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Post by danb on Jun 16, 2019 15:30:25 GMT
So I am only one stop away on the Metropolitan Line from Wembley so took myself off on Friday night to buy myself a ticket. I was quoted £146.00! Needless to say I put my Credit Card back into my wallet and put my wallet back intent back pocket and walked away. (Genuinely) I hope that everyone had a great time but that price is out of my price range and I went home and zigga-ziggiad at home alone and watched Madonna on Graham Norton They do appear to have sold really well in London. Didn’t know if they were overreaching with all those stadium dates but they should have done the trick for Mel B’s divorce settlement, free up some spare cash to prop up Red Bull racing and buy Mel C a few more tracksuits. Emma looks like she’s good with money so I doubt shes ever struggled. Fair play to them. Hope this doesn’t set a blueprint for acts doing stadiums rather than smaller, longer tours. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 16:34:59 GMT
I don't know exactly what crowds they drew apart from hearing 58K quoted for Dublin which isn't near a sell out but still a huge crowd to draw. The fact that they did 3 nights in Manchester and London must have meant there was a big demand there and from the amount of people in the Midlands who said how rammed public transport was after the Coventry gigs those must have done fairly well too.
In stadiums you can still get a big crowd but maybe only 70% full and these were the largest stadiums in the country they were doing. Plus it raining most of last week may have put more casual fans off going along last minute.
Mel B may have needed some ready cash for her divorce settlement but throw in the ticket, merch sales, increased album sales on the back of the tour and all girls have probably made a killing from this and I doubt any were exactly hard up before hand given what I have read.
I'm surprised it wasn't filmed for an autumn DVD release though.
There has been talk of a possible tour down under and no doubt there would be demand in Europe and possibly US.
Acts reforming have often done stadiums and the girls did first time round too. Some will do arenas, some stadiums, some do a mixture etc.
I could see the girls doing an O2 Dome residency in the next few years too.
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Post by mistressjojo on Jun 16, 2019 23:30:52 GMT
There has been talk of a possible tour down under and no doubt there would be demand in Europe and possibly US. Acts reforming have often done stadiums and the girls did first time round too. Some will do arenas, some stadiums, some do a mixture etc. I could see the girls doing an O2 Dome residency in the next few years too. Seems Mel B has now back tracked on the Australian tour . On a local radio show this morning she admitted she made it up, and there's no concrete plans for a tour. She just wants it to happen so thought if she stirred things up it would get things moving. |
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jun 17, 2019 0:41:23 GMT
So I am only one stop away on the Metropolitan Line from Wembley so took myself off on Friday night to buy myself a ticket. I was quoted £146.00! Needless to say I put my Credit Card back into my wallet and put my wallet back intent back pocket and walked away. (Genuinely) I hope that everyone had a great time but that price is out of my price range and I went home and zigga-ziggiad at home alone and watched Madonna on Graham Norton Bad- I know- but my father used to always get tickets off the touts for concerts and events wherever we were, so didn't feel so nervous. And like you on a whim went to the box office and was quoted £220 Spice Circle VIP package as that's all they had 4 of left. So I walked up to tout and asked what he had- 4 spice circle tickets for £40 each as the show was starting in around 20 minutes! What a ball we had- reliving all of our childhood. One of the most atmospheric concerts I've been to in a long time. Every person in that stadium went to have a good time, and it was very audible. Hearing everyone scream and shout the lyrics filled me with joy! Would go again in a heartbeat, no doubt they'll be back in 2 or so years! I get why people can be wary of them, but the vast majority of them have been doing it for 40+ years and are just trying to put dinner on the table. I haven't had an issue with in-person touts at all. Worth noting that every one I asked were selling tickets for BELOW face value, which surprised me! I do however despise of online touts; 'viagogo, StubHub' etc So glad sites like Twickets have gained traction over the years! Also just to add, me and 2 mates went back to Wembley to see Fleetwood Mac tonight and paid £30 an hour before it started, again from touts. Sat on the floor in B4. An amazing concert, nowhere near as much production or atmosphere as spice girls, but still a great night, seeing a band I always wanted to see. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 1:06:21 GMT
I'm sorry, but your attitude to touts really makes me angry.
Not everyone lives 5 minutes from a concert venue so they can go and take advantage of last minute cheap deals, and when they buy the tickets initially the touts are preventing genuine fans from being able to get tickets so they can make plans to go. They do that knowing that they have no intention of attending and are going to do their best to get desperate fans to pay over face value to attend a sold out event. They will only reduce to below face value right before the show starts because some money is better than nothing, but that's far too late for most genuine fans to have a hope of getting there.
