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Post by djp on Dec 4, 2020 5:15:57 GMT
I’m just grateful that anyone at all is still putting work out there. The government has judged the mood and needs of the people so badly wrong; assuming that everyones method of letting off steam is ‘going for a jog’ or ‘going to the gym’. I still fail to see how a load of sweat flying around an enclosed space isn’t worse than 1000 people breathing in a bigger airier space having their souls bathed in joy. The ensuing mental health crisis is going to be huge. Likewise Bingo for Doris down the road. If it’s the thing you do to ‘escape’ and you can’t do it, the impact on your psyche can’t be underestimated. Spot on. All this crap about 'sweat yourself back to mental health' is utter guff. The govt have totally misjudged things, and I feel for our arts professionals, all of whom were thrown onto a sacrificial pyre for no obvious reason. We need to get the arts back up and running and those who are able to support by attending / buying tickets must do do with renewed vigour. We must stop pandering to caution and fear, and get on with living. Its not about fake bravery . its the nature of exponential growth which is a pretty simple basic mathematical concept to grasp. If you then stick people in confined spaces, in cramped seats for long periods, with terrible ventilation and forced airflows with the singing , you get superspreader events . And if you let the virus rip there soon won't be anyone but complete idiots going out at all when the R number gets near to 3 again , because the risk increases , and , as in America, Russia,Spain and Ital, you end up with no hospital beds left for people with covid or anything else wrong. And given the evidence of long covid causing lung damage , if i was a performer i wouldn't risk my singing career risking covid now when the vaccine is near unless it comes early with the job. |
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Post by djp on Dec 4, 2020 5:27:06 GMT
I hope they make it clear who is performing when or there may be riots at the box office! Given they have 4 major Valjeans in the cast list - including the tour Valjean- they either have a complete synod of bishops, or who plays Valjean and Javert is going to need some serious checking if anyone does actually want to see Boe /Ball. |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 5:39:31 GMT
Spot on. All this crap about 'sweat yourself back to mental health' is utter guff. The govt have totally misjudged things, and I feel for our arts professionals, all of whom were thrown onto a sacrificial pyre for no obvious reason. We need to get the arts back up and running and those who are able to support by attending / buying tickets must do do with renewed vigour. We must stop pandering to caution and fear, and get on with living. Its not about fake bravery . its the nature of exponential growth which is a pretty simple basic mathematical concept to grasp. If you then stick people in confined spaces, in cramped seats for long periods, with terrible ventilation and forced airflows with the singing , you get superspreader events . And if you let the virus rip there soon won't be anyone but complete idiots going out at all when the R number gets near to 3 again , because the risk increases , and , as in America, Russia,Spain and Ital, you end up with no hospital beds left for people with covid or anything else wrong. And given the evidence of long covid causing lung damage , if i was a performer i wouldn't risk my singing career risking covid now when the vaccine is near unless it comes early with the job. If you're fearful, negative and pessimistic you might not. If you believe we are beating this thing then you'll get out and about, back to work and living life again. For the record, exponential growth requires a tipping point (one which the UK hasn't come close to) and we have already witnessed our upper limits, with a shorter/sharper second spike. For that reason, combined with vaccine availability, it is safe to gradually return to business as usual. You're welcome. |
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Post by djp on Dec 4, 2020 6:37:56 GMT
Its not about fake bravery . its the nature of exponential growth which is a pretty simple basic mathematical concept to grasp. If you then stick people in confined spaces, in cramped seats for long periods, with terrible ventilation and forced airflows with the singing , you get superspreader events . And if you let the virus rip there soon won't be anyone but complete idiots going out at all when the R number gets near to 3 again , because the risk increases , and , as in America, Russia,Spain and Ital, you end up with no hospital beds left for people with covid or anything else wrong. And given the evidence of long covid causing lung damage , if i was a performer i wouldn't risk my singing career risking covid now when the vaccine is near unless it comes early with the job. If you're fearful, negative and pessimistic you might not. If you believe we are beating this thing then you'll get out and about, back to work and living life again. For the record, exponential growth requires a tipping point (one which the UK hasn't come close to) and we have already witnessed our upper limits, with a shorter/sharper second spike. For that reason, combined with vaccine availability, it is safe to gradually return to business as usual. You're welcome. We were very near to hospital capacity in several trusts before the last lockdown. And exponential growth is real - rates in Kent just down the road went up by 1500 % in about 5 weeks. Your argument is the same as are those seen from the Trump camp in America - the result is hospitals reaching capacity from Texas to Dakota because ignoring the problem or going into self interested denial, like Trump. doesn't make it go away. We have only beaten the R number back down below 1 where we have by lockdowns and closing enough sources of infection to achieve that - you don't maintain that by just restarting everything everytime the R number goes below 1. Indeed its the people who didn't isolate and didn't distance who caused much of the second wave.
