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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 17:10:50 GMT
I'd assume that the pro would retain their "own gender" role in a SS partnership as to teach and learn steps they have never done themselves for the pro would be too hard. They teach steps they don't dance to the celebs every week - the men teach the follower part and dance the lead, the opposite for the female pros. Every professional dancer who teaches will know both parts even if they don't dance both socially (though many of them do). I would guess they'd let the celeb choose and then find a pro willing to dance the other part if it isn't their usual role. I don't think they could force a female pro to lead, but equally I think if they asked for volunteers some of them could and would do it. Dancing on Strictly is nowhere near the standard required for professional competitions so the fact that it isn't their usual role would matter a lot less than you might think. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 20:44:57 GMT
If two females danced together who would lead would be interesting, also outfits would be a minefield. If it was ballroom would you have one in an outfit to clearly demonstrate that they were the "male" partner or could you have the two ladies in evening dresses!
Anton dancing with a male partner would be hugely entertaining and it would have been priceless to see someone like James Jordan's face if he'd been paired up with say Richard Arnold!
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Post by d'James on Sept 11, 2017 21:14:57 GMT
They should all swap one week so the celebs each get a chance to experience the other role. Same-sex week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 23:22:10 GMT
If two females danced together who would lead would be interesting, also outfits would be a minefield. If it was ballroom would you have one in an outfit to clearly demonstrate that they were the "male" partner or could you have the two ladies in evening dresses! Either is acceptable on the lower level competition circuits, so I expect it would be whatever the celebs and pros felt comfortable in! The leader wearing trousers would be easier than a dress though. |
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Post by dizzieblonde on Sept 18, 2017 7:19:55 GMT
Just a reminder that the first live Strictly show is this Saturday! Starts at 6.25pm and runs until 8.45pm. All 15 celebs dancing on one night - it's a long slog in week 1!  I genuinely can't decide if I preferred it when they split the shows and had a Friday night edition, just for the first week, when you have to sit through all the introductions. Second week is usually when they have very brief intros and race through the dances! Also, just to point out that there's a very sizeable overlap with X Factor ─ 45 minutes. These things used to be wrangled over incessantly in the press, but it would appear XF has given up the ghost and accepted that Strictly is the behemoth of a Saturday night show that will just crush everything in its path! BTW, if anyone is interested in the dances and music for each contestant, the BBC Strictly website revealed the following: Alexandra and Gorka are Waltzing to (You Make Me Feel Like A) Natural Woman by Aretha Franklin Charlotte and Brendan will Foxtrot to The Best Is Yet To Come by Michael Buble Chizzy and Pasha will Cha Cha to Boogie Fever by The Sylvers Debbie and Giovanni will perform a Paso Doble to Be Italian by Fergie Gemma and Aljaz will Cha Cha to There’s Nothing Holdin' Me Back by Shawn Mendes Mollie and AJ will Jive to Good Golly Miss Molly by Little Richard Ruth and Anton are Waltzing to This Nearly Was Mine (Seth MacFarlane version) Susan and Kevin will perform the Viennese Waltz to Mad About The Boy by Dinah Washington Aston and Janette will Foxtrot to It Had To Be You Harry Connick Jnr Brian and Amy will Tango to Temptation by Heaven 17 Davood and Nadiya will Cha Cha to Dedication To My Ex by Lloyd ft. Andre 3000 Joe and Katya are Jiving to Rockin’ Robin by Michael Jackson Jonnie and Oti will Waltz to When I Need You by Luther Vandross Rev. Richard and Dianne perform the Cha Cha to There Must Be An Angel by the Eurythmics Simon and Karen will perform the Paso Doble to Song 2 by Blur And we have our first musical theatre number of the series - the rather gorgeous "This Nearly Was Mine" from South Pacific (and an actual waltz!) Looking forward to that one - I'm not sure it's ever been used on the show before, which is a minor miracle (especially when you see all the other old chestnuts being wheeled out again (When I Need You, and It Had To Be You - how many times have those been done?!!). |
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Post by ensembleswings on Sept 18, 2017 10:39:33 GMT
Just a reminder that the first live Strictly show is this Saturday! Starts at 6.25pm and runs until 8.45pm. All 15 celebs dancing on one night - it's a long slog in week 1! I genuinely can't decide if I preferred it when they split the shows and had a Friday night edition, just for the first week, when you have to sit through all the introductions. Second week is usually when they have very brief intros and race through the dances! Personally I prefer it when they split the first week into Friday and Saturday shows. Typical it starts this weekend when I've got a show booked, the one time I actually book a Saturday evening show  Ohh well I'll just have to record it ad watch it Sunday morning instead. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 18, 2017 11:26:44 GMT
Yes I prefer the split shows at the beginning.
