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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 19:29:39 GMT
Great to see it's happening for Broadway! Reidel's last post on the show was about it potentially heading to the 1080-seater Schoenfield this season (a risk as the theatre is too small for it), or waiting for a year or so for the 1424-seater Al Hirschfield, so I guess the 1222-seater August Wilson is somewhat of a compromise (and it gets in this season too - Oliviers AND Tonys in the same year *fingers crossed*!). I guess there was a silver lining for Jersey Boys closing!
Hopefully a West End production will happen too, even if it is without the fantastic Andy Karl. I feel lucky to have seen him at the Old Vic. I wonder who'd they cast if they bought it back over?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 19:35:50 GMT
Anyone heard whether they are to be part of the focus groups yet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 19:41:52 GMT
Ooooo how exciting! Its gonna be great to see Andy no doubt get his third Tony nomination for his performance in the show!  |
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Post by Michael on Sept 13, 2016 19:45:08 GMT
Hopefully a West End production will happen too, even if it is without the fantastic Andy Karl. I feel lucky to have seen him at the Old Vic. I wonder who'd they cast if they bought it back over? How about Simon Bailey? And I'd love to see Ashleigh Gray being cast as Rita. |
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Post by HereForTheatre on Sept 13, 2016 19:57:21 GMT
Can someone please remind me of the closing number of act 1? What the song was called and the scenario?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:15:22 GMT
Can someone please remind me of the closing number of act 1? What the song was called and the scenario? {Spoiler - click to view}
The end of act one comes after Phil's failed dates with Rita and the point where he starts to become bored and tired of living in Groundhog Day so it sets up for his suicide attempts at the start of act one. I can't really remember the song if I'm honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 21:16:04 GMT
Anyone heard whether they are to be part of the focus groups yet? I wondered this also. I am yet to hear back. |
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Post by Flim Flam on Sept 13, 2016 21:26:18 GMT
They phoned me today and asked my age. The woman explained that they were looking for people of certain ages for particular groups, but had omitted to ask people this information initially. As it was I was the wrong age, so didn't get in. So it seems that they are still in the process of filling the groups.
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 13, 2016 22:08:38 GMT
Best of luck to it, I don't think it will be quite as well received in NYC as it has been in London but it should do well enough to stay open for a while. It got a flat out rave from Ben Brantley of the New York Times, so the most important one in the bag, that review took the show to New York, otherwise it would be dead in the water. There will be changes to the score for New York, as this didn't get best received. |
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 13, 2016 22:09:55 GMT
Anyone heard whether they are to be part of the focus groups yet? I wondered this also. I am yet to hear back. Oddly enough, I have just participated in a focus group for Specsavers. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 13, 2016 22:19:12 GMT
Can someone please remind me of the closing number of act 1? What the song was called and the scenario? {Spoiler - click to view}It's after Phil's multiple attempts at the perfect date with Rita ends once again in disaster. She's been singing about different aspects of her personality and who she finds attractive.
This morphs into him asking why a day he spent with a woman he can't remember the name of (Joelle if I recall correctly) can't be the day he repeats, where they eat too much paté. The cast sing about their "One Day" and all the problems they face that they hope will be fixed one day (the woman who can't sing, Nancy dating older men etc). It all mixes together and builds to "Tomorrow, there will be sun. But if not tomorrow, perhaps the day aaaaaah" when Phil wakes up and it's Groundhog Day again. He smashes his clock in a rage and the stage goes red before fading out." The more I read this thread the more I find myself planning my Thursday around being free to buy tickets at 12 for one last go. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 22:49:09 GMT
Best of luck to it, I don't think it will be quite as well received in NYC as it has been in London but it should do well enough to stay open for a while. It got a flat out rave from Ben Brantley of the New York Times, so the most important one in the bag, that review took the show to New York, otherwise it would be dead in the water. There will be changes to the score for New York, as this didn't get best received. Yep but reviews really don't effect how well shows do in New York. The only thing that seems to be able to make something a success if it wasn't from the get-go is winning that Best Musical Tony, which I'm not convinced this can do. |
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Post by Jon on Sept 13, 2016 23:58:40 GMT
