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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 8:41:49 GMT
The shop owners in Oxford Street are saying they are losing millions in Revenue as people are staying away. However I would think it's the ideal time to go there. Traffic free street no buses and taxis so its practically pedestrianised. Hop on the tube and wander up and down the middle of the street. No fighting for pavement space whilst trying not to get run over by a bus. I was there myself yesterday, and it was slightly quieter than usual. I emerged victorious with a rather fetching pair of pink shorts, so if you ever see me out and about in them you know you can thank (or indeed blame) climate change for their existence. What kind of pink? Hot pink? Baby pink? Candy pink? We need to know!
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Post by andrew on Apr 18, 2019 8:50:21 GMT
I was there myself yesterday, and it was slightly quieter than usual. I emerged victorious with a rather fetching pair of pink shorts, so if you ever see me out and about in them you know you can thank (or indeed blame) climate change for their existence. What kind of pink? Hot pink? Baby pink? Candy pink? We need to know! Embargoed until press night.
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Post by vdcni on Apr 18, 2019 10:06:55 GMT
So among the sneering comments about them being too middle class, living on Daddy's money & living in the modern world can anyone point out what are these other successful approaches that have got the world to move fast enough on climate change as I'm not seeing them. We're running out of time but I'm sure being snide about people pointing that out will have a big effect.
I'm in charge of recruitment where I work and would happily hire people with a passion to do something even if that left them with a criminal record.
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Post by lynette on Apr 18, 2019 12:36:27 GMT
In the nineteenth century, the Thames was full of sh*t and other waste, partly a result of the improved toilet system. Good toilets, bad sewage disposal. Not a single thing was done about it, nothing until the stench was so bad that Members of Parliament could not sit in the Houses of Parliament, they couldn’t breathe. Then they voted all the money needed for the Embankment and sewage system that has lasted out to now despite massive increas in population because the engineers, mainly Bazelglette ( spelling, sorry mate) thought ahead. So lesson is nothing gets done until the people in power actually feel the problem themselves. Climate change will happen, it is happening all the time, ice age anyone? We can help ourselves, our future selves and the flora and fauna with all sorts of changes to our behaviour but until the stench reaches the lawmakers it will be very hard to make serious improvements.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 12:37:37 GMT
Agree with Theatremonkey: peaceful arrests in large numbers is probably the best way to go. This can’t be allowed to stretch on for weeks. Then potentially new legislation if needed, so they can charge these numpties with something resulting in a punishment rather more substantial than a slap on the wrist. They keep talking about their ‘list of demands’ like some kind of hostage taker or terrorist. Fine. Treat them as such, then.
Someone asked what else has worked - David Blunkett wrote a good piece for the Mail stating the actions the UK is taking to combat climate change, and saying how effective the approach taken by Make Poverty History (I think) had been in actually achieving their aims. Rather different to this lot.
Of course the protesters are merrily ignoring the UK’s steps to combat climate change and who can blame them, eh? If they protested in the majority of countries who are to blame for emissions etc they’d meet a rather more robust policing approach!
I’m sure it’s fine to be middle class and be a protester. But you should probably try to take a few steps to practice what you preach. (George Monbiot makes a point of doing this, I read recently.) Instagramming your glitzy foreign holidays probably not the best idea...
Spending weeks in London diverting people from public transport to cars, and making those cars idle their engines as they sit in queues of traffic, seems like a spectacular own goal for climate protesters to me. That’s even before you think of the elderly and disabled people they may have inconvenienced, or the delays to emergency vehicles negotiating their roadblocks.
In short: I think they’re a bunch of thoughtless, self-serving nitwits and the sooner they’re off London’s streets the better. I’m not holding my breath though!!
