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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:34:33 GMT
I am so intrigued as to how this will sell. I honestly have no idea how prepared I need to be in January to get multiple tickets. Yes, I need to get my act together on this one! I'm not at all a hip-hop/R n B 'enthusiast', but I'm interested in the musical from the historical point of view and if the cast turns out to be intriguing... I need to go looking on YouTube for excerpts and see what I make of the music. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:39:02 GMT
I stand by my earlier stated idea that King George is a good place to stick a name (not necessarily a *celeb*, but certainly a *name*) to encourage a potentially slightly more reluctant West End audience through the doors. I'm sure Dominic West has expressed interest (though I don't know how seriously), and I could see someone like Simon Russell Beale in the role too (or even Michael Ball, if you wanted to really startle people!). (Open auditions have explicitly said "don't come if you want to audition for King George", which some people are taking as "we already have someone in mind if not in place", though I reckon it's just to make sure you don't get hundreds of white men with traditional MT portfolios clogging up the auditions when they need a wider variety of skin tones and skill sets.) I imagine they'd still need to cast understudies for King George? Probably, but they can get those from the ensemble when they cast that rather than specifically opening the doors of the open auditions to hundreds of white men, of whom they'd only need maybe a couple.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 13:40:57 GMT
I am so intrigued as to how this will sell. I honestly have no idea how prepared I need to be in January to get multiple tickets. Yes, I need to get my act together on this one! I'm not at all a hip-hop/R n B 'enthusiast', but I'm interested in the musical from the historical point of view and if the cast turns out to be intriguing... I need to go looking on YouTube for excerpts and see what I make of the music. One of the things I like about Hamilton is that I imagine it's quite satisfying to come at from a hip-hop point of view, but there's also plenty in there for people coming from a musical theatre point of view. I may not appreciate the references to The Ten Crack Commandments, but I can sure as hell spot the nods to Gilbert & Sullivan and Jason Robert Brown.  |
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Post by ali973 on Nov 23, 2016 16:42:38 GMT
I believe Thane Jasperson just went on understudying for King George for the first time since the show opened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 17:50:41 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoys King George's songs most on the cast recording?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 17:59:00 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoys King George's songs most on the cast recording? They are my least favourite I have to say. I like the R&B stuff the best (Helpless and Wait For It are my faves), then the rap and then the more traditional songs. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 23, 2016 19:03:47 GMT
I agree, I only like the King George songs. The rest is just extremely uninspiring and boring to me. It feels like everything is either spoken in a very affected way (rap parts) or every word sung in 1 (the same) note.
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"When he was 10 his father split, full of it, debt ridden two years later see alex and his mother bed-ridden..."
"France is fol-lo-wing us to re-vo-lu-tion there is no...."
"Ev'ry burden, ev'ry disadvantage I have learned to manage. I don't have a gun to brandish I walk these streets famished"
"I am not throwing away my shot, I am not throwing away my shot, Hey yo, I'm just like my country I'm young, scrappy, and hungry and I'm not throwing away my shot"
It's almost a whole show on 1 freakin' note! Occasionally the keyboard goes half a not higher or lower but it sounds like a highschool student project to me.
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Post by Steffi on Nov 23, 2016 19:24:06 GMT
I believe Thane Jasperson just went on understudying for King George for the first time since the show opened. Yes, he did a few shows lately. He posted some pictures on instagram. He was one of the stand outs in the ensemble for me (that one time I saw the show). Great dancer. Would love to see him as King George. Not that I will ever get my hands on one of those lottery tickets again - still amazed my friend won (I was almost convinced no one ever wins the Hamilton digital lottery). |
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Post by carmella1 on Nov 23, 2016 19:24:23 GMT
Um, its rap not really known for musicality. Not a show for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 19:43:21 GMT
It's almost a whole show on 1 freakin' note! Occasionally the keyboard goes half a not higher or lower but it sounds like a highschool student project to me. A Pulitzer Prize winning high school student project, who'd have thought? |
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Post by popcultureboy on Nov 23, 2016 19:54:41 GMT
Quite. I am by no means a fan of the cast recording (a few songs aside) but there is no denying that it's quite a spectacular piece of work, whether you like it or not. Dismissing it as a high school student project is a bit much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 21:09:54 GMT
It's almost a whole show on 1 freakin' note! Occasionally the keyboard goes half a not higher or lower but it sounds like a highschool student project to me. A Pulitzer Prize winning high school student project, who'd have thought? I believe the Pullitzer Prize was mainly for the story? Because it's the Pullitzer Prize for drama, not for music. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 21:18:08 GMT
A Pulitzer Prize winning high school student project, who'd have thought? I believe the Pullitzer Prize was mainly for the story? Because it's the Pullitzer Prize for drama, not for music. It's for the overall product ('a theatrical work') and considering Hamilton is based on a real person's life, I don't know how they could award him solely for a story that he didn't make up. Considering Hamilton is sung/rapped-through, the music is the story. But if we want to go into particulars, then we can say a Grammy and Tony winning high school student project as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 21:22:10 GMT
I believe the Pullitzer Prize was mainly for the story? Because it's the Pullitzer Prize for drama, not for music. It's for the overall product and considering Hamilton is based on a real person's life, I don't know how they could award him for a story that he didn't make up. But if we want to go into particulars, then we can say a Grammy and Tony winning high school student project as well. It still takes a lot of work condensing a lifetime into a 2 and a half hour show. He also changed things. Like for example the Schuyler sisters did have a brother, and Hamikton didn't meet Laurens, Lafayette and Mulligan on the same night at a bar. A big part of doing an adaptation of a true story is making it work on stage. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 21:46:23 GMT
It's for the overall product and considering Hamilton is based on a real person's life, I don't know how they could award him for a story that he didn't make up. But if we want to go into particulars, then we can say a Grammy and Tony winning high school student project as well. It still takes a lot of work condensing a lifetime into a 2 and a half hour show. He also changed things. Like for example the Schuyler sisters did have a brother, and Hamikton didn't meet Laurens, Lafayette and Mulligan on the same night at a bar. A big part of doing an adaptation of a true story is making it work on stage. Yep but considering how rarely the Pulitzers award musicals (Hamilton is only the 9th in 100 years or so to win) then I doubt they would have awarded him for those adjustments alone. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 23, 2016 22:14:12 GMT
I suppose they awarded it for it's racial and political aspects. Definitely not for music as 1 note is not music.
