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Post by A.Ham on Sept 19, 2023 9:36:32 GMT
It very much sounds as though the whole thing will be black and white. Costumes, set, lighting, the lot.
Can see this ties in with the artwork they’ve released, the rehearsal photos and of course the fact movies were all in b&w when Norma was starring in them…
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Post by Stephen on Sept 19, 2023 10:39:34 GMT
It very much sounds as though the whole thing will be black and white. Costumes, set, lighting, the lot. Can see this ties in with the artwork they’ve released, the rehearsal photos and of course the fact movies were all in b&w when Norma was starring in them… Think it would be a cool decision to have this all black and white until Norma returns to the studio. Could be a nice contrast to the grey before!
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 19, 2023 10:47:03 GMT
Maybe- and this is just a thought- it's black and white, not only to reflect Norma's time in front of the camera, but also as she slips in and out of sanity?
So, Joe's world, with Sheldrake, Betty and Artie- the scenes at Swabs- are all in colour. But the scenes inside the mansion- the dead chimp, Max shuffling about, the screenings of her old films, that sort of this are in black and white.
I don't have a ticket or any inside knowledge however again, just a thought.
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Post by A.Ham on Sept 19, 2023 11:33:23 GMT
So, Joe's world, with Sheldrake, Betty and Artie- the scenes at Swabs- are all in colour. But the scenes inside the mansion- the dead chimp, Max shuffling about, the screenings of her old films, that sort of this are in black and white. I love this idea!
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 19, 2023 12:26:09 GMT
Like City of Angels?
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Post by danb on Sept 19, 2023 12:56:45 GMT
Whatever it looks like, I’m predicting the scariest, craziest Norma ever! (But am not looking forward to the wrists 🤢).
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Post by A.Ham on Sept 19, 2023 13:10:17 GMT
Whatever it looks like, I’m predicting the scariest, craziest Norma ever! (But am not looking forward to the wrists 🤢). Perhaps there’s still a vat full of theatrical blood somewhere backstage at the Savoy, left behind from A Little Life…
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Post by BVM on Sept 19, 2023 14:22:59 GMT
Unnecessary hyperbole. It’s sold averagely to well depending on day of week. Pick any date and compare to most other musicals and its advance sales are fine. Considerably better than Aspects of Love. Only the very few tourist trap juggernauts come close to selling out in advance since the coronavirus. Hardly. It’s sold really badly. Don’t understand how circa half tickets sold equals “really badly” but there we are 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by karloscar on Sept 19, 2023 14:37:29 GMT
It very much sounds as though the whole thing will be black and white. Costumes, set, lighting, the lot. Can see this ties in with the artwork they’ve released, the rehearsal photos and of course the fact movies were all in b&w when Norma was starring in them… Think it would be a cool decision to have this all black and white until Norma returns to the studio. Could be a nice contrast to the grey before! Except however atmospheric it may be, grey is really quite boring to watch on stage for the 90 minutes before she makes it back to the studio.
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Post by alece10 on Sept 19, 2023 14:55:16 GMT
You mean like the first bit of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
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Post by anthony40 on Sept 19, 2023 15:15:42 GMT
You mean like the first bit of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Or The Wizard of Oz?