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Post by poster J on Apr 18, 2019 12:38:44 GMT
what are these other successful approaches that have got the world to move fast enough on climate change as I'm not seeing them. No-one is claiming to have any magic solutions - there aren't any, and in many respects the ship has sailed so the best we can hope for now is that governments do all they can in terms of damage limitation, as climate change is not going to go away. The difficulty is that these protesters seem to be expecting the government to abandon all the other hugely important and complex issues they have to deal with to focus on environmental issues alone - that is both unrealistic and incredibly naive. These issues cannot be tackled in isolation, they interact with and are dependent on other matters such as matters of legal sovereignty, which is itself a bit of a mess right now. Only when that is fixed can the government be in a position to pass meaningful climate change legislation. It will also require buy in from corporations, and it strikes me that damaging their property is unlikely to motivate them to engage. All of that put together means that the current protests are no more the correct solution than anything else that has previously been done. No-one has yet managed to explain what exactly this protest has achieved so far, because aside from a landslide of negative publicity and colossal waste of police resources it doesn't seem to me to have achieved much at all, certainly not anything positive.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 18, 2019 12:54:56 GMT
www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uks-co2-emissions-fell-for-record-sixth-consecutive-year-in-2018I appreciate that we don't exist in a UK bubble and we are impacted by the global situation - but the facts laid out in this article shows that the UK has made significant strides in tackling CO2 production (and yes, I also know that is only part of the issue) But there is a lack of balance in the approach of those involved in the protests. They don't seem to acknowledge where good work has been done. And as has been pointed out by many on here already, making it harder to use public transport is actually going to make air quality/pollution worse for everyone. It reminds me of what happened in Oxford when they introduced 'Traffic Calming' measures in order to reduce air pollution. This did nothing to reduce the amount of traffic - just caused it to move more slowly - which just increased pollution within the city. Good intentions frequently have consequences which are directly opposite to the outcome you were hoping to create. This protest is already getting old. Press coverage is diminishing. The public will get increasingly fed up. They are not winning new people to their point of view - indeed, they are driving people away by their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 13:25:27 GMT
Agree with Theatremonkey: peaceful arrests in large numbers is probably the best way to go. This can’t be allowed to stretch on for weeks. Then potentially new legislation if needed, so they can charge these numpties with something resulting in a punishment rather more substantial than a slap on the wrist. They keep talking about their ‘list of demands’ like some kind of hostage taker or terrorist. Fine. Treat them as such, then. Someone asked what else has worked - David Blunkett wrote a good piece for the Mail stating the actions the UK is taking to combat climate change, and saying how effective the approach taken by Make Poverty History (I think) had been in actually achieving their aims. Rather different to this lot. Of course the protesters are merrily ignoring the UK’s steps to combat climate change and who can blame them, eh? If they protested in the majority of countries who are to blame for emissions etc they’d meet a rather more robust policing approach! I’m sure it’s fine to be middle class and be a protester. But you should probably try to take a few steps to practice what you preach. (George Monbiot makes a point of doing this, I read recently.) Instagramming your glitzy foreign holidays probably not the best idea... Spending weeks in London diverting people from public transport to cars, and making those cars idle their engines as they sit in queues of traffic, seems like a spectacular own goal for climate protesters to me. That’s even before you think of the elderly and disabled people they may have inconvenienced, or the delays to emergency vehicles negotiating their roadblocks. In short: I think they’re a bunch of thoughtless, self-serving nitwits and the sooner they’re off London’s streets the better. I’m not holding my breath though!! Are they really though? They don't strike me as having too much concern for their own welfare and interests before those of others. Some may of course as in every protest but the ones I have seen appear to be more concerned about the planet and its future in general for the next generation rather than themselves. I'm not sure insulting them is the way to go. I'd hope that government would think about how to benefit its future population rather than thinking of new ways to arrest people who say and do what they don't like. I hope it does stretch on for weeks actually, one day protests don't seem to make the government take any notice of things, perhaps something more longer term will. what are these other successful approaches that have got the world to move fast enough on climate change as I'm not seeing them. No-one is claiming to have any magic solutions - there aren't any, and in many respects the ship has sailed so the best we can hope for now is that governments do all they can in terms of damage limitation, as climate change is not going to go away. The difficulty is that these protesters seem to be expecting the government to abandon all the other hugely important and complex issues they have to deal with to focus on environmental issues alone - that is both unrealistic and incredibly naive. These issues cannot be tackled in isolation, they interact with and are dependent on other matters such as matters of legal sovereignty, which is itself a bit of a mess right now. Only when that is fixed can the government be in a position to pass meaningful climate change legislation. It will also require buy in from corporations, and it strikes me that damaging their property is unlikely to motivate them to engage. All of that put together means that the current protests are no more the correct solution than anything else that has previously been done. No-one has yet managed to explain what exactly this protest has achieved so far, because aside from a landslide of negative publicity and colossal waste of police resources it doesn't seem to me to have achieved much at all, certainly not anything positive. I'm not sure that they really want the government to abandon everything else and focus on the environment alone either. But I guess if the environment isn't dealt with as a matter of priority those other hugely important and complex issues won't matter a jot anyway. www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uks-co2-emissions-fell-for-record-sixth-consecutive-year-in-2018I appreciate that we don't exist in a UK bubble and we are impacted by the global situation - but the facts laid out in this article shows that the UK has made significant strides in tackling CO2 production (and yes, I also know that is only part of the issue)But there is a lack of balance in the approach of those involved in the protests. They don't seem to acknowledge where good work has been done. And as has been pointed out by many on here already, making it harder to use public transport is actually going to make air quality/pollution worse for everyone. It reminds me of what happened in Oxford when they introduced 'Traffic Calming' measures in order to reduce air pollution. This did nothing to reduce the amount of traffic - just caused it to move more slowly - which just increased pollution within the city. Good intentions frequently have consequences which are directly opposite to the outcome you were hoping to create. This protest is already getting old. Press coverage is diminishing. The public will get increasingly fed up. They are not winning new people to their point of view - indeed, they are driving people away by their actions. Yes, that's absolutely true of course but as you say, CO2 emissions is only a part of the problem and the fact that they have fallen for the sixth consecutive year is great but (and I could be wrong of course) aren't the protesters trying to highlight the other issues affecting the environment as well?
