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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 7, 2017 17:26:54 GMT
Just for fun, and totally anonymous.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 7, 2017 17:31:13 GMT
Waits for people to jump in first
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jun 7, 2017 17:31:25 GMT
Socialist me
Vote early, vote long and vote often
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 19:00:33 GMT
Before I opened the thread I thought we might be voting for each other. "Vote for me, you zeroes! I will bleed you dry and sell your corpse for whatever I can get." This is basically the same policy as all the real parties, only with added honesty.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 7, 2017 19:04:50 GMT
More evenly balanced than I'd expected.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 7, 2017 22:15:00 GMT
Its interesting flicking between polls like this on other forums I use.
Football based ones on the whole lean much more to the right
Music festival based ones very much to the left.
This one on the whole seems most balanced yet I think in all those I've looked at the idea that Conservatives stay silent about their voting intentions far more than those supportive of other parties.
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 7, 2017 23:02:15 GMT
I really wish I, or someone, could put their finger on this whole divide between the younger generation (myself included) being so pro Labour (or Jeremy Corbyn) and their parents being staunch Conservatives. As much as I thought I'd be fine with it, tonight I was really struggling to come to terms with my parents decision that they will likely be voting Conservative, and I just don't know why. They're brilliant in that I can have totally reasonable political debates with them, and whilst I've been pretty vocal and passionate about Labour and Corbyn, I've seen nothing of the same kind in return from them in favour of Conservative other than things along the line of "well we've always voted Conservative" or "I just did what my parents used to do". They seem to have no rebuttal for their dislike of Labour other than blindly repeating phrases they've heard from different media outlets without any expansion or reason behind them and without anything further to add from their own minds. I am so worried that their motive to vote the way they most likely will do is being manipulated by things they read, see and hear. I can't get my head around why they are so opposed to policies which seem to make sense to me and all my peers. And not even that - so many high profile people who are my parents generation are also strongly campaigning for Labour. They talk about all the crap left behind by previous Labour governments but seem to miss the point entirely that Corbyn is trying to be a different kind of Labour leader and that there seems to be a clear and present reason why so many politicians - Conservative and Labour - are against him. Not to mention various owners and personnel of various different media outlets. It seems like the dangers that a Conservative government pose pale into insignificance because they either "don't like Corbyn" or because they're paying to have their minds made up for them by someone else.
So. There's my "political rant". But my question is still: I don't understand WHY I feel the way that I do. And WHY my parents feel the way they do. What is it??? All the above is written from my heart and from a place that only wants good for my future. But what is the reason?? Christ, you can tell its midnight. What a load of crap, eh!!
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Post by infofreako on Jun 7, 2017 23:32:13 GMT
Interesting to see your thoughts expressed like that. There is a very real disconnect between young and old in terms of voting patterns and its difficult to explain.
Corbyn has performed far better this campaign than many expected him to. Its probably not going to be enough as it doesn't seem to have been picked up by the older generations.
