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Post by anthony40 on Sept 10, 2017 11:39:22 GMT
Forgive me if this has already been brought up in a previous discussion but couldn't help notice the Neil is back, bust still not as a lead male dancer. Now of memory serves me correctly, when he joined last year, he did so with his wife (can't remember her name) who also was never a lead dancer.
I'm assuming she didn't return this year? Otherwise why not bump her up and instead of hitting three new female dancers, use her and hire only two?
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Post by Tibidabo on Sept 10, 2017 11:42:23 GMT
Forgive me if this has already been brought up in a previous discussion but couldn't help notice the Neil is back, bust still not as a lead male dancer. Now of memory serves me correctly, when he joined last year, he did so with his wife (can't remember her name) who also was never a lead dancer. I'm assuming she didn't return this year? Otherwise why not bump her up and instead of hitting three new female dancers, use her and hire only two? I've just looked it up as it was bugging me - his wife is Katya, who danced with Ed Balls last year. You're thinking of Chloe who, I think, is the professional partner of AJ. They both did stuff on It Takes Two. He was funny. She wasn't. |
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 10, 2017 12:51:50 GMT
When I saw Alexandra Bourke last night the first thought that popped into my head was "Drag Queen"! (I swear) that woman woman was wearing sooooo much make up!
I actually think she's be good, as I do Simon Rimmer, the disabled rummer, the guy from Holby city and the guy from Eastenders.
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 13:21:38 GMT
Alexandra was wearing a rudeword-tonne of make up, but that's better than all the men tonight. All the hair and faces were so greasy (on the men). Aljaz who is normally immaculate looked way too greasy. What was up with AJ's hair, it looked like it had been through a candy floss machine?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 14:00:04 GMT
I adore Susan Calman, and I loved her total joy at being paired with Kevin. I'm fond of the Cliftons and think he'll embrace being given a not-so-natural-dancer this year. On that note I hope Ruth surprises us and Anton and gives him a good crack at it this year- it's nice when he gets a tries-even-if-not-great dancer.
The chef man is getting on my nerves already- seems quite full of himself, and Mollie does have an ufortunate air about her. I'm not much fussed on Aston either.
I love Eastenders Man for entierly shallow reasons, and I think he and Joe McFadden will turn out to be a couple of dark horses this year (and hopefully kick out a few of the obnoxious trained dancers late in the run). Loved Chizzy's attitude and I think she'll get a good run- and be decent.
And yes, Alexandra is certainly keeping the make-up team busy already?!
ETA: I thought the Brucie tribute was lovely- he'd have loved the 'proper' ballroom and the men in their tails as he always commented on that.
Considering they had what- 2 days to pull that together at the time I think it was nice. Tess utterly broke me in that segement I really felt for her.
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 14:08:43 GMT
They had five days but it doesn't matter. I just hope there's more to come. Previous pros or it's a very flimsy tribute. How many of the current lot ever worked with him? The longest serving woman, now, is Janette. Scary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 14:12:42 GMT
They had five days but it doesn't matter. I just hope there's more to come. Previous pros or it's a very flimsy tribute. How many of the current lot ever worked with him? The longest serving woman, now, is Janette. Scary. Oh my mistake then I thought it was only a couple. Perhaps they'll put something together for Christmas or the end of the series. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 14:27:30 GMT
They had five days but it doesn't matter. I just hope there's more to come. Previous pros or it's a very flimsy tribute. How many of the current lot ever worked with him? The longest serving woman, now, is Janette. Scary. Oh my mistake then I thought it was only a couple. Perhaps they'll put something together for Christmas or the end of the series. In all fairness it was four days. Sorry. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 14:52:25 GMT
Spoiler alert: Mollie is unbearable! FFS, this belongs in the Strictly spoilers 2017 thread which you started. Clue is in the word. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 14:52:59 GMT
Spoiler alert: Mollie is unbearable! FFS, this belongs in the Strictly spoilers 2017 thread which you started. Clue is in the word. Hahahahaha. |
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Post by lynette on Sept 10, 2017 16:51:04 GMT
I wish they would dispense with the singing. They usually have artists who are a bit old hat. Would it be too much to have guest dancers? What about junior champions? Or a regional team? Or a group from another country?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 17:08:48 GMT
Couldn't agree more about the singing. It's the very obvious miming I object to. (Do they call it "playback" now?) The Strictly band and singers, led by the wonderful Dave Arch, are such an important part of the whole package, I can't make out why they have these people on who add nothing to the show really. If they have to be invited on to boost the ratings, then make them sing live! I like the idea of guest dancers. Why don't you drop them a line, lynette?  Apart from that I loved the show, and found the tribute to Brucie quite touching. Think this'll be another great series. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 20:19:18 GMT
I think Simon could be first out too. Older males often go first, we know that Brian Conley will be entertaining and he has done musicals which involve some dancing so he'll be coach-able. The Rev Coles may have too left feet but he looks like he will give it a go and could be this year's Ed Balls. It will be interesting to see if any potential LGBT vote goes behind him or Susan Calman. I think that whichever survives longest could go a long way if that vote gets behind them.
