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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 19:29:05 GMT
I think there is some stunningly beautiful music in Hamilton. Listened to it again at the weekend and many times found myself thinking that. The rap-ier sections, where the music might not be to everyone's taste, impress with their lyrical ability instead. This is so true. I was just listening to 'We Know' which I think most people would consider to be musically unremarkable but the wordplay and lyricism near the end is so, so good: She courted me Escorted me to bed And when she had me in a corner that's when Reynolds extorted me For a sordid fee I paid him quarterly I may have mortally wounded my prospects but my papers are orderly As you can see I kept a record of every check In my checkered history Check it again against your list n'see Consistency I never spent a cent that wasn't mine You sent the dogs after my scent That's fine Yes I have reasons for shame But I have not committed treason and sullied my good name As you can see I have done nothing to provoke legal action Are my answers to your satisfaction? |
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Post by Steffi on Nov 26, 2016 7:50:45 GMT
Also while it is mainly hip hop I think there are some beautiful melodies in the show. Obviously nothing will ever be for everyone. Tastes are different. But there's no denying the score is clever and really well done both lyrically and musically.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 8:22:12 GMT
I was looking through the tracklist the other day and I actually think it's only about 50% hip-hop. There's a ton of sung stuff in there.
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Post by jek on Nov 27, 2016 14:21:51 GMT
Just been to a free preview of the Disney movie Moana which features the music of Lin Manuel Miranda. Went with my Hamilton obsessed 15 year old daughter who couldn't stop raving about how good the music was. My 17 year old son (a big Dwayne the Rock Johnson fan - he was one of the lead voice actors) and I also really enjoyed the film. Having seen In The Heights I thought I could hear that some of the music originated from the same pen - but I'm no expert. We were trying to work out on the way back what the merchandise for the movie would look like. Wouldn't be surprised if it was of Frozen proportions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 14:31:00 GMT
Just been to a free preview of the Disney movie Moana which features the music of Lin Manuel Miranda. Went with my Hamilton obsessed 15 year old daughter who couldn't stop raving about how good the music was. My 17 year old son (a big Dwayne the Rock Johnson fan - he was one of the lead voice actors) and I also really enjoyed the film. Having seen In The Heights I thought I could hear that some of the music originated from the same pen - but I'm no expert. We were trying to work out on the way back what the merchandise for the movie would look like. Wouldn't be surprised if it was of Frozen proportions. Do you think this could be the one that finishes his EGOT? He only needs an oscar to have won all four major awards. |
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Post by ctas on Nov 27, 2016 16:38:30 GMT
I saw Moana yesterday and the music is great but I don't feel any of the songs are as strong as Let It Go etc. The overall musical sound is lovely and the arrangements and lyrics wonderful. That said, I don't know what else could be in the original song running. I suppose there's also score awards too! I admit my first thought when hearing LMM was going to be writing for Disney was along the EGOT lines!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:51:47 GMT
I follow the Oscar race closely. There are two frontrunners for original song - Moana and La La Land. The song 'How Far I'll Go' will likely be Lin's Oscar push and is currently sitting nicely at #7 on US iTunes, which Let It Go didn't get to until January. I personally think the Moana soundtrack is far superior to Frozen, although it wont be as popular with kids (no overly repetitive choruses). It also tells story through song in a way that Frozen didn't. It has the most consistently good Disney music since the 90s.
He has a good chance, but La La Land is probably going to win Best Picture so there's no clear frontrunner here between the two.
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Post by westendcub on Nov 27, 2016 17:01:47 GMT
I went to see a preview of 'Moana' last night (wonderful new Disney Princess feature) and was so impressed with Lin-Manuels beautiful score that has his signature sound mixed in with classic empowerment Disney.
I really hope he can win the Oscar for 'How Far I'll Go' which is big number that's it's 'Let it Go' the reprise is amazing along with 'I am Moana'. I adore 'You're Welcome' which is a fun catchy number sung by Dwayne 'The Rock' and Lin is in his element with 'Where you are' and 'We know the way'.
Recommend checking out the soundtrack for the brilliant 'More' (and it's reprise) which was not included. It's excellent but too similar to HFIG so understand why they decided to not include it.
I love it and it's another musical score that Disney do so well at!!
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Post by ctas on Nov 27, 2016 17:48:22 GMT
I follow the Oscar race closely. There are two frontrunners for original song - Moana and La La Land. The song 'How Far I'll Go' will likely be Lin's Oscar push and is currently sitting nicely at #7 on US iTunes, which Let It Go didn't get to until January. I personally think the Moana soundtrack is far superior to Frozen, although it wont be as popular with kids (no overly repetitive choruses). It also tells story through song in a way that Frozen didn't. It has the most consistently good Disney music since the 90s. He has a good chance, but La La Land is probably going to win Best Picture so there's no clear frontrunner here between the two. The musical structure of Frozen in general was weird - the last song was that comedy one by the trolls! It wasn't very traditional Disney. I've been listening to the Moana songs more today and the arrangements are just lovely. I'm going to be singing the "consider the coconut" line all week... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 17:56:19 GMT
The musical structure of Frozen in general was weird - the last song was that comedy one by the trolls! It wasn't very traditional Disney. I've been listening to the Moana songs more today and the arrangements are just lovely. I'm going to be singing the "consider the coconut" line all week... Yeah, the first half of Frozen had a lot of songs, and then in the second part of the film there wasn't a single song. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 22:51:22 GMT
A lot of Disney movies fizzle out the songs when the shizzle hits the fan. Even looking at the Moana soundtrack, there are basically 12 songs (not including pop covers or instrumental score), and having given them a listen, I'd be willing to bet money that at least 8 of them take place in the first half of the film. The other 4 are fairly short, and 2 are basically reprises, so... yeah, something of a fizzling here. And it's not really surprising.
