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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 23:23:46 GMT
Ariana is absolutely a class act. The kids are lucky to have her. If she's good enough for JRB she's good enough for anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 23:25:39 GMT
Manchester was my home once. Have really wanted to get back since last week.
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Post by dizzieblonde on May 31, 2017 12:31:24 GMT
I'm afraid it makes me more than a little uncomfortable that some of the victims' families aren't on board with the idea of this concert. Surely allowing a little time to pass and giving people space to grieve would have shown more sensitivity? A benefit concert could have been held 6 months to a year down the line, no? I have to say I agree with this - a concert taking place, when most of the funerals haven't even happened, that just feels like the wrong way round to me. Yes, of course, let's celebrate the resilience of Manchester, and the fans of Ariana etc, but allow just a little more passage of time than not even 2 weeks after 22 people died. The fact is, the police are in the middle of a fully active investigation, with multiple suspects still in custody, and we're asking GMP to deploy significant resources to police a concert at the same time. This isn't like the Great Manchester Run, which was always scheduled to happen, and did - just with a higher security presence. This is a brand new event, requiring new resources to enable it to happen. The fact that there are families who don't want this to happen speaks volumes for the fact that this is just too soon. I have friends and acquaintances who were either at the gig, or were involved in the aftermath. I know already that the young girls in my family, who attended the original gig, are not going back to the benefit concert, despite being offered free tickets. For a couple of them, they are too shaken to consider dealing with a 50,000 capacity crowd, as well as the heightened emotions of the event - my goddaughter especially is having a terrible time - in the midst of what should be her AS level exams (one godsend is that the government fiddling with A-levels means that none of her marks will contribute to her A-level exams next year). For one very young girl I know, who's a close friend of my young nephew, her family will not even consider allowing her to go to another concert - she is 9 years old and was taken to the Ariana concert, as her very first gig experience, by her teenage brother, and they just can't cope with the idea of her (or him) returning to a concert environment right now. For all that it's a very noble idea and cause, I can't help but wonder about the potentially slightly cynical nature of a concert promoter who may be thinking they need to 'capitalise' on the recentness of the incident, before it fades from people's memories and becomes a less 'immediate' venture. 3-6 months may have been an appropriate time length for there to have been immediate healing, before celebrating the spirit of resilience, but would there have been as much public appetite for the gig - or the willingness of major stars to take part? I'm just feeling cynical, and sad, right now.
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Post by dizzieblonde on May 31, 2017 12:34:15 GMT
Manchester was my home once. Have really wanted to get back since last week. I went to the Great Manchester Run at the weekend - my nephew was taking part in the 'mini run' part of the day - and we all went to St Ann's Square afterwards. Very moving and actually, unexpectedly, healing. I thought it would all just be too sad (and it was) but also incredibly uplifting to see Manchester at its best, at the same time.
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Post by infofreako on May 31, 2017 13:23:34 GMT
I understand all the comments about it being too soon but in some respects the coming together of Manchester to stand against this threat has been a great example of good coming from bad and shining through.
In terms of policing of a new event and the resources required there will be significant resources taken up in the Old Trafford area for an event that has moved its start time to allow this concert to go ahead. That event has ticket sales currently around the 65000 mark so the policing plan was already in place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 10:03:48 GMT
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Post by infofreako on Jun 2, 2017 11:09:05 GMT
I fully agree with all of that. I fear you will now not allow me to attend though. Had tickets for original show, still have them as never sold them on so believe my application to be legitimate. Your thoughts?