Also if Simon does go early, it could be interesting to see who goes longest out of the over 50's - Ruth, Brian, Debbie and Rev Richard! plus which of these could be the cult personality this year alongside Susan and Chizzy.
Aston and Janette will be pocket rockets and are probably favorites. Davood will have a good following and could go a long way, Joe McFadden is my dark horse, he is in a well known show, has done musicals so could either be very good or not. I'd back Alex or Mollie to potentially go longer than Gemma in the younger female stakes.
I thought the spoken tributes to Bruce were good and it was nice to see Len speaking too, I would have thought the dance might have been more fun as I'm sure Brucie would have liked a fun send off.
There is also talk that Richard Coles and Susan Calman should have had same sex partners. I'm all for equality and the idea is valid but it would potentially cause issues. A female pro would have to teach Susan the male lead steps which would have been even harder if we assume the female pro dances as the lady. Likewise a male pro trying to lift an approx 90-100kg Richard would be a disaster and could be honestly see Richard doing the female steps! If it had been done when say Julian Clary was on the show then him doing the female steps may have worked.
We also had gay male pros before, it was never suggested they had male partners on the show so why different for Rev Richard or Susan?
Fairplay to Susan for putting on a dress for the first time in many years, no doubt that may upset some more militant women in te LGBT community.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:36:22 GMT
They had five days but it doesn't matter. I just hope there's more to come. Previous pros or it's a very flimsy tribute. How many of the current lot ever worked with him? The longest serving woman, now, is Janette. Scary. Not sure why you assume they could ever manage to get former pros all together in 5 days - they all have lives! There were plenty of old clips featuring former pros. For the amount of time they had it was perfectly acceptable and it was in parts the traditional ballroom he loved (though the dresses were awful). The longest serving female pro is actually Karen, she did a series before Janette joined. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 21:39:46 GMT
They had five days but it doesn't matter. I just hope there's more to come. Previous pros or it's a very flimsy tribute. How many of the current lot ever worked with him? The longest serving woman, now, is Janette. Scary. Not sure why you assume they could ever manage to get former pros all together in 5 days - they all have lives! There were plenty of old clips featuring former pros. For the amount of time they had it was perfectly acceptable and it was in parts the traditional ballroom he loved (though the dresses were awful). The longest serving female pro is actually Karen, she did a series before Janette joined. Either way, not great. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:42:43 GMT
There is also talk that Richard Coles and Susan Calman should have had same sex partners. I'm all for equality and the idea is valid but it would potentially cause issues. A female pro would have to teach Susan the male lead steps which would have been even harder if we assume the female pro dances as the lady. Likewise a male pro trying to lift an approx 90-100kg Richard would be a disaster and could be honestly see Richard doing the female steps! Presumably if/when it does happen they will ask the celeb whether they want to lead or follow - every female pro will know the leader's steps so I think you'd be mistaken to assume they would necessarily follow. And you'd be equally wrong to assume someone like Rev Richard would look "wrong" following a male pro (which is what you seem to be implying) - if you ever go to any social dance which welcomes same sex dancing you will see all types of physiques and characters both leading and following. But it won't be this year, so this is all hypothetical for now, and I find the fact that Susan has got abuse online for choosing to dance with a man really pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:43:50 GMT
Not sure why you assume they could ever manage to get former pros all together in 5 days - they all have lives! There were plenty of old clips featuring former pros. For the amount of time they had it was perfectly acceptable and it was in parts the traditional ballroom he loved (though the dresses were awful). The longest serving female pro is actually Karen, she did a series before Janette joined. Either way, not great. In your opinion. Anyway, at least half of them have worked with him on Christmas specials at least. |