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Post by westendcub on Nov 28, 2016 8:07:30 GMT
A lot of Disney movies fizzle out the songs when the shizzle hits the fan. Even looking at the Moana soundtrack, there are basically 12 songs (not including pop covers or instrumental score), and having given them a listen, I'd be willing to bet money that at least 8 of them take place in the first half of the film. The other 4 are fairly short, and 2 are basically reprises, so... yeah, something of a fizzling here. And it's not really surprising. I'm not going to give things away but Disney's 'Moana' brings back songs towards its finale that move the story forward and are important to its structure, something that 'Frozen' forgot to do after having a glorious musical beginning and middle, something no doubt that will be addressed in the stage adaption. I'm going to be seeing this one again but in 3D format as preview was 2D, may have just listened to all the songs again!! It will be 'Hamilton Mix Tape' from Friday!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 8:51:43 GMT
So the Hamilton Mixtape has been released today (as well as Moana in the UK!). A lot of good stuff on there.
On another note, the mixtape is currently #3 on UK iTunes album charts. I think anyone wondering whether this show will do well over here has their question answered for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 8:58:07 GMT
Does anyone else think the mixtape kind of sucks? They're just bad version of the original songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 8:59:49 GMT
Just wait, someone will be along in a minute to explain in painstaking detail how an album is more easily accessible than a theatre ticket and how the popularity of what by rights should be an extremely niche album (what's the crossover audience for musical theatre and hiphop/rap/etc REALLY?) doesn't mean a damn thing.  There are some great tracks, I've had a bit of an emotional morning listening to it so far. I feel like the ones that take the show as inspiration are greater than the more straightforward cover versions, but there's not a dud on there. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:01:56 GMT
Does anyone else think the mixtape kind of sucks? They're just bad version of the original songs. Well no, there's also remixes on there which are completely different to the original songs as well as cut stuff. I agree the covers are weaker than the remixes but I wouldn't call them bad. Helpless, History Has Its Eyes on You and Burn especially are great. The fact that they don't quite match up to the originals is more of a testament to how great the original cast was than it is to these versions being bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:05:22 GMT
I like that Congratulations has found its way on here, because I think it's a great song, but I also think cutting it from the show was the right thing to do for Angelica's character (and also in real life she chose to elope with her husband so although I appreciate the musical is heavily fictionalised I do think that's a characterisation disservice too far).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:06:24 GMT
Does anyone else think the mixtape kind of sucks? They're just bad version of the original songs. Well no, there's also remixes on there which are completely different to the original songs as well as cut stuff. I agree the covers are weaker than the remixes but I wouldn't call them bad. Helpless, History Has Its Eyes on You and Burn especially are great. The fact that they don't quite match up to the originals is more of a testament to how great the original cast was than it is to these versions being bad. Actually, it's not just because the original is better. In my opinion, these versions are bad. That's just how I feel. It's nothing I would have ever listened to if I didn't like the original. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:07:08 GMT
I like that Congratulations has found its way on here, because I think it's a great song, but I also think cutting it from the show was the right thing to do for Angelica's character (and also in real life she chose to elope with her husband so although I appreciate the musical is heavily fictionalised I do think that's a characterisation disservice too far). Agreed, it would also stilt the flawless transitions between Hurricane/The Reynolds Pamphlet/Burn. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:08:15 GMT
Well no, there's also remixes on there which are completely different to the original songs as well as cut stuff. I agree the covers are weaker than the remixes but I wouldn't call them bad. Helpless, History Has Its Eyes on You and Burn especially are great. The fact that they don't quite match up to the originals is more of a testament to how great the original cast was than it is to these versions being bad. Actually, it's not just because the original is better. In my opinion, these versions are bad. That's just how I feel. It's nothing I would have ever listened to if I didn't like the original. Fair enough, but you also said in this thread the other day that you didn't think Hamilton's music was anything special to begin with so maybe that's why and you need it in a narrative format in order to like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:13:59 GMT
Actually, it's not just because the original is better. In my opinion, these versions are bad. That's just how I feel. It's nothing I would have ever listened to if I didn't like the original. Fair enough, but you also said in this thread the other day that you didn't think Hamilton's music was anything special to begin with so maybe that's why and you need it in a narrative format in order to like it. Possibly. |
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Post by steve10086 on Dec 2, 2016 9:59:14 GMT
I really didn't think I'd be interested in the Mixtape, as I was already surprised I like the show versions of the songs, let alone "real" versions by famous artists. But having listened to the previews, apart from a couple of tracks like "My Shot" which is kinda what I'd been expecting, the majority of the songs sound great and I've pre-ordered the CD.
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Post by ali973 on Dec 2, 2016 11:07:52 GMT
I'm listening to it A-Z tonight on a flight. From what I've sampled in the last few weeks based on the pre-releases and just listening to some of the new tracks, I honestly have to say that I'm slightly not impressed. I mean, they're fine, but none of the tracks are killing it as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by westendcub on Dec 2, 2016 13:26:08 GMT
Looking forward to listening to this on the train up to Manchester, I'm saving it till then!!
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Post by wickedginger on Dec 2, 2016 14:53:35 GMT
When this arrives in London I cant wait to see who they cast as King George!
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