I wonder if the deal was already in place when Jersey Boys announced it was closing or if the producers acted quickly to secure it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 1:27:58 GMT
It seems, from a glance, the biggest competition for the show would be Dear Evan Hansen. Particularly with Andy Karl in Best Actor, who will very likely be up against Ben Platt for the Tony. Some are predicting Ben to be the winner ultimately and he has been nominated for the Drama League and Outer Critics' and won neither and the Drama Desk didn't even nominate him so I wouldn't say he is a surefire winner just yet. And Andy is very popular with the awards in America, having already received the following nominations:
Astaire Awards
2014 - Outstanding Male Dancer in a Broadway Show (Rocky)
Drama Desk Award
2015 - Outstanding Featured Actor in a Musical (On the Twentieth Century)
2014 - Outstanding Actor in a Musical (Rocky)
2013 - Outstanding Featured Actor in a Musical (The Mystery of Edwin Drood)
Drama League
2015 - Distinguished Performance (On the Twentieth Century)
Outer Critics Circle Award
2015 - Outstanding Featured Actor in a Musical (On the Twentieth Century)
2014 - Outstanding Actor in a Musical (Rocky)
Tony Award
2015 - Best Featured Actor in a Musical (On the Twentieth Century)
2014 - Best Actor in a Musical (Rocky)
So I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him nominated at all the awards (bar the Astaire awards as it is not that dance heavy a role however it is very physical so it could do a Curious Incident or School of Rock and get nominated) and even see him win a couple of them along the way. It is a great role and he nails it after all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 1:39:30 GMT
I love Ben Platt! I really want him to play Elder Cunningham in London. Seeing him would be another dream come true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 2:15:30 GMT
It seems, from a glance, the biggest competition for the show would be Dear Evan Hansen. Particularly with Andy Karl in Best Actor, who will very likely be up against Ben Platt for the Tony. Some are predicting Ben to be the winner ultimately and he has been nominated for the Drama League and Outer Critics' and won neither and the Drama Desk didn't even nominate him so I wouldn't say he is a surefire winner just yet.
Whilst I appreciate and understand what you're saying, it has to be put in the context of the competition and who he lost to. DRAMA LEAGUELin-Manuel Miranda, Hamilton - Enough said. These awards are also almost always given to Broadway contenders, rather than off-Broadway. For instance, Hamilton was nominated for both its off-Broadway production and its Broadway production and lost its 3 nominations the first year, yet won 2 the second year.
OUTER CRITICS
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - 6 time Tony nominee and they knew he wouldn't be getting the Tony. A nice consolation prize with Hamilton out of the way that had been eligible the year before. DRAMA DESK
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - As above. It's ridiculous that Ben wasn't nominated, but neither was Kelli O'Hara for The King and I and we all know what happened there.
Historically, none of these awards have been good predictors for what will win Tonys. As a quick example, last years Best Actor in a Musical Tony winner Leslie Odom Jr. was only nominated for the Drama Desk out of the 3 and didn't even win it. Andy Karl will absolutely get a Tony nomination and may well win the awards that Ben Platt will no longer be eligible for. However, as much as I think he gave a 5* performance, it is a mostly comedic role. Ben Platt is dealing with a role that tackles mental health, teen suicide etc. Usually in award shows, an emotional performance trumps a comedic one (even though Karl's role has elements of the emotional and vice versa for Ben Platt). As for other competition, you also have the raved about Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 for Best Musical and who knows what kind of performance Josh Groban will be giving? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 2:35:15 GMT
It seems, from a glance, the biggest competition for the show would be Dear Evan Hansen. Particularly with Andy Karl in Best Actor, who will very likely be up against Ben Platt for the Tony. Some are predicting Ben to be the winner ultimately and he has been nominated for the Drama League and Outer Critics' and won neither and the Drama Desk didn't even nominate him so I wouldn't say he is a surefire winner just yet.
Whilst I appreciate and understand what you're saying, it has to be put in the context of the competition and who he lost to. DRAMA LEAGUELin-Manuel Miranda, Hamilton - Enough said. These awards are also almost always given to Broadway contenders, rather than off-Broadway. For instance, Hamilton was nominated for both its off-Broadway production and its Broadway production and lost its 3 nominations the first year, yet won 2 the second year.
OUTER CRITICS
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - 6 time Tony nominee and they knew he wouldn't be getting the Tony. A nice consolation prize with Hamilton out of the way that had been eligible the year before. DRAMA DESK
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - As above. It's ridiculous that Ben wasn't nominated, but neither was Kelli O'Hara for The King and I and we all know what happened there.