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Post by og on Sept 19, 2023 17:02:26 GMT
You mean like the first bit of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Or The Wizard of Oz? one song vs and act and a half... little bit of a difference there.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 19, 2023 17:24:45 GMT
Think it would be a cool decision to have this all black and white until Norma returns to the studio. Could be a nice contrast to the grey before! Except however atmospheric it may be, grey is really quite boring to watch on stage for the 90 minutes before she makes it back to the studio. This little story is slightly O/T but generally related because of the design aspect. The most hideous-yet-expensive set I’ve personally ever seen was at the ROH for an interminable production of Tamerlano. Placido Domingo pulled out (allegedly after seeing the set) and we left at the second interval. This was about three hours in mind you, with another hour and a half to run. The production got scathing reviews; (https://theartsdesk.com/opera/tamerlano-royal-opera?amp) which were richly deserved. My main memory was the set was absolutely hideous. Almost everything was in black and white, from the backdrops to the solitary giant orb, to the costumes. The lighting was bright white. It was sterile and clinical. It was dreadful and completely brutal. In my view - and I appreciate others will disagree - this show is meant to be opulent. You can be earnest and honest with the story while still portraying in a literal sense Norma’s frivolous grandiosity. The Watermill production and subsequent West End transfer showed that you don’t need a whopping budget to “signpost” what things literally represent. Norma Desmond actually lives in a “palazzo”, she actually is loaded. She actually is a faded movie star from the silent era. These aspects are absolutely crucial to the telling of the story. Why must directors put their ego above the telling of the story? Is this a money issue? Can they quite literally not afford sets which actually the represent the things they are meant to? I am at the stage where I avoid shows by certain directors because I know what they’ll be and what gimmicks will resurface right on schedule. Ivo Van Hove, for instance, would stage the whole thing in a box, and you’ll spend most the show watching a shaking Go-Pro camera feed. Just honour the original work, for pity’s sake, and for these ticket prices show me some of the money on the stage!!!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 19, 2023 17:37:00 GMT
I wonder if it would’ve get the investors if it was just another similar version with a big staircase. That’s only going to get compared, unfavourably, to the original so why bother?
But there HAS to be something fabulous about it, you can’t just make the paying audience responsible for conjuring an artistic vision that you didn’t feel like presenting to them.
If they do something interesting that’s we’ve never seen before which actually works the I’m ok with that.
One costume though… that’s concerning.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Sept 19, 2023 19:10:59 GMT
One costume though… that’s concerning. Said the 'Cher Show' ensemble to the wardrobe dept.
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Sept 19, 2023 19:26:23 GMT
Why must directors put their ego above the telling of the story? Wanting to tell the story from a different point of view or from a different angle or whatever, has nothing to do with ego. It's their job. If a director has a vision of how they wants to do it, and do something different from everything that went before then they should go for it. They are still telling the same story. If all productions honoured the original, things would get very dull very quickly. Imagine only seeing Shakespeare that honoured the original work. No thanks.
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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2023 19:38:38 GMT
Why must directors put their ego above the telling of the story? Wanting to tell the story from a different point of view or from a different angle or whatever, has nothing to do with ego. It's their job. If a director has a vision of how they wants to do it, and do something different from everything that went before then they should go for it. They are still telling the same story. If all productions honoured the original, things would get very dull very quickly. Imagine only seeing Shakespeare that honoured the original work. No thanks. I agree, I get the original production was visually stunning but it also lost money and theatre is always evolving and unless you want theatre to be the equivalent of a museum then you have to accept different interpretations.
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2023 19:53:12 GMT
The first thing I did when I saw 'A Little Life' was look up to see where the 'rain' would come from. There it was, that metal contraption. Except, it wasn't used for that after all. Van Hove was admirably free of some signature tricks. (Tbf I don't know if rain is ubiquitous in his work, but I've seen a lot of it recently and lose track of who by)
Where would Ninagawa be without falling petals? Robert Wilson without people doing ordinary actions in unison?
Interesting to see when/if 'signature' moves by directors get so cross fertilised that even they choose to 'give it a rest'.
I actually think a pared back SB is a good prospect but, in a year of things gone wrong, what's the betting it's on an ALW show that people finally tire of it?
p.s there's hardly an auditionee for drama school who hasn't had a workshop from Frantic Assembly, so stand by for a lot of that! Lol
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Post by oxfordsimon on Sept 19, 2023 19:59:00 GMT
Honouring the original does not, and has never, meant only performing a piece exactly as it was in the first production.
It does mean staying true to the essence of what the creators intended and not seeking to impose things on a show that do not have strong roots in the text/score.
Some of the most exciting theatre I have seen stays true to that approach. Always using the material as the basis for each production material and not seeking to use the material to tell another story.
