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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:04:49 GMT
Hamilton is about history. It's not about current politics. In my mind even a show about murder and war can be escapism. And not acknowledging current events is hardly impossible. It's actually extremely easy. You don't have to do anything as opposed to what they did now. i think it is extremely short sighted to say that hamilton is simply about history. I didn't say it's SIMPLY about history. But it's not about current politics either. I think it's extremely short sighted to think the fact that a show is about history warrants the cast talking about their personal political opinions in front of a paying audience. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:05:24 GMT
I do, but only if they're good. Well, then you know how I feel about yours too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:05:52 GMT
I do, but only if they're good. That sounds like something straight from Trumps mouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:08:45 GMT
Im not American and don't claim to know Pence or even understand the fundamentals of this bizzare election and the American system. But reading very little about him just now (this story made Israely news tonight- crazy!) I understand he was very public with his views on the lgbt comunnity (his support of conversion camps, not providing AIDs medication to men who refuse to undergo conversion etc) not to mention that bizzare thing about women having to burry their fetuses in case of abortion. This man is seeing a show who's lead is an out and proud, Hiv positive man- and for that I applaud both the speech and the booing audience. As for those who might have had their night 'ruined' - they were a part of history last night, if anything I feel what happened only intensifies the messege of Hamilton But thats just my 2 cents, the fact that I saw that clip on my tv in the Israely news is insane! Don't we all know why he went to see a show with a very diverse cast, both ethically and sexually? What do you do if people hate you for being a racist homophobe? You go see a popular show featuring performers of all ethnicities and sexual orientations. It's so obvious that he thought this would show that he's not that bad after all. |
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Post by ali973 on Nov 19, 2016 16:09:06 GMT
I do, but only if they're good. That sounds like something straight from Trumps mouth. well..in that case..i feel threatened and harassed  |
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Post by lewis on Nov 19, 2016 16:14:31 GMT
i think it is extremely short sighted to say that hamilton is simply about history. I didn't say it's SIMPLY about history. But it's not about current politics either. I think it's extremely short sighted to think the fact that a show is about history warrants the cast talking about their personal political opinions in front of a paying audience. If it is not inextricably linked to modern, political America, then 1) it would be nowhere near as popular as it is, and 2) the cast would be white and singing hymnals, not dropping Biggie references. As I said, the cast were reiterating the message of the show. If the cast of sweet charity come out at curtain call and call him out, I personally would still agree with them, but at least I'd be beginning to see your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:30:33 GMT
I say bloody well done to the cast! And well done to the booers. No point tweeting after, let them know people are angry. VP was an absolute fool turning up to Hamilton 'the hip show' I completely understand and agree with their feelings. But it might have ruined many other people's nights. If I had paid a lot of money to see this show and something like this happened, it would have ruined my night and I would ask for a refund. More fool you! I'd have been all over it. Imagine saying you where there!! This will push Hamilton more into the mainstream now |
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Post by ShoesForRent on Nov 19, 2016 16:39:11 GMT
I love this comment from BWW forum:
"Bravo to the cast of HAMILTON- if theatre does not respond conscientiously and responsibly to society, it's not theatre in the true sense, but just another ratty tourist trap."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:39:55 GMT
I think the theatre should be a place away from the world of politics etc and should be somehwere you can go and not have to worry about that kind of thing. Err, have you seen Hamilton? Or 1776? Or Ibsen or Brecht or Shakespeare or Sondheim or...or...or..... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:44:23 GMT
whilst I agree with the sentiment of escapism, Hamilton is so inextricably linked to that nations politics and actively advocates for progressive ideology. To not acknowledge current events, and particularly Pence's attendance after the reception it got, would be nigh on impossible. Also, it isn't just the cast's personal views. its the ethos of the show - the statement asked him to reconsider his views in light of the shows message. If you want escapism I guess the answer is dont go to hamilton in election season. Lion King is just down the street. Hamilton is about history. It's not about current politics. In my mind even a show about murder and war can be escapism. And not acknowledging current events is hardly impossible. It's actually extremely easy. You don't have to do anything as opposed to what they did now. This is just a comjplete misunderstanding of what theatre set in the past (and similarly for other narrative entertainment) is, it uses the past to comment on today. It being live is partly the reason for this, plus that the audience are relating what they see to what they experience. You cannot, ever, divorce the past from the present. If we hadn't gone through the nineteen thirties, for example, then we wouldn't be realising just how dangerous the current climate is. |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 19, 2016 16:50:18 GMT
Lets also keep in mind that it's Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS fundraising season so there would have been a curtain call speech regardless of Pence being there anyway. With the company being led by an openly HIV positive gay man, the cast might as well acknowledge the elephant in the room and call Pence out considering his stance on the lgbt+ community and HIV/AIDS treatment.