Historically, none of these awards have been good predictors for what will win Tonys. As a quick example, last years Best Actor in a Musical Tony winner Leslie Odom Jr. was only nominated for the Drama Desk out of the 3 and didn't even win it. Andy Karl will absolutely get a Tony nomination and may well win the awards that Ben Platt will no longer be eligible for. However, as much as I think he gave a 5* performance, it is a mostly comedic role. Ben Platt is dealing with a role that tackles mental health, teen suicide etc. Usually in award shows, an emotional performance trumps a comedic one (even though Karl's role has elements of the emotional and vice versa for Ben Platt). As for other competition, you also have the raved about Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 for Best Musical and who knows what kind of performance Josh Groban will be giving? I agree it will completely be based on whether they go for the value of comedy or they go for the value of emotion. It will certainly be interesting to see, and I do think that Ben will ultimately be the winner of the Tony based on the amount of incredible things I have read or seen and maybe he is the more deserving of the two anyway? We shall definitely see.
Also sidenote as it is mentioned (rant for a sec) I think it was totally ridiculous that Lin won the Drama League Award. Ok, not that he won it as if anyone deserved it was him or Cynthia Erivo but the thing that annoyed me was he got nominated the year before along with two other nominations. The show shouldn't of been nominated for the Broadway run when it had already been nominated. It wasn't fair and seemed a blatant excuse just to jump on this Hamilton bandwagon that everyone seemed to be on throughout award season. Lin and the production should of won in 2015 and then something else should of won this year. Obviously Lin and the people at Hamilton can't help that so that isn't a rant at them, it is more a rant at the Drama League haha.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 3:01:51 GMT
Whilst I appreciate and understand what you're saying, it has to be put in the context of the competition and who he lost to. DRAMA LEAGUELin-Manuel Miranda, Hamilton - Enough said. These awards are also almost always given to Broadway contenders, rather than off-Broadway. For instance, Hamilton was nominated for both its off-Broadway production and its Broadway production and lost its 3 nominations the first year, yet won 2 the second year.
OUTER CRITICS
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - 6 time Tony nominee and they knew he wouldn't be getting the Tony. A nice consolation prize with Hamilton out of the way that had been eligible the year before. DRAMA DESK
Danny Burstein, Fiddler on the Roof - As above. It's ridiculous that Ben wasn't nominated, but neither was Kelli O'Hara for The King and I and we all know what happened there.
Historically, none of these awards have been good predictors for what will win Tonys. As a quick example, last years Best Actor in a Musical Tony winner Leslie Odom Jr. was only nominated for the Drama Desk out of the 3 and didn't even win it. Andy Karl will absolutely get a Tony nomination and may well win the awards that Ben Platt will no longer be eligible for. However, as much as I think he gave a 5* performance, it is a mostly comedic role. Ben Platt is dealing with a role that tackles mental health, teen suicide etc. Usually in award shows, an emotional performance trumps a comedic one (even though Karl's role has elements of the emotional and vice versa for Ben Platt). As for other competition, you also have the raved about Natasha, Pierre & the Great Comet of 1812 for Best Musical and who knows what kind of performance Josh Groban will be giving? Also sidenote as it is mentioned (rant for a sec) I think it was totally ridiculous that Lin won the Drama League Award. Ok, not that he won it as if anyone deserved it was him or Cynthia Erivo but the thing that annoyed me was he got nominated the year before along with two other nominations. The show shouldn't of been nominated for the Broadway run when it had already been nominated. It wasn't fair and seemed a blatant excuse just to jump on this Hamilton bandwagon that everyone seemed to be on throughout award season. Lin and the production should of won in 2015 and then something else should of won this year. Obviously Lin and the people at Hamilton can't help that so that isn't a rant at them, it is more a rant at the Drama League haha.
I agree, it seems pointless to include off-Broadway nominations if they (almost) never award them. When you look at what Hamilton lost to the year before - An American in Paris - it seems that the only reason it did lose is because the show wasn't on Broadway yet. (I think pretty much everyone except Hamilton haters thinks it's a better show than AAIP). I doubt this was the first time it happened but to be honest these award shows seem like a hot mess in general in terms of who gets nominated and often who gets awarded. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 3:22:28 GMT
Also sidenote as it is mentioned (rant for a sec) I think it was totally ridiculous that Lin won the Drama League Award. Ok, not that he won it as if anyone deserved it was him or Cynthia Erivo but the thing that annoyed me was he got nominated the year before along with two other nominations. The show shouldn't of been nominated for the Broadway run when it had already been nominated. It wasn't fair and seemed a blatant excuse just to jump on this Hamilton bandwagon that everyone seemed to be on throughout award season. Lin and the production should of won in 2015 and then something else should of won this year. Obviously Lin and the people at Hamilton can't help that so that isn't a rant at them, it is more a rant at the Drama League haha.
