the wage of the cast members. Producers should take less of a cut. It's the producers responsibility to pay their cast a fair wage. Producers rake it in, when they don't need to. If everything was just more balanced and fair, ticket prices could be lower, far lower. They need not cost so much money to stage. There's people upon people who choose to charge a certain amount of money for whatever costs are involved and alot of the time they are incredibly inflated, just to make big money. Where is if everyone just sought out to make less profit, without being greedy. We could all see shows from great seats at great prices and we could all experience the magic of theatre. Here's the deal... This is a business and while it may not be your job to worry about the cast being paid a fair wage, your comment makes you look a little short sided like you don't care about others as long as you get a cheap ticket. Producers can charge whatever they want and for hot shows, people will pay full price and those shows which may not be as popular producers can discount and still make money. It could take 2-3 years for a show to even break even with the large casts, theatre rentals, royalties, costumes, etc. You need to realize there are so many people behind the scenes making a show happen - stage crew, cast, musicians, front of house, marketing, publicity, advertising, box office, security, etc. All of this comes at a cost. PLUS, the prices in the West End are far cheaper than Broadway and British Equity's minimums are far less than on Broadway, where the Equity minimum for an ensemble member of a Broadway musical is about $2000 per week. First of all, I don't appreciate your harsh and condescending tone. No need for that at all. I think you've completely misunderstood my comment. I dont think you should be pulling random estimations out of thin air. If you truly believe what are you saying, that's fine. I just choose to believe you are having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe it takes 2-3 years for a show to break even and that producers are ok charging what they are charging. To me, theatre should be about the art first and foremost and money second. Please do not belittle someone for having a different opinion to yourself. I thought this was supposed to a nice place. Moderators? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 16:50:24 GMT
I do find the whole ‘producers are greedy’ is a bit tiring especially when you consider that for every show that recoups and makes money, there are many more that make a loss. Theatre is expensive and even places like the National have had to introduce premium pricing to able to balance the books. I disagree. Theatre CAN be expensive, but it need not be. You can do alot with a little. - if you think that the National has introduced premium pricing to "balance the books" that's fine. But I'd like to know what kind of lifestyle the big wigs have. I bet Rufus Norris doesn't live in a modest 2 bed semi... |
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Post by showtoones on Oct 31, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
Here's the deal... This is a business and while it may not be your job to worry about the cast being paid a fair wage, your comment makes you look a little short sided like you don't care about others as long as you get a cheap ticket. Producers can charge whatever they want and for hot shows, people will pay full price and those shows which may not be as popular producers can discount and still make money. It could take 2-3 years for a show to even break even with the large casts, theatre rentals, royalties, costumes, etc. You need to realize there are so many people behind the scenes making a show happen - stage crew, cast, musicians, front of house, marketing, publicity, advertising, box office, security, etc. All of this comes at a cost. PLUS, the prices in the West End are far cheaper than Broadway and British Equity's minimums are far less than on Broadway, where the Equity minimum for an ensemble member of a Broadway musical is about $2000 per week. First of all, I don't appreciate your harsh and condescending tone. No need for that at all. I think you've completely misunderstood my comment. I dont think you should be pulling random estimations out of thin air. If you truly believe what are you saying, that's fine. I just choose to believe you are having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe it takes 2-3 years for a show to break even and that producers are ok charging what they are charging. To me, theatre should be about the art first and foremost and money second. Please do not belittle someone for having a different opinion to yourself. I thought this was supposed to a nice place. Moderators? Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I am belittling you. I am not. You are welcome to your opinion, just like I am welcome to mine. I just thought it wasn't very nice to say that it is not your job to worry about the cast's salary. In your own words, "It's not my responsibility to think about the wage of the cast members." Theatre should be about art yes - but this isn't a not for profit situation when speaking about the West End. It's about balancing the commercial and the artistic. How can you make a large, sweeping statement in your post about and not expect that some people may disagree with you? Isn't that what this board is all about? It's about debating something that we all love - Theatre. And that is a beautiful thing. |
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Post by Jon on Oct 31, 2019 17:04:40 GMT
I do find the whole ‘producers are greedy’ is a bit tiring especially when you consider that for every show that recoups and makes money, there are many more that make a loss. Theatre is expensive and even places like the National have had to introduce premium pricing to able to balance the books. I disagree. Theatre CAN be expensive, but it need not be. You can do alot with a little. - if you think that the National has introduced premium pricing to "balance the books" that's fine. But I'd like to know what kind of lifestyle the big wigs have. I bet Rufus Norris doesn't live in a modest 2 bed semi... The National has to raise money every year in order to make operational costs and to fund things like development of new works, education etc and that doesn't come cheap. Ticket sales only cover a third of that so nobody's getting rich. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:09:02 GMT
Playing devil's advocate here:
Thing is you could extrapolate this argument to most things a consumer buys. If M&S bring out a new ready meal then there is also a vast cost behind that. The product developers, merchandisers, buyers, factory staff, packaging designers, depots, delivery drivers, store staff from top to bottom etc etc, the list is endless. But nobody cares about any of their salaries when they buy their product. Ditto pretty much everything we buy as consumers. Is a ticket any different? I think most of us, if we are honest, would like the best possible ticket for the lowest possible price.