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Post by jadnoop on Apr 18, 2019 13:59:16 GMT
The protesters are now glued to Jeremy Corbyn's fence. Where is he now going to sit? Indeed. Spot anything rather ironic? Perhaps some environment friendly, reusable bottled water may have been a better choice for refreshment. There's something so childishly pedantic about comments of this sort echoed through this thread. As though someone can't have a problem with climate change unless they only eat what they grow, walk everywhere, and sew their clothes out of fabric found in dumps. I mean, how can they protest climate change while sitting their and exhaling carbon dioxide, those hypocrites! I'll bet they even let out the occasional fart. And if those who take such a judgmental view on others took the same level of pedantry on themselves, I very much doubt they'd come off well. It's pretty much impossible to be a part of modern western society without some of your money going towards things you hate.
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Post by lynette on Apr 18, 2019 14:35:23 GMT
O come on, if you make yourself a media photo op, get the details right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 14:46:33 GMT
Indeed. Spot anything rather ironic? Perhaps some environment friendly, reusable bottled water may have been a better choice for refreshment. There's something so childishly pedantic about comments of this sort echoed through this thread. As though someone can't have a problem with climate change unless they only eat what they grow, walk everywhere, and sew their clothes out of fabric found in dumps. I mean, how can they protest climate change while sitting their and exhaling carbon dioxide, those hypocrites! I'll bet they even let out the occasional fart. And if those who take such a judgmental view on others took the same level of pedantry on themselves, I very much doubt they'd come off well. It's pretty much impossible to be a part of modern western society without some of your money going towards things you hate. I don't agree, sorry. I believe here a strong case of practise what you preach should apply, at least with the basics like bottled water. Some things we have a choice on, others we can not dictate. We can't change the chemical compound that we produce as a function of breathing, but we can change the amount of resources we use on a daily basis - and that is what this protest is about. Changing our habits in a way that could help prevent (or at least reduce) ecological destruction. I'll happily admit I'm flawed in many ways, but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 18, 2019 15:59:08 GMT
I don't agree, sorry. I believe here a strong case of practise what you preach should apply, at least with the basics like bottled water. How do you know those bottles haven't been re-used repeatedly? I've got a few plastic bottles kicking around that I refill from the tap. It's like people are looking for excuses to dismiss the protesters - 'oh, look, there's a plastic bottle in the photo, that means I don't have to listen to them! Lalalalala!! Climate change won't affect me or my children!'