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Post by theatremadness on Nov 23, 2016 22:31:40 GMT
I suppose they awarded it for it's racial and political aspects. Definitely not for music as 1 note is not music. In your opinion.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 22:50:47 GMT
It still takes a lot of work condensing a lifetime into a 2 and a half hour show. He also changed things. Like for example the Schuyler sisters did have a brother, and Hamikton didn't meet Laurens, Lafayette and Mulligan on the same night at a bar. A big part of doing an adaptation of a true story is making it work on stage. Yep but considering how rarely the Pulitzers award musicals (Hamilton is only the 9th in 100 years or so to win) then I doubt they would have awarded him for those adjustments alone. True. I think the fact that it's about American history and the way they cast it certainly helped. But yeah the score is fantastic too. Although I agree that the music itself isn't that special, the lyrics are brilliant. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:12:07 GMT
I suppose they awarded it for it's racial and political aspects. Definitely not for music as 1 note is not music. There are plenty of plays and musicals with racial and political aspects that don't get awarded like this show and let's not act like the score hasn't been given its own awards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:50:47 GMT
Gosh, it's like when people want to argue that the Beatles are overrated. Okay, fine, maybe you don't like their songs and you know other people were coming up with similar sounds at the same time and even just before, but it's just flat-out ridiculous to claim overratedness when it's not just that their songs were quite good, it's also that they had a phenomenal influence on music and society and culture and even history. Hate the songs, but don't deny the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 23:58:41 GMT
Right? A broadway cast recording that was released 14 months ago is currently the 6th best selling album in America and we're supposed to believe the music is weak? Not to everyone's taste sure, but it's not weak. Come on now.
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Post by johartuk on Nov 24, 2016 1:17:10 GMT
Right? A broadway cast recording that was released 14 months ago is currently the 6th best selling album in America and we're supposed to believe the music is weak? Not to everyone's taste sure, but it's not weak. Come on now. To be fair, just because something's a chart hit doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'good'. There's been plenty of dross that's hit number 1 in the charts, just as there has been truly brilliant stuff that hasn't hit number 1. All being at number 6 in the album charts means is that loads of people have bought the thing. Personally, I have no real opinion on the show either way. The bits I've heard seem interesting, and LMM seems to have a lot of charisma. However, the hysteria surrounding it is something I just don't understand. It's all a bit bizarre, though it's also interesting to be on the outside, watching everyone get worked into a lather over how wonderful/worthy Hamilton is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 1:27:39 GMT
Right? A broadway cast recording that was released 14 months ago is currently the 6th best selling album in America and we're supposed to believe the music is weak? Not to everyone's taste sure, but it's not weak. Come on now. To be fair, just because something's a chart hit doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'good'. There's been plenty of dross that's hit number 1 in the charts, just as there has been truly brilliant stuff that hasn't hit number 1. All being at number 6 in the album charts means is that loads of people have bought the thing. Personally, I have no real opinion on the show either way. The bits I've heard seem interesting, and LMM seems to have a lot of charisma. However, the hysteria surrounding it is something I just don't understand. It's all a bit bizarre, though it's also interesting to be on the outside, watching everyone get worked into a lather over how wonderful/worthy Hamilton is. I would agree with you but this isn't a One Direction album that teenagers buy because they fancy them or an Adele album where people will buy it just because it's her. This is a Broadway cast album and not even one that is remotely commercially appealing on paper. Whether Dave likes it or not, it's the music of this show that has propelled it to the heights it now lives at. Most fans of this show have not seen it, only heard it. Add to the fact that it is award winning and critically acclaimed (wasn't it Billboard that gave the album their only 5* review?) and it seems pretty clear the music is of a high quality. |
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 24, 2016 9:53:11 GMT
I think there is some stunningly beautiful music in Hamilton. Listened to it again at the weekend and many times found myself thinking that. The rap-ier sections, where the music might not be to everyone's taste, impress with their lyrical ability instead.
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Post by primitivewallflower on Nov 25, 2016 19:19:51 GMT
Also, if you think about it, at their core rap & hip hop are extraordinarily avant garde. I mean, rapidly spewing fast lyrics with unusual rhyme schemes over a beat? That makes beat poetry sound like Top 40 radio by comparison. So it's completely understandable that it's a divisive genre period, let alone in musical theatre.
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