That said, the arts do need supporting. And for the shows I like, if I can see where the money has gone, I do not begrudge a (reasonable) top price non premium ticket. In recent years Les Mis, Saigon, Bat, Company, Follies, Starlight Germany, OAT JCS and Evita all well worth it.
Joseph I paid repeatedly as I love the show and really liked the production. But I did feel I was being ripped off slightly by the prices of the decent Stalls seats.
For the smaller shows I love, where it's probably harder to turn a profit, I am happy to pay in the vague hope that what I am spending might in a small way keep the show running.
But there are so many shows where you feel the producers are charging the most they can and spending the least they can - and when that is their attitude, who can blame Joe Public for wanting a deal?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:11:53 GMT
Oh and back to topic. & Juliet is IMHO well worth the prices they are charging for the West End. And is not one where the producers are taking the pi$$. Heart and soul has been poured in and you can see where your money has gone.
(Though ironically to survive probably will need to adopt a discount model....)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:12:11 GMT
First of all, I don't appreciate your harsh and condescending tone. No need for that at all. I think you've completely misunderstood my comment. I dont think you should be pulling random estimations out of thin air. If you truly believe what are you saying, that's fine. I just choose to believe you are having the wool pulled over your eyes if you believe it takes 2-3 years for a show to break even and that producers are ok charging what they are charging. To me, theatre should be about the art first and foremost and money second. Please do not belittle someone for having a different opinion to yourself. I thought this was supposed to a nice place. Moderators? Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I am belittling you. I am not. You are welcome to your opinion, just like I am welcome to mine. I just thought it wasn't very nice to say that it is not your job to worry about the cast's salary. In your own words, "It's not my responsibility to think about the wage of the cast members." Theatre should be about art yes - but this isn't a not for profit situation when speaking about the West End. It's about balancing the commercial and the artistic. How can you make a large, sweeping statement in your post about and not expect that some people may disagree with you? Isn't that what this board is all about? It's about debating something that we all love - Theatre. And that is a beautiful thing. I didn't think it was all that sweeping of a statement. I wasnt being rude. It genuinely isn't mine or any audience members responsibility to think about or worry about how much the cast are getting paid. It's none of my business. What is my business is the cost of my ticket. I think we should just agree to disagree here otherwise we could be here all day. Theatre can be a beautiful thing, we agree there! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:16:27 GMT
I disagree. Theatre CAN be expensive, but it need not be. You can do alot with a little. - if you think that the National has introduced premium pricing to "balance the books" that's fine. But I'd like to know what kind of lifestyle the big wigs have. I bet Rufus Norris doesn't live in a modest 2 bed semi... The National has to raise money every year in order to make operational costs and to fund things like development of new works, education etc and that doesn't come cheap. Ticket sales only cover a third of that so nobody's getting rich. I don't think the National HAS to raise money every year. It chooses to. Big difference. If the big wigs chose to do a good thing and take less home every month, perhaps near the living wage, I would then like to say how much they can save on fundraising! That's the main gist of what I'm saying. Put less money in their pockets and share it around. Doesn't seem hard to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2019 17:18:37 GMT
Oh and back to topic. & Juliet is IMHO well worth the prices they are charging for the West End. And is not one where the producers are taking the pi$$. Heart and soul has been poured in and you can see where your money has gone. (Though ironically to survive probably will need to adopt a discount model....) This is positive and a nice thing to hear. I hope to see it at some point when it comes to town. I also really like the under 25, and over 60s schemes they are running. Really appreciated I'm sure. Rush tickets on TodayTix too! God bless TodayTix. |
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