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 18, 2017 12:12:25 GMT
If they're all dancing on the same night, does that mean there is going to be a public vote in week one?
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Post by dizzieblonde on Sept 18, 2017 12:42:34 GMT
If they're all dancing on the same night, does that mean there is going to be a public vote in week one? No - as in previous years, the celebs do 2 weeks before the first elimination. Ostensibly, this allows them to perform both a latin and ballroom routine, but it also justifies the near 3 week gap between getting partnered up, and the first show. It also means that those forgettable first few contestants, in the early show, don't get penalised, as they can be reshuffled to a later slot in the next show. I think it's pretty fair - by the end of week 2, the combined scores are fairly indicative of who is really at the bottom of the scoreboard (rather than just one bad dance). Viewer votes change all that, anyway! |
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Post by Tibidabo on Sept 18, 2017 14:33:57 GMT
I think it's a real shame when they get one of the harder dances on the first week - such as the jive or tango. I'm sure they all used to do either the waltz or cha cha cha and then swap the second week - it makes it easier to see their level and seems fairer.
I wonder how they decide who gets what - Anton always gets a waltz in the first week (though I'm sure someone will correct me - but that's what it seems.)
Paso dobles and tangos should not be to songs by Fergie, Blur or Heaven 17. Just no.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 14:52:08 GMT
I feel that first two weeks - the contestants should do the same latin and ballroom and then reverse it week two. That way everyone is judged equally. seeing 7 or 8 waltzes wouldn't be an issue.
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Post by dizzieblonde on Sept 18, 2017 16:22:37 GMT
I think it's a real shame when they get one of the harder dances on the first week - such as the jive or tango. I'm sure they all used to do either the waltz or cha cha cha and then swap the second week - it makes it easier to see their level and seems fairer. I wonder how they decide who gets what - Anton always gets a waltz in the first week (though I'm sure someone will correct me - but that's what it seems.) Paso dobles and tangos should not be to songs by Fergie, Blur or Heaven 17. Just no. I agree that no one should be doing a jive - or the highly technical foxtrot - for their first dance. There was a reason why cha cha cha and waltz were the first dances, years ago. They are basic pattern dances, that introduce celebs to dancing, without giving them a total nightmare to learn for their first dance. I suspect the incessant need for 'variety' is what has led to the mishmash of dance styles every week. It's also a result of the number of celebs going from 12 (6 waltzes and 6 cha cha chas were bearable) to 15 - they've decided no one wants to watch 15 people dance only two types of dance, even though I think the audience would. It's not really been fair, in that way, for years. And don't get me started on music for tangos and paso dobles - it's been a horror for years! I swear only about 2 celebs per year get 'proper' paso or tango music! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 15:33:34 GMT
The music on Strictly is inappropriate for the dance more often than not, and this week is no exception.
I feel sorry for Susan, Viennese Waltz looks easy but it's devilishly tricky to do properly, so it's a really tough first dance.
I'm on holiday and missing the first two shows so will need to try to read some reports while I'm away!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 0:18:06 GMT
Maybe fairest way would be to limit opening two weeks to 4 dances, so you get some variety but a fairer playing field.
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 20, 2017 8:27:43 GMT
It's not really been fair, in that way, for years. And don't get me started on music for tangos and paso dobles - it's been a horror for years! I swear only about 2 celebs per year get 'proper' paso or tango music! I agree with dizzieblonde and Tibidabo, and probably most other members who watch Strictly, on the subject of unsuitable music. It's not just tangos and pasos that suffer but even waltzes as some posts have also mentioned. Waltzes have three beats in each bar. They also have a correct tempo and there are plenty of proper Viennese Waltzes and Waltzes to use. Even the Charleston really needs a particular kind of basic rhythm that we rarely hear but I guess there are not all that many songs written in true charleston rhythm. Will things improve? I guess not! |
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Post by ensembleswings on Sept 20, 2017 9:41:43 GMT
I also happen to agree on the subject of music choices!
Surely it makes it harder for the celebrities to master the dances if they're having to dance to music that doesn't truly match up to the style of dance they are performing? In my opinion it makes them look worse than they actually are.
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Post by vdcni on Sept 20, 2017 10:35:44 GMT
The problem certainly has got worse over the years - there was always the occasional WTF music but now it's the norm. I get that they don't want to repeat themselves too much but it does make it harder for a dance to have impact if the music feels wrong.
Same with having themes for the dance - when it was just theme weeks then fine but now it feels that every dance has to have a hook and nothing can just be a straightforward ballroom or latin dance. The pro dances have the same problem so it was nice to get some pretty back to basics ones in the launch show - hopefully that will continue.