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Post by d'James on Sept 10, 2017 21:45:14 GMT
In your opinion. Anyway, at least half of them have worked with him on Christmas specials at least. In my opinion, I hope there's a better tribute to come in my opinion! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:03:52 GMT
There is also talk that Richard Coles and Susan Calman should have had same sex partners. I'm all for equality and the idea is valid but it would potentially cause issues. A female pro would have to teach Susan the male lead steps which would have been even harder if we assume the female pro dances as the lady. Likewise a male pro trying to lift an approx 90-100kg Richard would be a disaster and could be honestly see Richard doing the female steps! Presumably if/when it does happen they will ask the celeb whether they want to lead or follow - every female pro will know the leader's steps so I think you'd be mistaken to assume they would necessarily follow. And you'd be equally wrong to assume someone like Rev Richard would look "wrong" following a male pro (which is what you seem to be implying) - if you ever go to any social dance which welcomes same sex dancing you will see all types of physiques and characters both leading and following. But it won't be this year, so this is all hypothetical for now, and I find the fact that Susan has got abuse online for choosing to dance with a man really pathetic. My comment about Richard Coles was more tongue in cheek at the idea of a male pro trying to lift him given Richard is a fairly well set man. The perfect partnering would be if they had a younger gay male star and put him with an experienced man pro IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 7:08:25 GMT
There is also talk that Richard Coles and Susan Calman should have had same sex partners. I'm all for equality and the idea is valid but it would potentially cause issues. A female pro would have to teach Susan the male lead steps which would have been even harder if we assume the female pro dances as the lady. Likewise a male pro trying to lift an approx 90-100kg Richard would be a disaster and could be honestly see Richard doing the female steps! Presumably if/when it does happen they will ask the celeb whether they want to lead or follow - every female pro will know the leader's steps so I think you'd be mistaken to assume they would necessarily follow. And you'd be equally wrong to assume someone like Rev Richard would look "wrong" following a male pro (which is what you seem to be implying) - if you ever go to any social dance which welcomes same sex dancing you will see all types of physiques and characters both leading and following. But it won't be this year, so this is all hypothetical for now, and I find the fact that Susan has got abuse online for choosing to dance with a man really pathetic. The abuse Susan is getting is really pathetic indeed! It's somehow as if she's betraying her sexuality by dancing with a man (and aparently wearing heels and a dress...) Um, I'm not sure if they've noticed but there's quite a few gay male ballroom dancers out there who dance with women- should Ian Waite have refused to dance with Zoe Ball and still refuse to on 'It Takes Two'? As for the fact she's getting crap for wanting to wear dresses and heels, I'm pretty sure the boys don't dressin sparkly shirts and skin tight trousers in 'normal' life but they aren't 'betryaing who they are' and whatever other crap Susan has had argh! |
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Post by dizzieblonde on Sept 11, 2017 8:38:25 GMT
Presumably if/when it does happen they will ask the celeb whether they want to lead or follow - every female pro will know the leader's steps so I think you'd be mistaken to assume they would necessarily follow. And you'd be equally wrong to assume someone like Rev Richard would look "wrong" following a male pro (which is what you seem to be implying) - if you ever go to any social dance which welcomes same sex dancing you will see all types of physiques and characters both leading and following. But it won't be this year, so this is all hypothetical for now, and I find the fact that Susan has got abuse online for choosing to dance with a man really pathetic. The abuse Susan is getting is really pathetic indeed! It's