Its not going to be safe to move to business as usual until we have very significant numbers vaccinated, and infection rates well down on current figures - which isn't going to be till Spring . Until then its going to be continuing restrictions or more lockdowns if people ignore them. There may may be options to safely distance some shows, but the basic problems remain for most theatres - if you distance properly it won't pay, getting there is an avoidable risk , and the fundamentals of ventilation and distancing are far more important than masks, or pointlessly testing temperatures, or trying to spot the asymptomatic.
A few more months delay isn't going to matter to anyone much. Its not as if we have to shut everything down for 5 years - as we did the last time we had something killing fewer civilians horribly. And in this case, if people really want to take the bait, to see their favourite performer , there's a dvd anyway .
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 6:47:51 GMT
Your view. I'm off to the theatre tonight and getting on with living. By all means, choose to lock yourself in mentally and physically. It's a free world (well it was).
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Post by 141920grm on Dec 4, 2020 8:18:45 GMT
Ball and Boe have dropped out of the Thursday December 17th evening performance... Carpenter and Owen-Jones on instead... might see some returns come up! mm many groups of 4 seats returned in dress circle- those punters don't know what they're missing! |
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Post by johnie21 on Dec 4, 2020 9:10:15 GMT
Does anyone know if Carrie is missing any shows as I think Cinderella begins Rehearsals in Feb!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 10:09:17 GMT
Does anyone know if Carrie is missing any shows as I think Cinderella begins Rehearsals in Feb! She finishes 14th Feb according to the DMT blurb. |
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Post by johnie21 on Dec 4, 2020 17:28:47 GMT
Does anyone know if Carrie is missing any shows as I think Cinderella begins Rehearsals in Feb! She finishes 14th Feb according to the DMT blurb. Who takes over for her role. She’s amazing big fan of hers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 18:18:26 GMT
Crazy number of groups of 5 and 6 available - who is going to buy those? And they won't split them into smaller groups.
So £67.50 is the lowest price left for the single theatregoer. No thanks, I'll just watch the 10th anniversary or 25th anniversary concerts again instead!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 18:50:21 GMT
Crazy number of groups of 5 and 6 available - who is going to buy those? And they won't split them into smaller groups. So £67.50 is the lowest price left for the single theatregoer. No thanks, I'll just watch the 10th anniversary or 25th anniversary concerts again instead! So JCS at the Open Air had the same problem. They were usually split into a 2 and a 1 (or similar) 24-48hrs pre show, and then sold. Keep checking. |
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Post by properjob on Dec 4, 2020 19:29:46 GMT
Its not about fake bravery . its the nature of exponential growth which is a pretty simple basic mathematical concept to grasp. If you then stick people in confined spaces, in cramped seats for long periods, with terrible ventilation and forced airflows with the singing , you get superspreader events . And if you let the virus rip there soon won't be anyone but complete idiots going out at all when the R number gets near to 3 again , because the risk increases , and , as in America, Russia,Spain and Ital, you end up with no hospital beds left for people with covid or anything else wrong. And given the evidence of long covid causing lung damage , if i was a performer i wouldn't risk my singing career risking covid now when the vaccine is near unless it comes early with the job. If you're fearful, negative and pessimistic you might not. If you believe we are beating this thing then you'll get out and about, back to work and living life again. For the record, exponential growth requires a tipping point (one which the UK hasn't come close to) and we have already witnessed our upper limits, with a shorter/sharper second spike. For that reason, combined with vaccine availability, it is safe to gradually return to business as usual. You're welcome. A quick maths lesson to counter missinformation. If you start with I orginal instances of something and each item in turn produces on average k new instances of the same things after some time period T. After the first period you will have k time I new instances appear. After the second period you will k times k times I new instances or k squared times I new instances appear After the third peroid you will have k times k times k times I or k cubed times I new instances appear. After the nth peroid you will have k to the power n times I new instances appear. If k is bigger than 1 this is called expoential growth. Thats just maths of multiplying systems. This is true for neutrons in a chain reaction in a nuclear bomb where k is called k in the models. This is true for infections where k is referred to as R in the models. Because of the stastical nature of k for very low levels of the intial amount I it can peter out. This is true of infections and neutrons. However we are clearly above the level where you get sustained chains of infections. |