They still get their information from traditional sources where the younger get a lot of their information from social or newer forms of media. I'm still not convinced they place so much importance at getting out and voting yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:35:56 GMT
I really wish I, or someone, could put their finger on this whole divide between the younger generation (myself included) being so pro Labour (or Jeremy Corbyn) and their parents being staunch Conservatives. As much as I thought I'd be fine with it, tonight I was really struggling to come to terms with my parents decision that they will likely be voting Conservative, and I just don't know why. They're brilliant in that I can have totally reasonable political debates with them, and whilst I've been pretty vocal and passionate about Labour and Corbyn, I've seen nothing of the same kind in return from them in favour of Conservative other than things along the line of "well we've always voted Conservative" or "I just did what my parents used to do". They seem to have no rebuttal for their dislike of Labour other than blindly repeating phrases they've heard from different media outlets without any expansion or reason behind them and without anything further to add from their own minds. I am so worried that their motive to vote the way they most likely will do is being manipulated by things they read, see and hear. I can't get my head around why they are so opposed to policies which seem to make sense to me and all my peers. And not even that - so many high profile people who are my parents generation are also strongly campaigning for Labour. They talk about all the crap left behind by previous Labour governments but seem to miss the point entirely that Corbyn is trying to be a different kind of Labour leader and that there seems to be a clear and present reason why so many politicians - Conservative and Labour - are against him. Not to mention various owners and personnel of various different media outlets. It seems like the dangers that a Conservative government pose pale into insignificance because they either "don't like Corbyn" or because they're paying to have their minds made up for them by someone else. So. There's my "political rant". But my question is still: I don't understand WHY I feel the way that I do. And WHY my parents feel the way they do. What is it??? All the above is written from my heart and from a place that only wants good for my future. But what is the reason?? Christ, you can tell its midnight. What a load of crap, eh!! Because Labour is for people who want someone else to find a solution for them The younger generation have no aspirations To own homes or cars They want to spend £100 buying coffee and seeing Little Mix They manage to travel by Uber And have the latest iPhones Young people now want to run before they can walk This was not how the older generation were bought up I am under 35 All my friends vote Conservative Have done always We tend to solve our own problems Rather than expecting others to bail us out Or pay for us Or ask the state A conservative attitude Is to live within ones own means Many people in this country Think they haven't had opportunities Actually they did They just never used them Instead they had a good time And then regretted it afterwards Expecting those who did to bail them out And label it as inequality |
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 7, 2017 23:45:51 GMT
infofreako - very valid points. Especially on the importance of getting out a voting and social media. I'll watch one thing on the telly, and my computer (or, more precisely, those I follow who will probably share the same views I do) will tell me the exact opposite! And @parsley you also raise valid points. I can't deny that there are a proportion of my generation who may not vote tomorrow because they have selfishly not bothered or cared to do any of their own research. BUT. What about those of my generation who do aspire to own cars and homes, who do aspire to solve their own problems and who hate the need for others to bail them out, but all of these aspirations are made impossible by the greed of what seems to be a very small percentage of people who seem to have a lot of sway? What if all that those people with those aspirations want is actually just a fighting chance to make it on their own?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 23:48:27 GMT
infofreako - very valid points. Especially on the importance of getting out a voting and social media. I'll watch one thing on the telly, and my computer (or, more precisely, those I follow who will probably share the same views I do) will tell me the exact opposite! And @parsley you also raise valid points. I can't deny that there are a proportion of my generation who may not vote tomorrow because they have selfishly not bothered or cared to do any of their own research. BUT. What about those of my generation who do aspire to own cars and homes, who do aspire to solve their own problems and who hate the need for others to bail them out, but all of these aspirations are made impossible by the greed of what seems to be a very small percentage of people who seem to have a lot of sway? What if all that those people with those aspirations want is actually just a fighting chance to make it on their own? You have to work like a bitch nowadays I am sorry to say- it's the only way to manage I worked 70 hour weeks for a decade Did night locums Worked every weekend on top of my normal job for 5 years Even now my average week is 60 hours I refuse to be be punished by a Labour government For having this work ethic For choosing to help myself Yet people think it's okay to stand in the street drinking beer at the first sign of warm weather And then wonder why they are renting for life |
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Post by theatremadness on Jun 7, 2017 23:57:46 GMT
I hear you @parsley. I think I'm right in saying you're a doctor - do you not feel under threat from Conservative cuts? In what ways do you believe Labour would punish you for having the work ethic you do but not instead recognise, help and maybe even reward you (if that is even the right word) for doing so? I completely understand that hard work is part and parcel of life, are you opposed to proposed support or do you not believe that Labour can deliver what they are proposing? Which I totally get I must say because there are big, expensive claims in the Labour manifesto - but they all seem to point towards supporting the 'working person'. I don't know. I'm really thinking aloud here. And whilst I'm 99.9% sure of my voting instincts, I am still the type of person who will question all that I do if that 0.01% still remains.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:00:19 GMT