No one has argued that theatre should be trapped in a museum. Innovation is key. But it has to come from within and not be imposed.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 19, 2023 21:51:22 GMT
The hugely profitable and reasonably critically successful actor-musician Watermill production proved you can pare down on expense, while staying true to the fundamental essence of the story the writers are trying to tell on stage. Sets, costumes, lighting and casting was all appropriate for the story at hand. Money was saved with no pit band. Actors were age-appropriate, sets were minimal but sufficient. That production had heart, superb performances and was “minimalist”. It could afford more than one costume for Norma, however.
Nobody is saying though, least of all me, that every production needs to be a replica of the original staging. I am saying similar to the above poster, that the show is the show. I find it poor form when creatives consistently re-work existing material to tell a story that was never intended for the piece. If a particular message is so important to them, they should create their own work tailored around it. What I absolutely don’t want to see is “Jamie Lloyd’s take on Sunset Boulevard”, or “Ivo Van Hove does West Side Story”.
I want the director and creative team to service the story,, not the other way around.
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Post by karloscar on Sept 19, 2023 21:53:23 GMT
There's a hell of a lot of music in that show devoted to the entrances,exits, transitions, really bad car chase etc etc. You have to fill that time with something to look at or you're left with a lot of nothing connected by a few big numbers.
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Post by toomasj on Sept 19, 2023 21:57:28 GMT
There's a hell of a lot of music in that show devoted to the entrances,exits, transitions, really bad car chase etc etc. You have to fill that time with something to look at or you're left with a lot of nothing connected by a few big numbers. Video and projection for this production, from all I’ve heard, (huge screen) and “live interaction” with the video.
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Post by erik24601 on Sept 20, 2023 0:44:31 GMT
One costume though… that’s concerning. Said the 'Cher Show' ensemble to the wardrobe dept. 😂
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Post by bobbievanhusen on Sept 20, 2023 1:11:58 GMT
It does mean staying true to the essence of what the creators intended and not seeking to impose things on a show that do not have strong roots in the text/score. Some of the most exciting theatre I have seen stays true to that approach. Always using the material as the basis for each production material and not seeking to use the material to tell another story. No one has argued that theatre should be trapped in a museum. Innovation is key. But it has to come from within and not be imposed. Maybe this production of SB will do many of those things, or maybe it won't, but we wont know for sure until it actually opens. I loved Kathryn Evans in Sunset Blvd, but that was about it for that production. It went too far the other way, a spiral staircase, some potted plants and a chaise lounge do not a palazzo make. Honour the original well, or do something different with it, like the 1996 revival of Chicago.
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Post by chernjam on Sept 20, 2023 3:49:56 GMT
It does mean staying true to the essence of what the creators intended and not seeking to impose things on a show that do not have strong roots in the text/score. Some of the most exciting theatre I have seen stays true to that approach. Always using the material as the basis for each production material and not seeking to use the material to tell another story. No one has argued that theatre should be trapped in a museum. Innovation is key. But it has to come from within and not be imposed. Maybe this production of SB will do many of those things, or maybe it won't, but we wont know for sure until it actually opens. I loved Kathryn Evans in Sunset Blvd, but that was about it for that production. It went too far the other way, a spiral staircase, some potted plants and a chaise lounge do not a palazzo make. Honour the original well, or do something different with it, like the 1996 revival of Chicago. That's been my suspicion with this... the pared back, black and white made me think of Chicago revival which put the focus on the score and storytelling. As an avid fan of Sunset Blvd. I'm excited by this production and the idea of something new that is already honoring the score by having a full orchestra and a leading lady that can surely sing the hell out of this. And as I said earlier, SB needs to do something to make the story more accessible to fewer and fewer audiences with any sense of movies/talkies. The main concept of being built up and forgotten - egos, using people, manipulation/delusions of grandeur are all themes that can be exploited for dramatic effect. And NS sounded so off the wall in that interview, I can't wait to see what they've cooked up.
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