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Post by ceebee on Dec 4, 2020 21:05:02 GMT
If you're fearful, negative and pessimistic you might not. If you believe we are beating this thing then you'll get out and about, back to work and living life again. For the record, exponential growth requires a tipping point (one which the UK hasn't come close to) and we have already witnessed our upper limits, with a shorter/sharper second spike. For that reason, combined with vaccine availability, it is safe to gradually return to business as usual. You're welcome. A quick maths lesson to counter missinformation. If you start with I orginal instances of something and each item in turn produces on average k new instances of the same things after some time period T. After the first period you will have k time I new instances appear. After the second period you will k times k times I new instances or k squared times I new instances appear After the third peroid you will have k times k times k times I or k cubed times I new instances appear. After the nth peroid you will have k to the power n times I new instances appear. If k is bigger than 1 this is called expoential growth. Thats just maths of multiplying systems. This is true for neutrons in a chain reaction in a nuclear bomb where k is called k in the models. This is true for infections where k is referred to as R in the models. Because of the stastical nature of k for very low levels of the intial amount I it can peter out. This is true of infections and neutrons. However we are clearly above the level where you get sustained chains of infections. I think I'll stick to the insights of my data scientists, but thanks for the explanation. |
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Post by tsxmitw on Dec 4, 2020 21:29:28 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 4, 2020 21:56:18 GMT
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Post by fiyero on Dec 4, 2020 22:02:54 GMT
That looks further back than I remember from the Gielgud. Though I’ve only ever seen it from a distance! I’m just about over not seeing it in 2 weeks time, February will be epic. Thanks BurlyBear for steering the conversation back too. |
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Post by danb on Dec 4, 2020 22:06:18 GMT
No big lighting rig thingy then?
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Post by tsxmitw on Dec 4, 2020 22:10:53 GMT
Looks like it’s been stripped back yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:11:20 GMT
No big lighting rig thingy then? I think that's the interval and it's already raised. I saw another pic somewhere, and I'm sure it's there at the start of the show, as before. |
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Post by Figaro on Dec 4, 2020 22:13:47 GMT
No big lighting rig thingy then? It was there at the start and raised. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:23:51 GMT
That looks further back than I remember from the Gielgud. Though I’ve only ever seen it from a distance! I was thinking that. I guess Michael Ball's Javert's Suicide would be a covid safety hazard for the front row otherwise. |
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Post by 10642 on Dec 5, 2020 13:50:52 GMT
Now we know why they keep casting Mr Boe...
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Post by tsxmitw on Dec 5, 2020 22:14:37 GMT
Cam Mack’s speech at the start, Michael Ball’s at the end with the cast in tears
The applause at the start of the prologue
The ovation at the end of One Day More
The tears and sniffles around the theatre during the Epilogue
I will never forget that.
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Post by alece10 on Dec 5, 2020 22:26:06 GMT
Cam Mack’s speech at the start, Michael Ball’s at the end with the cast in tears The applause at the start of the prologue The ovation at the end of One Day More The tears and sniffles around the theatre during the Epilogue I will never forget that. I can imagine it was an emotional evening. I will be there next Saturday. Similar when I went to see Songs for a new world at the Palladium. It was the first major show since Covid and the atmosphere was amazing. |
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Post by tsxmitw on Dec 5, 2020 22:42:49 GMT
Cam Mack’s speech at the start, Michael Ball’s at the end with the cast in tears The applause at the start of the prologue The ovation at the end of One Day More The tears and sniffles around the theatre during the Epilogue I will never forget that. I can imagine it was an emotional evening. I will be there next Saturday. Similar when I went to see Songs for a new world at the Palladium. It was the first major show since Covid and the atmosphere was amazing. Enjoy. It’s a brilliant production. I never expected tonight to hit me on quite the way it did. The energy and emotion in the audience was off the scale. |
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