I hear you @parsley. I think I'm right in saying you're a doctor - do you not feel under threat from Conservative cuts? In what ways do you believe Labour would punish you for having the work ethic you do but not instead recognise, help and maybe even reward you (if that is even the right word) for doing so? I completely understand that hard work is part and parcel of life, are you opposed to proposed support or do you not believe that Labour can deliver what they are proposing? Which I totally get I must say because there are big, expensive claims in the Labour manifesto - but they all seem to point towards supporting the 'working person'. I don't know. I'm really thinking aloud here. And whilst I'm 99.9% sure of my voting instincts, I am still the type of person who will question all that I do if that 0.01% still remains. Errm A 40% tax band after 80k |
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 0:01:04 GMT
I hear you @parsley. I think I'm right in saying you're a doctor - do you not feel under threat from Conservative cuts? In what ways do you believe Labour would punish you for having the work ethic you do but not instead recognise, help and maybe even reward you (if that is even the right word) for doing so? I completely understand that hard work is part and parcel of life, are you opposed to proposed support or do you not believe that Labour can deliver what they are proposing? Which I totally get I must say because there are big, expensive claims in the Labour manifesto - but they all seem to point towards supporting the 'working person'. I don't know. I'm really thinking aloud here. And whilst I'm 99.9% sure of my voting instincts, I am still the type of person who will question all that I do if that 0.01% still remains. Errm A 40% tax band after 80k Seeing it as a punishment is just a mindset. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:02:47 GMT
I don't believe the NHS
Is sustainable
For much longer
And I think it wastes obscene amounts of money
And is misused and abused
It needs to be run as a business
And be financially accountable
I don't believe throwing more money at it is the answer
Patients need to be made aware of rationing
And decide what they want to go without
Ideally
The NHS should be removed from the government
I don't trust others with my money
So would rather keep it
And make my own arrangements
I want a government that doesn't meddle or tip the balance
I don't want anything from the state
So don't want them taking endlessly from me
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:03:42 GMT
Errm A 40% tax band after 80k Seeing it as a punishment is just a mindset. I would leave the UK The day after Were it to happen As would many many many people I know Doctors are working people Most juniors will Never afford a property anywhere near Zone 1/2/3/ In their lifetime Labour like punishing the middle class Who keep the UK afloat And often have the most financial commitments |
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 0:07:02 GMT
Seeing it as a punishment is just a mindset. I would leave the UK The day after Were it to happen As would many many many people I know Such an easy thing to say. People on all sides say that sort of thing and very rarely follow through. Anyway, we won't find out whether you're true to you word any time soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:08:38 GMT
I would leave the UK The day after Were it to happen As would many many many people I know Such an easy thing to say. People on all sides say that sort of thing and very rarely follow through. Anyway, we won't find out whether you're true to you word any time soon. Trust me Most of my friends have things set up overseas Property family Etc We don't expect or want the governments help |
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 0:09:15 GMT
Such an easy thing to say. People on all sides say that sort of thing and very rarely follow through. Anyway, we won't find out whether you're true to you word any time soon. Trust me Most of my friends have things set up overseas Property family Etc We don't expect or want the governments help Show me where I said you did? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:11:50 GMT
Trust me Most of my friends have things set up overseas Property family Etc We don't expect or want the governments help Show me where I said you did? Are they your real shoes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 0:15:10 GMT
Boots!
I like them
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 0:16:30 GMT
Show me where I said you did? Are they your real shoes? Yep. |
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Post by infofreako on Jun 8, 2017 0:16:53 GMT
I would leave the UK The day after Were it to happen As would many many many people I know Such an easy thing to say. People on all sides say that sort of thing and very rarely follow through. Anyway, we won't find out whether you're true to you word any time soon. The last polls certainly suggest that is the case |
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Post by d'James on Jun 8, 2017 0:17:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 1:10:48 GMT
Until recently the divide between young and old in voting was stable, around 10 to 15% more conservative for older versus younger voters (roughly under thirty versus over sixty five). The gap was well beyond that in 2015 and looks likely to be much larger this time. This is becoming a massive, and entirely predictable, problem and likely to get worse over the next decade or so.
It is nothing to do with policies but everything to do with an older generation who, because of their numbers, have been able to control society to their benefit (and I say that as someone coming in at the tail end of the generation that benefitted from free tuition and educational grants, being able to afford a house, having a job market where they could guarantee a decent job fitting their abilities etc.etc.) I teach in the independent sector, where you would think that this would be unimportant but it's as important to these students as those who you might think are traditional labour voters.
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