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Post by Michael on Aug 21, 2016 13:10:58 GMT
I do. I really like Phil Connors (yes, seriously). I can't see why anyone couldn't like him. Because the character basically uses every day he is given to try and get Rita into bed? Well, he doesn't. Don't forget the many days where he commits suicide, learns to play piano, has a drink with the two guys in the bar, tries to rescue the old homeless man, ... Actually, Phil is a sad and lonesome loser caught in this TV job and tries to hide his unhappiness behind his sarcasm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 13:22:06 GMT
3* in Guardian on Sunday
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 13:32:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 13:39:30 GMT
Judging by the audience reactions, it's the other way around - most people respond very positively to it, those who don't are in the minority. It's always disappointing when you dislike a show you wanted to enjoy, but a bit harsh to hope it flops. Particularly when it's a limited run - it's not like it's going to be blocking new work coming in, it hasn't even announced a West End transfer. Yes, there was a big positive response from many of the audience when I saw it too, but my point is that there would have been a lot of committed theatregoers seeing it up to now, and not too many of the general Westy Endy theatregoing audience who would need to be on board to sustain a long run. And I deliberately said that I hoped a UK transfer flopped (because I don't think the show is of much appeal to a general audience). I didn't hope that this limited trial run flops. Nor did I hope that a Broadway transfer would flop (I have no way of gauging the show's Broadway appeal, which might be quite strong because it was its strong american flavour and the Broadway pizzazz of Andy Karl which both contributed to my disliking it).
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Post by kathryn on Aug 21, 2016 17:43:05 GMT
I think you're wrong, and the West End audience are more likely to enjoy it than the Old Vic regulars and dedicated theatre buffs who saw it during previews.
Non-regular theatregoers on an annual treat of a night out are looking for a good time and tend to be less critical than regular theatregoers. They're less likely to be comparing it to Matilda, and more likely to respond well to the comedy and uplifting romantic ending.
Audiences are likely to be drawn in by the mix of name recognition, the very strong reviews, and the very positive word of mouth. I know it's far from the only film-to-stage adaptation we've had but it's by far the best that I've seen.
As for its American-ness, well, it's not like it put people off Book of Mormon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 18:38:55 GMT
The more 'Americanized' shows in the West End the better for me.
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Post by jampot on Aug 21, 2016 19:47:56 GMT
The more 'Americanized' shows in the West End the better for me. Always going to get a diff of opinion about productions.Thats healthy. We can't all be the same. As a newbie here,it amazes me how some people pick out things as bad parts that I loved in a show etc.I suppose its a bit like wine or art. So personal etc. I saw the show 3 times. First time I wasnt familiar with the music and it didnt grab me. To be expected. Loved the show however.. How one time watchers expect each song to fit in and have them toe tapping along on a first visit is beyond me. My second visit musicaly was a revelation and the songs were perfect...No improvement than before but I knew them... Simples...When I buy a cd by a fav artist its rare that I am blown away on a first listen...A few listens later and bang! This is one of the best productions ive seen in a long time. I admit Im a novice on these boards. Maybe need my wings clipped and be a bit more cyinical. I hope this runs and runs. It was full of snow but melted my heart. The sex is in the hog....
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Post by anthony40 on Aug 21, 2016 19:57:10 GMT
The more 'Americanized' shows in the West End the better for me. The sex is in the hog.... Very clever
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Post by Michael on Aug 22, 2016 11:35:31 GMT
it's the outer 8 in row C that have less legroom, the middle gets more due to the curve. I was in C20 (right in the centre) and found the leg room to be very limited - and I'm only 5'10. Thanks for the warning that the outer seats have even less.
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Post by dippy on Aug 22, 2016 11:43:57 GMT
Whereas I'm short (about 1.60m) and had more than enough space sitting in C26.
I'm very glad I went back on Wednesday since multiple performances this week are now sold out and the cheapest seat I could see was over £50 so no cheap seats going online at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 12:24:26 GMT
Loved the set-pieces and that magic trick (won't spoiler it, but the illusion was far superior to anything Potter has), some of the humour and Nancy's song - though that could go later in the show, perhaps.