I agree, it seems pointless to include off-Broadway nominations if they (almost) never award them. When you look at what Hamilton lost to the year before - An American in Paris - it seems that the only reason it did lose is because the show wasn't on Broadway yet. (I think pretty much everyone except Hamilton haters thinks it's a better show than AAIP). I doubt this was the first time it happened but to be honest these award shows seem like a hot mess in general in terms of who gets nominated and often who gets awarded. I'm so glad you agree. I read back and thought "sh*t, I sound like a psycho" just going on a rant about an award show haha.  |
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Post by forgetmenot on Sept 14, 2016 6:34:39 GMT
I've only read the past dozen or so pages of the thread but thanks to everyone for convincing me that my little tale of woe should have a happy ending: I had a great ticket for the very first preview of GD but I had to return it because my house move got rescheduled for that day. I then made plans to attend the next week but one of my cats went missing from my old house on the day of the move so my train tickets went to waste. I haven't had the opportunity to get up to London since, but reading all these raves and knowing this is my last chance to see the show at the Old Vic, I have booked a seat on the overnight 'milk train' from the West Country on Saturday and I will be in the day seat queue from stupid o'clock. I'm stupidly excited too! I just hope I can sleep on the train and don't start snoozing during the show. I've never day seated at the Old Vic before - anyone know what time the cafe opens so you can collect the numbered day seat vouchers? TIA! |
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Post by charliec on Sept 14, 2016 7:36:42 GMT
I've only read the past dozen or so pages of the thread but thanks to everyone for convincing me that my little tale of woe should have a happy ending: I had a great ticket for the very first preview of GD but I had to return it because my house move got rescheduled for that day. I then made plans to attend the next week but one of my cats went missing from my old house on the day of the move so my train tickets went to waste. I haven't had the opportunity to get up to London since, but reading all these raves and knowing this is my last chance to see the show at the Old Vic, I have booked a seat on the overnight 'milk train' from the West Country on Saturday and I will be in the day seat queue from stupid o'clock. I'm stupidly excited too! I just hope I can sleep on the train and don't start snoozing during the show. I've never day seated at the Old Vic before - anyone know what time the cafe opens so you can collect the numbered day seat vouchers? TIA! I think the cafe opens later on Saturdays (9 or 10) so you'll mainly be queueing outside the front of the theatre I think! Good luck!!! |
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Post by andrew on Sept 14, 2016 7:51:06 GMT
The cafe opens at 10 with the box office on Saturday so not much help!
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Post by HereForTheatre on Sept 14, 2016 7:57:44 GMT
I really liked the score, I honestly thought the score was beautiful. I didn't expect it after some of the comments. It's a great sounding show and I loved the harmonies. When the ensemble were all singing it sounded stunning to me. At the time I think I remember having the opinion that the first act was better than the second and I do think I still believe that but the second act delves into the emotions more and does make you feel a lot more that the first. There are some beatuful moments. So glad I went.
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Post by jampot on Sept 14, 2016 9:04:19 GMT
Second visit really sent home how good the score is...just that little familiarity make all the difference. ..
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Post by londonmzfitz on Sept 14, 2016 9:27:39 GMT
I've only read the past dozen or so pages of the thread but thanks to everyone for convincing me that my little tale of woe should have a happy ending: I had a great ticket for the very first preview of GD but I had to return it because my house move got rescheduled for that day. I then made plans to attend the next week but one of my cats went missing from my old house on the day of the move so my train tickets went to waste. I haven't had the opportunity to get up to London since, but reading all these raves and knowing this is my last chance to see the show at the Old Vic, I have booked a seat on the overnight 'milk train' from the West Country on Saturday and I will be in the day seat queue from stupid o'clock. I'm stupidly excited too! I just hope I can sleep on the train and don't start snoozing during the show. I've never day seated at the Old Vic before - anyone know what time the cafe opens so you can collect the numbered day seat vouchers? TIA!  |
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