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Post by infofreako on Jun 2, 2017 11:48:37 GMT
No, you are a legitimate ticket holder, infofreako. You have tickets, and if you wanted to exchange them for that special show, that's your prerogative. Also your pure luck not to have been there. It's the scum who never had them in the first place that are the problem. Indeed. It sickens me the people trying to exploit this. I cant stand the resale sites, particularly for the number of tickets for big events that never reach the primary market. The main agencies like ticketmaster make a fortune anyway then siphon off the best tickets to sell above face value through the secondary sites
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Post by infofreako on Jun 2, 2017 20:33:39 GMT
Up to 80000 people evacuated from a festival in Germany this evening due to a concrete threat received by authorities. Sad that any threat appears to be targeting the entertainment industry as we enter the festival season here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 6:31:55 GMT
We do not see these Western attacks being carried out by fundamentalists from any other religion It is always young males affiliated with Islam Not Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist There is a problem Any chance you'd like to revisit this statement this morning?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 9:30:39 GMT
We do not see these Western attacks being carried out by fundamentalists from any other religion It is always young males affiliated with Islam Not Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist There is a problem Any chance you'd like to revisit this statement this morning? He prob doesn't have to as they have not released the religion of whomever did this yet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 9:31:45 GMT
Any chance you'd like to revisit this statement this morning? He prob doesn't have to as they have not released the religion of whomever did this yet Given the driver was shouting "I want to kill muslims", we can take a good guess at his motivation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 9:32:55 GMT
He prob doesn't have to as they have not released the religion of whomever did this yet Given the driver was shouting "I want to kill muslims", we can take a good guess at his motivation. ??! So what religion was the person then?
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Post by infofreako on Jun 19, 2017 9:33:44 GMT
He prob doesn't have to as they have not released the religion of whomever did this yet Given the driver was shouting "I want to kill muslims", we can take a good guess at his motivation. Maybe a guess at his motivation but not sure we can assume his religion from that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 9:40:09 GMT
Parsley basically stated that all terrorists are Muslims (or at least, the ones recently active in Western countries). The Finsbury Park attacker targeted Muslims, has been reported as shouting that all Muslims should be killed, and as a white person is mathematically unlikely to be Muslim himself. It really doesn't matter what religious affiliation he *has*, if any, the mere fact of his most likely not being Muslim is enough in itself to contradict Parsley's flat-out offensive statement. It's taking nitpicking to an absurd degree to try arguing against that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 9:50:04 GMT
Parsley basically stated that all terrorists are Muslims (or at least, the ones recently active in Western countries). The Finsbury Park attacker targeted Muslims, has been reported as shouting that all Muslims should be killed, and as a white person is mathematically unlikely to be Muslim himself. It really doesn't matter what religious affiliation he *has*, if any, the mere fact of his most likely not being Muslim is enough in itself to contradict Parsley's flat-out offensive statement. It's taking nitpicking to an absurd degree to try arguing against that. You appear to have saved me some time there.
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Post by infofreako on Jun 19, 2017 9:58:25 GMT
I was responding solely to the post i quoted. I hadnt linked it at all to parsleys post. Wasnt trying to nitpick at all, just making an observation. Sorry if it came across as nitpicking Im insulted at the insinuation that I was arguing against anything of the sort.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 10:02:30 GMT
I was responding solely to the post i quoted. I hadnt linked it at all to parsleys post. Wasnt trying to nitpick at all, just making an observation. Sorry if it came across as nitpicking Im insulted at the insinuation that I was arguing against anything of the sort. Apologies if I've come over as harsh, I promise you are not the person who has come over as needlessly nitpicking in this thread. You've been entirely reasonable and factual.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 10:05:15 GMT
I was responding solely to the post i quoted. I hadnt linked it at all to parsleys post. Wasnt trying to nitpick at all, just making an observation. Sorry if it came across as nitpicking Im insulted at the insinuation that I was arguing against anything of the sort. Apologies if I've come over as harsh, I promise you are not the person who has come over as needlessly nitpicking in this thread. You've been entirely reasonable and factual. You can't say nitpicking anymore. Look it up
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 12:07:29 GMT
You can't say nitpicking anymore. Look it up You can't say "Look it up" anymore. All posts should be totally comprehensible at first reading. (See the Common thread).
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 7:55:35 GMT
One year on, it is time to remember the victims, consols the bereved and injured, and honours the courage of those who assisted. agree
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