It's nothing to do with being wary of them, more that it's deplorable no matter what the circumstances and I am astonished anyone would encourage any form of touting.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jun 17, 2019 12:47:18 GMT
I'm sorry, but your attitude to touts really makes me angry. Not everyone lives 5 minutes from a concert venue so they can go and take advantage of last minute cheap deals, and when they buy the tickets initially the touts are preventing genuine fans from being able to get tickets so they can make plans to go. They do that knowing that they have no intention of attending and are going to do their best to get desperate fans to pay over face value to attend a sold out event. They will only reduce to below face value right before the show starts because some money is better than nothing, but that's far too late for most genuine fans to have a hope of getting there. It's nothing to do with being wary of them, more that it's deplorable no matter what the circumstances and I am astonished anyone would encourage any form of touting. Well I don’t live 5 minutes away; I live around an hour away. Face-to-face touts I don’t have a big *issue* with. I do understand where you are coming from with this. Touts do buy them up, then sell them- online for profit. But most of these are young computer geeks or the companies themselves. It came out a few years ago that viagogo employ around 100 people (likely to be more now) to buy tickets for their website. The have a big folder full of credit card and the address’ and info that go along with them. These are what snap the tickets up. As much talk there is of doing something, still nothing has been done to stop it. That’s what infuriates me. People moan about people buying loads of tickets- this can easily be stopped if the government stopped all secondary ticket sales- yet it continues to thrive. The touts who operate at the football etc are normally older men, who just buy the tickets on the day of and then sell them again. After speaking to a few there, and the man we bought ours from both nights, he buys his on the day of from fans who have spare tickets. He normally works the football matches and has done for 42 years. He didn’t like the rise of online hiked up prices, and I’m fairly sure he wouldn’t have been able to use a bot to snap up 100 tickets to sell at the stadium! The people we sat next to at Fleetwood Mac sold him them for £25 each the morning of the show as they couldn’t get rid of them online. Lovely couple that had come from Birmingham to see them for the 15th time! Call me old fashioned, but it’s been going for years, and I don’t think stopping 10 men selling at the stadium will make sure all concerts are full of fans. Ticketmaster and ticketing companies tell everyone at every concert I’ve been to to take ID with names matching the holder etc. But not once have I heard of anyone being asked for it or it be checked. I really think the only way to make sure it’s full of real fans is to do what Hamilton is doing right now. Granted it takes longer, but just put a lot of people on the doors and tell people to get there early. Secondary ticket markets are killing this, and ought to be stopped and shut down altogether, but the problem lies online, not with in-person touts. |
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jun 17, 2019 12:53:19 GMT
I'm sorry, but your attitude to touts really makes me angry. Not everyone lives 5 minutes from a concert venue so they can go and take advantage of last minute cheap deals, and when they buy the tickets initially the touts are preventing genuine fans from being able to get tickets so they can make plans to go. They do that knowing that they have no intention of attending and are going to do their best to get desperate fans to pay over face value to attend a sold out event. They will only reduce to below face value right before the show starts because some money is better than nothing, but that's far too late for most genuine fans to have a hope of getting there. It's nothing to do with being wary of them, more that it's deplorable no matter what the circumstances and I am astonished anyone would encourage any form of touting. Also worth noting that no matter how big or high profile the show or concert, it’s never truly ‘sold out’ You can most always find production release about a week before in the run up to the show. And all arenas and stadium have tickets to sell on the morning of. The Hydro in Glasgow said they hold 300 tickets until health and saftey sign the off, they go on sale at midday on the day of. This is how Me and my family went to Hugh Jackman a few weeks ago. The o2 Arena sell the tickets at 10am when they open; how I got a 3rd row ticket to see Beyonce. And Wembley Stadium release tickets at 5pm the evening of the concert; how I managed to get my parents tickets for Billy Joel a couple of years ago. |
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jun 17, 2019 12:56:50 GMT
I'm sorry, but your attitude to touts really makes me angry. Not everyone lives 5 minutes from a concert venue so they can go and take advantage of last minute cheap deals, and when they buy the tickets initially the touts are preventing genuine fans from being able to get tickets so they can make plans to go. They do that knowing that they have no intention of attending and are going to do their best to get desperate fans to pay over face value to attend a sold out event. They will only reduce to below face value right before the show starts because some money is better than nothing, but that's far too late for most genuine fans to have a hope of getting there. It's nothing to do with being wary of them, more that it's deplorable no matter what the circumstances and I am astonished anyone would encourage any form of touting. It’s not just secondary vendors doing it- Ticketmaster keep hundreds and list them as ‘platinum seats’ you don’t get nothing else with them. No VIP package, just the same seat and a bigger profit for ticketmaser. It’s all so backwards and shows no signs of being fixed. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 17, 2019 13:03:49 GMT
I think that when we started to get charged an admin fee to print our own tickets at home, with our own printer, paper and ink, it was an absolute confirmation that whole industry is rotten to the core.