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Post by jadnoop on Apr 18, 2019 16:20:17 GMT
There's something so childishly pedantic about comments of this sort echoed through this thread. As though someone can't have a problem with climate change unless they only eat what they grow, walk everywhere, and sew their clothes out of fabric found in dumps. I mean, how can they protest climate change while sitting their and exhaling carbon dioxide, those hypocrites! I'll bet they even let out the occasional fart. And if those who take such a judgmental view on others took the same level of pedantry on themselves, I very much doubt they'd come off well. It's pretty much impossible to be a part of modern western society without some of your money going towards things you hate. I don't agree, sorry. I believe here a strong case of practise what you preach should apply, at least with the basics like bottled water. Some things we have a choice on, others we can not dictate. We can't change the chemical compound that we produce as a function of breathing, but we can change the amount of resources we use on a daily basis - and that is what this protest is about. Changing our habits in a way that could help prevent (or at least reduce) ecological destruction. I'll happily admit I'm flawed in many ways, but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion. Clearly, the comment about breathing & farting was a joke. My point is that how much you 'practice what you preach' isn't a question of absolutes. You might consider that bottled water is one of "the basics", but someone else might draw the line somewhere else. They might think that public transport, recycled clothing, buying locally grown food, or not supporting certain multi-nationals is "the basics". Neither argument is objectively wrong, not least because how much anyone is able to change their behaviour is entirely dependent on circumstances (as illustrated by kathryn ). Turning 'caring about something' into a game of one-upmanship rather than trying to engage with the topic is silly and unending, since there's always someone else who could argue that your actions to be hypocritical and unsubstantial. It brings to mind this wonderful sketch from The Simpsons
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 18, 2019 17:00:45 GMT
They are right to keep an important issue visible. It's *a* way of doing it, among other ways as pointed out above, and in some ways perhaps not perfect but there is no magic silver bullet approach. I'm sure they know their current actions in themselves aren't going to suddenly make the government or any other players do more but the whole process of addressing climate issues is long term and it does no harm to keep it visible. That's what the schoolchildren were doing with their protests but some of the reactions that drew, the dismissal, assumptions, mocking and sneering condescension of them, while expected was still unsavoury and pretty disgraceful. It said a hell of a lot about the people who reacted that way.
When anyone, of any age group, social demographic, food and travel habits and bottled water preference, makes the effort to publicly protest something I choose to assume they are genuinely concerned, interested and engaged enough about that issue - whatever it is, including stuff I may not agree with - to have made that effort. Such people will be at the core of protests, marches etc but we know these well-intentioned demonstrations can be piggy-backed by intentional troublemakers, though I don't think that's happening with this one.
It saddens me that anyone in any way speaking out about anything climate-related is automatically met with the kinds of reactions seen in some of the above posts, which side-step the main issue and attack those raising it, using the usual worn-out tropes about class and age, and the predictable attempts at brinkmanship that spring from them. As was mentioned earlier, western life makes it hard for individuals to fully remove themselves from behaviours that in some way contribute to the issues concerned.
There is debate and discussion to be had and it's important to do that as it is with any issue. Climate is one where there is stark polarisation and both sides demonise each other but we've got to be better than that.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 18, 2019 17:28:46 GMT
That's what the schoolchildren were doing with their protests but some of the reactions that drew, the dismissal, assumptions, mocking and sneering condescension of them, while expected was still unsavoury and pretty disgraceful. It said a hell of a lot about the people who reacted that way. The School strike protests are an interesting case in point. Evidence from teachers I know suggests very strongly that a good number of those involved were using it as an attempt to miss school without being caught. Certainly the numbers attending the Oxford event during the Easter holiday showed a massive drop off in attendance. Knowing the children involved, it seemed clear to the teachers that the ones who weren't there were those who were more concerned about missing school than anything else involved in the issue. I do not doubt the sincerity of those leading the strike movement - they seem very committed to the cause. In the case of one particular student, he is ruining his chances of good exam results because of the time he is giving to the protests - with his predicted grades of A and A* being revised down to C or lower. He might well argue that this is more important - but he would surely stand a better chance of bringing about change by getting a good education and using that to build a career related to improving climate outcomes. Teenagers can have a real understanding of the issues - and it is good to see them being engaged politically. But when you see very young primary age children at these events, it is because their parents have made them attend. Nothing more, nothing less. They are being used - and that is distasteful. We can all make small adjustments that collectively make a bigger difference. Engaging people in those sorts of activities can lead to change. The aims of the current protests are not achievable. We cannot be a zero carbon country by 2025 - it is not possible even with 100% commitment from every citizen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 17:33:11 GMT
I don't agree, sorry. I believe here a strong case of practise what you preach should apply, at least with the basics like bottled water. How do you know those bottles haven't been re-used repeatedly? I've got a few plastic bottles kicking around that I refill from the tap. It's like people are looking for excuses to dismiss the protesters - 'oh, look, there's a plastic bottle in the photo, that means I don't have to listen to them! Lalalalala!! Climate change won't affect me or my children!' I mean, all I was doing was posting what I found rather ironic. Not sure how you've managed to completely mangle that to interpret it as denial, specifically climate change denial.