somehow as if she's betraying her sexuality by dancing with a man (and aparently wearing heels and a dress...) Um, I'm not sure if they've noticed but there's quite a few gay male ballroom dancers out there who dance with women- should Ian Waite have refused to dance with Zoe Ball and still refuse to on 'It Takes Two'? As for the fact she's getting crap for wanting to wear dresses and heels, I'm pretty sure the boys don't dressin sparkly shirts and skin tight trousers in 'normal' life but they aren't 'betryaing who they are' and whatever other crap Susan has had argh! it's really infuriating! Years and years of Strictly having gay male celebs dancing with female partners - just off the top of my head, Will Young, Julian Clary, Richard Arnold, Scott Mills and Judge Rinder (not to mention that 2 of the judges are gay!) - and not one of them was saddled with this kind of criticism, but the second an out gay woman joins the show, she gets all these negative headlines (which the tabloids try and pass of as them just being 'progressive' about questioning same-sex dance couples). Nope, it's just a way to criticise Susan, and remind the audience that the show has recruited a lesbian celeb. They're having to redirect the same criticism to Rev Richard Coles, to eliminate the impression that they were just targeting the gay female (which they were), but they never actually had an issue with the Rev dancing with a woman! It's totally a personal choice, and Susan has already said that it had crossed her mind but, the minute she was asked to do the show, she knew she wanted to dance with a male partner (specifically Kevin, if you believe her tears and breakdown at the prospect of having him to herself for the remainder of the competition)! As for the sparkly dresses, they're pretty much out of everyone's comfort zones (save for the female pop stars, who have usually had a fair bit of experience with the dress/hair/make-up extravaganza, in their careers). Just another stick to beat her with, really. In any case, it makes me want to support her more (despite Kevin-From-Grimsby being one of the most annoying humans ever!), given she comes across as a genuinely lovely person, and she's getting all of this unnecessary flack! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 15:50:33 GMT
Russell Grant is perhaps the most memorable gay male contestant they have ever had so deserves to be mentioned plus the late Jason Wood from the first series. It is very surprising and a bit sad that it has taken Strictly so long to have a gay female contestant given they have had a large number of gay male celebs over the years. They had gay competitors on Dancing on Ice and they skated with partners of the opposite sex too - imagine a man trying to lift big Gareth Thomas who is certainly a lot bigger than Rev Richard.
Does the sexuality of any of the competitors, dancers, judges even matter.
I've seen people of the same sex certainly dancing at parties, in clubs etc but my life experiences haven't yet stretched to attending ballroom or latin dance classes let alone LGBT friendly ones. My experience of same sex dancing was line dancing at junior school and the Blue Oyster Club in Police Academy.
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Post by d'James on Sept 11, 2017 16:43:20 GMT
I think it's a great shame for Susan. She probably deliberately didn't want to dance with a woman because she didn't want any 'special' attention, being the first same sex couple.
It's bound to happen eventually and it'll, of course, attract complaints. Anyway, people will get over it and it'll be fine. The only thing I think they'd have to decide before starting practice is which 'role' the celebrity will play in a same sex pairing (don't be filthy). What I mean is that whether they'll play the 'traditional' man's role and lead or not. I don't think it would be fair for them to be able to swap roles every other week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 16:58:53 GMT
I'd assume that the pro would retain their "own gender" role in a SS partnership as to teach and learn steps they have never done themselves for the pro would be too hard.
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Post by d'James on Sept 11, 2017 17:05:54 GMT
I'd assume that the pro would retain their "own gender" role in a SS partnership as to teach and learn steps they have never done themselves for the pro would be too hard. Yes I think that'd be the fairest way to do it. |
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