Oh and why does every VT need to be a comedy or fake day out these days, well I say comedy but none of the pros and most of the celebs don't have the skills required to make them genuinely amusing, rather than the training footage we used to get. Again around Blackpool and theme weeks then ok but not every week.
That said I still watch it but I'm less inclined to watch it live these days as I like to fast forward through the dodgy bits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 11:11:09 GMT
The problem certainly has got worse over the years - there was always the occasional WTF music but now it's the norm. I get that they don't want to repeat themselves too much but it does make it harder for a dance to have impact if the music feels wrong. Same with having themes for the dance - when it was just theme weeks then fine but now it feels that every dance has to have a hook and nothing can just be a straightforward ballroom or latin dance. The pro dances have the same problem so it was nice to get some pretty back to basics ones in the launch show - hopefully that will continue. Oh and why does every VT need to be a comedy or fake day out these days, well I say comedy but none of the pros and most of the celebs don't have the skills required to make them genuinely amusing, rather than the training footage we used to get. Again around Blackpool and theme weeks then ok but not every week. That said I still watch it but I'm less inclined to watch it live these days as I like to fast forward through the dodgy bits. I agree with every word of this! I still don't understand why they've meddled with the themes and music so much when it worked perfectly well before they had all the props and faffing around! It seems to be unfashionable now to actually care about the quality of the dancing... |
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Post by tonyloco on Sept 20, 2017 11:21:05 GMT
I agree with every word of this! I still don't understand why they've meddled with the themes and music so much when it worked perfectly well before they had all the props and faffing around! It seems to be unfashionable now to actually care about the quality of the dancing... But then with the sometimes appalling camera work the viewers often don't see the actual dancing anyway...! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 14:44:15 GMT
I'd like to know who chooses the music and the dance content themes, I'd imagine some pros would be quite precious about having creative control over choreography. The music needs to be orchestrated by Dave Arch and co and condensed into dance time.
Plus costumes need to be considered, I know that some especially on the Pros and maybe on the celeb side can be reused/adjusted. But they have to know who will be comfortable wearing what and have some planning. This would be especially true of say Susan Calman who is a different shape to the other ladies so may need more bespoke costumes made.
I don't see why they don't film this week's show in two and show 2nd part on Sunday but you'd need a live full show one week to get the votes open or do Friday and Saturday live week two and then record results after Saturday's show.
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Post by vdcni on Sept 20, 2017 14:45:54 GMT
I'm mystified by what they have done and the vast majority of people I know also hate it but then they have held their audience when TV audiences in general are falling.
It doesn't help that they have also taken to hiring pros with minimal ballroom and latin experience. Janette seems a nice woman and her salsa is incredible but when it comes to the traditional dances compared to past pro's like Erin, Natalie and Karen (Hardy not Clifton who is not much better) she just isn't in the same league and it shows.
With the men why keep Anton and Brendan around when neither seem particularly interested anymore when you have a proper world champion like Neil Jones on the sub bench.
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Post by vdcni on Sept 20, 2017 14:47:53 GMT
I'd like to know who chooses the music and the dance content themes, I'd imagine some pros would be quite precious about having creative control over choreography. The music needs to be orchestrated by Dave Arch and co and condensed into dance time. Plus costumes need to be considered, I know that some especially on the Pros and maybe on the celeb side can be reused/adjusted. But they have to know who will be comfortable wearing what and have some planning. This would be especially true of say Susan Calman who is a different shape to the other ladies so may need more bespoke costumes made. I don't see why they don't film this week's show in two and show 2nd part on Sunday but you'd need a live full show one week to get the votes open or do Friday and Saturday live week two and then record results after Saturday's show. I think part of the problem is that in the past it was clearly the pros who had song choice with input from the production team and now it is the production team who have control with minimal input from the pros. There's certainly been a few barbed comments aimed at the production team from the pros and celebs in recent years over song choice and odd themes. |
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Post by TallPaul on Sept 20, 2017 15:10:55 GMT
Meanwhile, Ore Oduba has been announced as the host of the 2018 Strictly tour, which CRH will be directing once again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 15:37:13 GMT
Ore is a good choice, nice guy experienced presenter.
Does CRH ever really take time off - Directing Son of A Preacher Man, Starring in Annie, Strictly, Panto, Strictly tour in the next 4 or so months. Surely he'd want a break sometime.
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Post by lynette on Sept 20, 2017 15:44:49 GMT
I agree, it is very tough for the truly non dancers to start with a jive or the paso which requires such confidence. First show all in one go...not sure. A bit of a slog and in one tv households, it does somewhat monopolise the evening.
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I genuinely can't decide if I preferred it when they split the shows and had a Friday night edition, just for the first week, when you have to sit through all the introductions. Second week is usually when they have very brief intros and race through the dances!
Ohh well I'll just have to record it ad watch it Sunday morning instead.