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Post by kathryn on Apr 18, 2019 17:42:50 GMT
I think there’s a difference between denial as a psychological mechanism that we are all prone to and climate change denial as a specific political belief that is intentionally held. I was referring to the former, not the latter. It does tend to involve people finding justifications to dismiss the point - in this case, the idea that these protestors do not ‘practice what they preach’, and therefore do not live up to a purity test that makes them worthy to be listened to.
Which just seems bizarre to me because honestly it’s not like climate change is only going to affect working class people or vegans or something. It’ll impact us all regardless of how well we manage to reduce our carbon footprint.
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 18, 2019 17:54:17 GMT
The School strike protests are an interesting case in point. Evidence from teachers I know suggests very strongly that a good number of those involved were using it as an attempt to miss school without being caught. Certainly the numbers attending the Oxford event during the Easter holiday showed a massive drop off in attendance. Knowing the children involved, it seemed clear to the teachers that the ones who weren't there were those who were more concerned about missing school than anything else involved in the issue. I do not doubt the sincerity of those leading the strike movement - they seem very committed to the cause. In the case of one particular student, he is ruining his chances of good exam results because of the time he is giving to the protests - with his predicted grades of A and A* being revised down to C or lower. He might well argue that this is more important - but he would surely stand a better chance of bringing about change by getting a good education and using that to build a career related to improving climate outcomes. Again, why the focus on the negatives? I don't doubt what you said about what you learned from those teachers. That's going to happen, unfortunately. Is it true of all of them? Does it invalidate all the protests here and in other countries? Christ in heaven we are down to the level of whether a guy will get his A* grade. It won't end his prospects for all time and terminally cut off all possibilities of a career in ending climate change. Is this really what we have to scrabble around to find in order to question these protests?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 18, 2019 18:02:15 GMT
I didn't say it was all of them
Indeed I praised the fact that those leading things were being politically active
So I was looking at both positive and negative aspects of this particular part of the protest. In parts there are dedicated young people who are passionate about making a difference. In other parts there are young people using these strikes to get time off school. And there are adults using young children for political ends - and I despise that whatever the cause.
When those leading the protests make great play over the number of school age children involved, it is necessary to interrogate those numbers and the intentions behind those participating.
One local headteacher required all those who wanted to attend a strike day to answer a few simple questions about why they wanted to attend and what they hoped to achieve. If they were unable or unwilling to respond, they were denied permission to attend - and would be treated as having truanted. That, to my mind, is a responsible way of handling things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 18:06:58 GMT
The School strike protests are an interesting case in point. Evidence from teachers I know suggests very strongly that a good number of those involved were using it as an attempt to miss school without being caught. Certainly the numbers attending the Oxford event during the Easter holiday showed a massive drop off in attendance. Knowing the children involved, it seemed clear to the teachers that the ones who weren't there were those who were more concerned about missing school than anything else involved in the issue. I do not doubt the sincerity of those leading the strike movement - they seem very committed to the cause. In the case of one particular student, he is ruining his chances of good exam results because of the time he is giving to the protests - with his predicted grades of A and A* being revised down to C or lower. He might well argue that this is more important - but he would surely stand a better chance of bringing about change by getting a good education and using that to build a career related to improving climate outcomes. Again, why the focus on the negatives? I don't doubt what you said about what you learned from those teachers. That's going to happen, unfortunately. Is it true of all of them? Does it invalidate all the protests here and in other countries? Christ in heaven we are down to the level of whether a guy will get his A* grade. It won't end his prospects for all time and terminally cut off all possibilities of a career in ending climate change. Is this really what we have to scrabble around to find in order to question these protests? It might if he’s smart enough for an elite university - they’ll probably look for a minimum of variations across grades historically. Certainly as someone who occasionally runs recruitment I do the same. In response to people saying folks like me don’t want to engage with/debate the issue: would happily debate. This lot aren’t interested in that. It’s clear from how they refer to their ‘demands’. It’s clear from how they fielded a man who couldn’t take a modicum of criticism from a recognised ‘difficult’ journalist (who was only putting to him what a lot of us think, which is his job) and chose to flee the studio. It’s clear from the fact they’re doing this while parliament’s in recess so literally the only people they’re inconveniencing are the public, and hard-pressed retailers. Sorry, but I’m not much inclined to debate with someone who’s doing the equivalent of smacking me over the head, threatening me and then expecting me to have a nice chat.