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Post by Mark on Jun 17, 2019 16:47:32 GMT
Has there ever been a catchier pop ballad than “Goodbye”? It won’t leave my head alone.
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Post by xanady on Jun 17, 2019 17:59:38 GMT
Lot of interesting and thought-provoking discussion on this thread regarding touts.
I have previously described them on the board as ‘odious parasites’ and I stand by that mainly because I would question their employment status in terms of them obvs not declaring their income and therefore not paying tax.They flout the law and are therefore criminals.People who buy from them risk not being able to enter the venue if the ticket is fake.Glad they were taking a financial hit on the Spice Girls gigs,they deserve it.
Only used a tout once in my life for a sold-out Madonna gig and saved a bundle,but I hated myself for going against my principles.It was a special bday present for my wife who had been ill,but I know that is no excuse!
The big problem is with the promoters themselves and the secondary sites but the law should be more enforceable at every level.Agree with Burly Bear that the whole industry stinks to high heaven in terms of ticketing,booking fees,admin fees and God knows what else.
In the end it’s all about the money!
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Post by daisy24601 on Jun 17, 2019 18:40:57 GMT
Has there ever been a catchier pop ballad than “Goodbye”? It won’t leave my head alone. It's a beautiful, heartbreaking song and can be related to so many situations. Maybe my favourite of their songs. |
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Post by shady23 on Jun 17, 2019 20:05:32 GMT
The touts used to be lads hanging around outside venues.
Now its far more complex.
It's everyday people who need two tickets but buy six when they go on sale so they can sell the rest and recoup their money but the worst touts are the artists themselves. They have seen how much money people are making from secondary markets and they want a cut. A very very famous international star told me everyone does this and it's to stop the touts. It doesn't stop the touts. They do this as well. Record companies put big chunks of tickets directly onto the resale sites to make more money.
Then, if that wasn't enough, there's the modern madness of quadruple the normal ticket price, give people a souvenier cheap tote bag and a lanyard and pretend this is a VIP experience. It's not, it's just another for of touting. Several hundred pounds to sit anywhere near the front? No thank you.
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Post by latefortheoverture on Jun 17, 2019 20:56:51 GMT
The touts used to be lads hanging around outside venues. Now its far more complex. It's everyday people who need two tickets but buy six when they go on sale so they can sell the rest and recoup their money but the worst touts are the artists themselves. They have seen how much money people are making from secondary markets and they want a cut. A very very famous international star told me everyone does this and it's to stop the touts. It doesn't stop the touts. They do this as well. Record companies put big chunks of tickets directly onto the resale sites to make more money. Then, if that wasn't enough, there's the modern madness of quadruple the normal ticket price, give people a souvenier cheap tote bag and a lanyard and pretend this is a VIP experience. It's not, it's just another for of touting. Several hundred pounds to sit anywhere near the front? No thank you. That's right. The lads out the front aren't harming it. It's the cash grabbing executives and venues. If the artists/companies/venues/whoever wanted something done; they could. But they're all involved someway or another and earning off of the back of it. The o2 arena encourages people to buy from StubHub, why not encourage them to go to Twickets where the tickets are all face value and under? They even have StubHub screens in and around the venue, where you can buy last-minute overpriced tickets and get them printed straight there and then. No doubt the o2 are having a nice share of it.... Don't care what you say everyone in the industry are at it one way or another. |
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Post by shady23 on Jun 17, 2019 21:55:05 GMT
Artists and shows like Hamilton have shown you can eliminate touts entirely by checking ID and booking card on entry. These days with the new technology it can be done as quickly as the usual ticket check yet many artists have chosen not to go down this route and I question their reasons why.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 23:45:56 GMT
According to an advert in Music Week the Spice Girls played to 688,000 across 13 sell out concerts on their recent tour. I didn't think all dates had been sell outs but if the box office numbers are legit then that is an impressive feat.
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