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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 19, 2019 17:22:50 GMT
Go for it, just as long as you don't mess with three holiday flights a year entitlement. You're very keen to remind us of this three holiday flights a year entitlement thing of yours. If you mention it again, that'll make it three mentions, which would have some symmetry to it. Then again, doesn't three flights mean they either remain at their destination, or started there in the first place? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:25:30 GMT
I hardly think an absence of tangible responses to you by some people on a theatre message board "says it all". I wasn't talking just about this board, you made that assumption. I've discussed the same point with many friends, family and colleagues and none of us can come up with any explanation as to how the timing of this protest is in any way beneficial. They're not inconveniencing the very people they want attention from, so the short term positive impact in that respect is non-existent and without some sort of positive momentum in the short term at least the chances of any meaningful long term impact must be lessened. If they don't even have positive publicity with the general public in the short term, then the chances of them being remembered in a positive light and being a catalyst for change are less likely. They aren't managing to increase their numbers, indeed their numbers are falling, so that lessens the likelihood of longer term gains. Their real problem (aside from the terrible timing of their demonstration generally) is that they are struggling to get past the media focusing on examples of their hypocrisy - like Emma Thompson making a speech at Oxford Circus straight off a plane from Los Angeles. Obviously we can't avoid that sort of travel entirely, but it does create unfortunate headlines and social media ridicule rather than huge waves of support. |
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 19, 2019 17:29:27 GMT
I hardly think an absence of tangible responses to you by some people on a theatre message board "says it all". I wasn't talking just about this board, you made that assumption. I've discussed the same point with many friends, family and colleagues and none of us can come up with any explanation as to how the timing of this protest is in any way beneficial. They're not inconveniencing the very people they want attention from, so the short term positive impact in that respect is non-existent and without some sort of positive momentum in the short term at least the chances of any meaningful long term impact must be lessened. If they don't even have positive publicity with the general public in the short term, then the chances of them being remembered in a positive light and being a catalyst for change are less likely. They aren't managing to increase their numbers, indeed their numbers are falling, so that lessens the likelihood of longer term gains. Their real problem (aside from the terrible timing of their demonstration generally) is that they are struggling to get past the media focusing on examples of their hypocrisy - like Emma Thompson making a speech at Oxford Circus straight off a plane from Low Angeles. Obviously we can't avoid that sort of travel entirely, but it does create unfortunate headlines and social media ridicule rather than huge waves of support. Oh well, there it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 17:47:31 GMT
I've now made this point more than once and not received an answer or explanation as to how the protest is actually having any positive impact at all, so I think that rather says it all about the extent to which the timing and methods are ineffectual. I don't dispute the issues are important - they very much are - but the whole way this has been carried out is not and was never going to achieve what they are trying to do. I hardly think an absence of tangible responses to you by some people on a theatre message board "says it all". Regardless of what the protestors thought they might achieve immediately or short term, they are helping to keep visible issues which, as you rightly said, are very important. Are there any specific public protests that have led directly to significant change in the short term? That's not meant as a combative question, it's just that the discussion has raised the question in my mind. Various Eastern European countries had protest led revolutions in the late eighties, some were relatively bloodless such as in the old Czechoslovakia but, generally, blood needed to be spilled to have any effect. These were not only short term but have become long term. For those around at the time, it seemed that anything has become possible, so that what existed didn’t have to keep existing. Each of them, however peaceful, came about in an atmosphere where losing lives was a real possibility, though. Would protests without that level of danger have had any effect? It’s doubtful, revolutions aren’t won by having better arguments. |
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Post by Backdrifter on May 7, 2019 22:37:33 GMT
Meanwhile, the IPBES report.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 9, 2019 11:59:09 GMT
Although these people may come across as annoying tree huggers. There message is a pertinent one. Listen to one of the greatest man to walk the earth and that is David Attenborough.
In 2/3 generations we the humans have succeeded very well in putting the human race first and virtually destroying the planet through greed. I am not here to preach, but a good start and something I try to do is eliminate single use plastics and use of palm oils.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 15:07:27 GMT
Their message is an important one but it's also one that everyone knows. They're not communicating anything: they're preaching to the choir, and the few people whose minds really do need to be changed — such as America's dismal approximation of a president — won't listen.
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Post by Phantom of London on May 11, 2019 22:14:00 GMT
I am ambivalent to these protesters. They’re not communicating anything as their message is one that people do not want to deal with, the environment is an inconvenience, which leads to responsibility and costs more money. Everyone would agree that Trump is inward thinking, hence being nationalist, their narrative now is no one pushes America around, than being a strong voice in a worldwide community and being a powerful of change - the people on this board seem more outward. This planet was virtually all trees, apart from deserts and the artics, we used to have a plentiful amount of oil (an axis of evil,) we are looking at fracking for a future supply, which doesn’t appear to be great with drinking water catching fire and minor earthquakes.
However what America does shouldn’t stop us leading by example and calling an appalling lying president out. Whilst showing mutual respect to our American friends who are more outward in their views and opinions.
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