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 18, 2019 19:03:28 GMT
It might if he’s smart enough for an elite university - they’ll probably look for a minimum of variations across grades historically. Maybe. Maybe not. Or it might propel him in another direction that suits him. Who knows? Who cares? This bloke's exams are completely irrelevant.
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 18, 2019 19:06:05 GMT
After seeing Downstate last night I walked over and back on Waterloo Bridge and was surprised how small scale the protest is - perhaps a couple of hundred at best. There weren't many more on the bridge than were in the Dorfman. Beforehand, there were definitely more at the river side pub by the NT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 19:10:40 GMT
It might if he’s smart enough for an elite university - they’ll probably look for a minimum of variations across grades historically. Maybe. Maybe not. Or it might propel him in another direction that suits him. Who knows? Who cares? This bloke's exams are completely irrelevant. Agreed, I couldn’t care less about his exams. Entirely his decision. But then I think the whole debacle is completely irrelevant.
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Post by Latecomer on Apr 18, 2019 20:06:47 GMT
I think maybe the point of these protests and the school protests is that we haven’t got time to mess about anymore and our Government does not seem serious about tackling climate change.....where are the renewable energy investments? And we live in a country with wind and surrounded by waves, with mountains and rivers and the technology to make new generation batteries.....it’s not rocket science is it? We should be 100% renewable energy.Get on with it....create a department, get the best scientists on it, give out money for the best projects in each region, have a prize competition for the best ideas from universities, buy back all those diesel cars you made people buy as they were better for the environment, get green issues put at the heart of ALL planning applications, pay farmers for hosting solar panels, come on come on, be drastic!!!! This is an EMERGENCY and pretty soon your exam results wont matter as you wont be able to thrive in this country....because of global issues linked to global warming. We should be at the forefront of creating something amazing.....this could be our new NHS! When that was invented it was radical, seemed impossible.....we need radical change and we need politicians with genuinely radical solutions. People are getting increasingly frustrated that Government shows no sign of realising what is important.
Plus we are all talking about it, so they must be doing something right (and don't tell me ANYONE would have been on here talking about it if they had organised a nice well behaved march)
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Post by londonpostie on Apr 18, 2019 20:16:46 GMT
tbh, my takeaway from this is how it has not registered with the middle class, many of whom spent today jetting off to sunnier climes for the family Easter break - probably after a skiing trip earlier and the summer hols later. At the very least many people I know in London are entitled to three plane-trip holidays a year, the property owners anyway. Others, of course, still plan bus trips to the food bank.
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Post by apubleed on Apr 18, 2019 20:22:41 GMT
I have a suggestion for some: instead of threatening to close Heathrow Airport why don’t you go and be entrepreneurial, do a PhD and find the solution for renewable energy in a commercial aviation context. With fuel often being one of the largest overheads for airlines they are dying for a cheaper alternative. But so far the technology just doesn’t exist. Instead of complaining about the problem, please come up with the solution.
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Post by Backdrifter on Apr 18, 2019 20:26:39 GMT
I have a suggestion for some: instead of threatening to close Heathrow Airport why don’t you go and be entrepreneurial, do a PhD and find the solution for renewable energy in a commercial aviation context. Blimey. I had no idea they had to literally do EITHER one OR the other. Funny isn't it, the starkly black or white binary choices life throws up.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Apr 18, 2019 20:53:16 GMT
Renewable energy production rose by 230% between 2009 and 2017 (most recent figures I have been able to find)
There are many new regulations to ensure that new builds, new cars, new white goods meet stricter energy targets
It is wrong to say that nothing is being done. You might not believe it to be enough - but action is being taken. There is a debate about what action and at what speed. But it helps no-one to pretend that nothing is being done. Acknowledge what is good and be constructive about what should happen going forward.
Setting demands for a carbon free society within 6 years is not realistic. Not even close.
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Post by kimbahorel on Apr 18, 2019 21:11:17 GMT
I'm not going to lie. I really don't care anymore. My bus route is effected and I have spend a ton of money I don't have the last few days trying to get to work via tubes. No idea how I will make my early morning shifts because no trains are running at the times I leave usually. Its not practical for me to walk miles into work because I am on my feet for 8 hours I can't manage it. Plus I would be sweaty and horrible which isn't appropriate. I have bad people/crowd anxiety if I know large crowds are about I get panicky and avoid like the plague. This is not helping my mental state right now.
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