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Post by Rory on Nov 15, 2024 9:03:15 GMT
I agree entirely. Madness not to transfer to the West End first instead. Broadway is just so unforgiving and cut-throat. It's Groundhog Day all over again. On another note, I see they have changed the Broadway artwork. And American Psycho That's 3 productions now rushed to broadway and not building on the momentum they have in London. The Almeida for some reason never seems to have the confidence to transfer its musicals to the West End. Spring Awakening too.
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Post by normasturban on Nov 15, 2024 9:11:02 GMT
Almeida aren’t the problem with this one. This was set for a West End transfer (to the Gillian Lynne I believe) but Katie’s pregnancy and scheduling conflicts caused everything to get delayed, they lost their theatre and decided to make the move to Broadway.
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Post by showqueen on Nov 15, 2024 9:28:04 GMT
I'm not sure that taking it into a West End house would have improved its lot on Broadway, although it may have given the show some more buzz. The bunch who pass for critics in the UK are average columnists who know little about theatre and almost nothing about musicals. Just like Groundhog Day and (Bad) Cinderella, which reviewed relatively favourably in the UK, its creators would have had a rude awakening on Broadway. I remember years ago Michael Riedel smirking on an episode of Talkin' Broadway as he warned 'beware the musical from London...' an attitude that still holds true.
It's a shame, albeit a predictable one, that this is bombing on Broadway. But the knowledge and insightful analysis of New York critics is wonderful and its a joy to read their response. The quality of their copy and the word counts make me envious. If London had stronger critical insight, we'd have a healthier ecology that generated better musicals to begin with.
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Post by Jon on Nov 15, 2024 15:38:35 GMT
Almeida aren’t the problem with this one. This was set for a West End transfer (to the Gillian Lynne I believe) but Katie’s pregnancy and scheduling conflicts caused everything to get delayed, they lost their theatre and decided to make the move to Broadway. Also, there is the difficulty of getting a West End theatre in the first place as well. Musicals are more difficult to transfer than plays.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 15, 2024 20:00:44 GMT
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Post by unseaworthy on Nov 15, 2024 20:20:51 GMT
Almeida aren’t the problem with this one. This was set for a West End transfer (to the Gillian Lynne I believe) but Katie’s pregnancy and scheduling conflicts caused everything to get delayed, they lost their theatre and decided to make the move to Broadway. Shouldn't they have recast it if Katie wasn't available?
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Post by Mr Crummles on Nov 16, 2024 9:46:50 GMT
I'm not sure that taking it into a West End house would have improved its lot on Broadway, although it may have given the show some more buzz. The bunch who pass for critics in the UK are average columnists who know little about theatre and almost nothing about musicals. Just like Groundhog Day and (Bad) Cinderella, which reviewed relatively favourably in the UK, its creators would have had a rude awakening on Broadway. I remember years ago Michael Riedel smirking on an episode of Talkin' Broadway as he warned 'beware the musical from London...' an attitude that still holds true. It's a shame, albeit a predictable one, that this is bombing on Broadway. But the knowledge and insightful analysis of New York critics is wonderful and its a joy to read their response. The quality of their copy and the word counts make me envious. If London had stronger critical insight, we'd have a healthier ecology that generated better musicals to begin with. I haven't seen this show, but I don't think there is any reason to worry every time a British musical fails in America. I think it's natural, as they are two different cultures, and British should not expect, or hope for, validation from the Broadway crowds or, more especially, worry about American critique. It's just their view and that doesn't validate or negate the quality of the work that was taken there. Broadway shows have failed to replicate their success in the West End and that doesn't mean they were bad shows. It just means that responses to shows vary depending on the culture. Personally, I think American audiences tend to have difficulties with anything that is somehow critical of their more cherished values (religion, individualism, optimism, Capitalism), whereas the British generally welcome and love original and critical takes on any aspect of life. Just consider British interest around unorthodox productions of Shakespeare, not only local ones, but from around the world. Apart from that, many people, and not only Americans, have an innate attraction to Broadway aesthetics, with its great stress on optimism (even in tragedies), cleanliness, sparkle and order. Other people don't. They appreciate cynicism, ambiguity and darkness. It's probably a bit like the difference between the American and British versions of The Office. Personally, I find many American reviewers rather parochial, and they seem to resent and be almost offended at any attempt to mess with the American formula for Musical Theatre, which they regard as an American art. I think this view impoverishes, constrains and severely limits creativity. Finally, I think it's very hard to define artistic success, but, as it has been pointed out in this board, it is not really dependent on commercial success.
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Post by unseaworthy on Nov 16, 2024 21:54:11 GMT
Can somebody refresh my memory... Was there a rumour of a cast recording for this? If so, what happened to it?
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Post by nash16 on Nov 16, 2024 22:18:27 GMT
Can somebody refresh my memory... Was there a rumour of a cast recording for this? If so, what happened to it? If there was, there definitely won't be now.
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Post by notsotheatrical on Nov 16, 2024 22:21:45 GMT
Can somebody refresh my memory... Was there a rumour of a cast recording for this? If so, what happened to it? They recorded an EP after the Almeida run, obviously that one is not going to see the light off day now. But bits of it have been used in the Broadway marketing clips, I think when Andrew Rannells departed, it probably became limited in what they could use.
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Post by max on Nov 17, 2024 12:05:05 GMT
Very interesting post @mrcrummles. Personally I couldn't feel more distant culturally from the ascendant culture in the USA; and would now happily drive a massive wedge between us - except we've scattered boobytraps on our drawbridge to Europe. Also our trade with the USA ties us to them, and may well see us bullied and blackmailed (as has already started) by the Trump administration.
In 'The Canterville Ghost" Oscar Wilde paradoxically quipped "We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language." Actually I think that our common language lulls us into a false expectation of understanding and cultural similarity, which constantly trips us up.
My hope for the exchange of Arts between the UK and the USA over the next few years is....don't bother.
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