Unlike with Potter, though, I could see how that trick had to be done. Well, put it this way, I noticed someone was without something and then when something else unexpected happened next, and then the 'gasp moment' happened, I realised. Whether the same thing happened the next time I couldn't say. (A bit like Penn and Teller often find on 'Fool Us' - "I know how you must have done it, I just didn't see it actually happen...") Again, without giving spoilers away... admittedly, with Potter I was seated in the dress circle, which definitely seems to help with the magic. A couple of times I saw how things were done there too. But let's be fair, those actors have way more tricks to negotiate than one or two in Groundhog... And that telephone booth thing still has me stumped!
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Post by dippy on Aug 22, 2016 12:34:31 GMT
Unlike with Potter, though, I could see how that trick had to be done. Well, put it this way, I noticed someone was without something and then when something else unexpected happened next, and then the 'gasp moment' happened, I realised. Whether the same thing happened the next time I couldn't say. You make it sound so mysterious! But I agree they were well done, easy to see how if you were looking at the right place at the right time though. The second time the most easy to see happening, the last the best! Assuming we're talking about the same thing, something that happens a total of 3 times?
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Post by alison on Aug 22, 2016 12:51:58 GMT
Can someone put me out of my misery as to what the big illusion everyone is talking about is please? I honestly can't remember and it's driving me nuts.
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Post by d'James on Aug 22, 2016 12:57:02 GMT
Put in spoiler tags please.
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Post by alison on Aug 22, 2016 13:04:33 GMT
Oh heck, yes, I didn't mean post it openly on here - either spoiler tags or PM me, I wasn't meaning spoiling anyone else. It's just been frustrating me for several days now, I really can't figure out what it is.
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Post by dippy on Aug 22, 2016 13:08:42 GMT
I assume this is what we're talking about {Spoiler - click to view} Phil reappearing in his bed when he's just been on stage elsewhere.
The first time is when he's been handcuffed and led away by the policeman. The second when he puts the Groundhog head on and the final time when he's in the shower.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:09:46 GMT
Am I right, dippy...?
{Spoiler - click to view} When several times Phil appears to be in one place but then pops up somewhere else he couldn't possibly be, without the aid of a good illusionist...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:12:03 GMT
Darn it, I do struggle with the spoiler function on this new board. Sorry. I seem to end up with absolutely everything inside the tag, even though (to my knowledge) I didn't apply it there. It was easier for this old fogey just to do the raw HTML!
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Post by d'James on Aug 22, 2016 13:15:49 GMT
Still better than me @jeanhunt. I don't have a clue how to do them, although I ask people to use them. Haha. I just have to avoid saying anything spoilerish.
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Post by alison on Aug 22, 2016 13:19:00 GMT
Thanks dippy and jeanhunt!
Interesting how we all see things differently - I found that particular instance to be very effective, but not something to get overly excited about (tbh, I was more impressed by the similar trick in Harry Potter). Or maybe I'm just a cynic and difficult to impress (which is entirely possible!)
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Post by jampot on Aug 22, 2016 13:20:58 GMT
Still better than me @jeanhunt. I don't have a clue how to do them, although I ask people to use them. Haha. I just have to avoid saying anything spoilerish. I am yet to learn. Is there a tutorial somewhere?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 13:48:37 GMT
I don't know how it's done and I don't want to know! I thought it was a simply smashing moment myself.
I hope I never get to the point where something like that doesn't thrill me or impress me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:01:07 GMT
That's the thing about illusions, though - done well, even if you know how they're done (check out Penn and Teller demonstrating the cups and balls trick, or Teller doing the one using a cigarette), they're still hugely impressive.
I wouldn't criticise any stage actor for failing to pull off a trick with the aplomb of a professional magician. Those guys practise for years to make it look seamless! If a stage actor gets halfway close with a month or two prep, they're doing well I reckon!
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Post by partytentdown on Aug 22, 2016 14:01:31 GMT
any ways left of nabbing a cheapo ticket for this?
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Post by dippy on Aug 22, 2016 14:08:17 GMT
I don't know how it's done and I don't want to know! I thought it was a simply smashing moment myself. I hope I never get to the point where something like that doesn't thrill me or impress me. I love that you don't want to know. Unfortunately I'm far too curious and working in film where everything is possible with a bit of camera/sfx/vfx trickery I find it hard not to watch and work things out.
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