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 19, 2016 17:32:10 GMT
Lets also keep in mind that it's Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS fundraising season so there would have been a curtain call speech regardless of Pence being there anyway. With the company being led by an openly HIV positive gay man, the cast might as well acknowledge the elephant in the room and call Pence out considering his stance on the lgbt+ community and HIV/AIDS treatment. Here's the thing -- even if you were in the bathroom when Pence arrived and missed the booing, you would've probably heard about it at intermission. By curtain call, it's the elephant in the room. Everyone's going to be watching him leave instead of listening to the BCEFA speech. So what does the Ham team do? They take the moment to acknowledge he's there and use the stage they're on to express what they're feeling in a very measured manner. Then they do the usual speech, which raises money for a lot of organizations that have the potential to lose federal funding or support. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:05:26 GMT
I completely understand and agree with their feelings. But it might have ruined many other people's nights. If I had paid a lot of money to see this show and something like this happened, it would have ruined my night and I would ask for a refund. More fool you! I'd have been all over it. Imagine saying you where there!! This will push Hamilton more into the mainstream now Why, is it so great to be there while people are booing a politician? If you think that's awesome, then I truly hope you find yourself in that situation some day? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:06:13 GMT
I think the theatre should be a place away from the world of politics etc and should be somehwere you can go and not have to worry about that kind of thing. Err, have you seen Hamilton? Or 1776? Or Ibsen or Brecht or Shakespeare or Sondheim or...or...or..... I haven't heard of "or...or...or...." I should definitely check that out |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:08:44 GMT
More fool you! I'd have been all over it. Imagine saying you where there!! This will push Hamilton more into the mainstream now Why, is it so great to be there while people are booing a politician? If you think that's awesome, then I truly hope you find yourself in that situation some day? Because the vast majority of people that would buy a ticket to Hamilton are completely anti Pence's disgusting policies. It's not about the booing, it's about the atmosphere of watching a heavily political show that advocates for immigration, women's rights and tolerance be directed towards a man that doesn't believe in any of that stuff but for some reason decided to attend the show anyway. The booing was done by the audience for a few seconds before the show started, it did not distract the audience. Instead, this audience attended a performance that is making international news. Of course that's an exciting show to attend and witness. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:08:48 GMT
Hamilton is about history. It's not about current politics. In my mind even a show about murder and war can be escapism. And not acknowledging current events is hardly impossible. It's actually extremely easy. You don't have to do anything as opposed to what they did now. This is just a comjplete misunderstanding of what theatre set in the past (and similarly for other narrative entertainment) is, it uses the past to comment on today. It being live is partly the reason for this, plus that the audience are relating what they see to what they experience. You cannot, ever, divorce the past from the present. If we hadn't gone through the nineteen thirties, for example, then we wouldn't be realising just how dangerous the current climate is. I'm well aware of the importance of studying history and using that experience to build a better future. However, if like you say it uses the past to comment on today, surely that would all be woven into the piece and therefore it would not require someone to specifically repeat the meaning of the piece? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:10:28 GMT
More fool you! I'd have been all over it. Imagine saying you where there!! This will push Hamilton more into the mainstream now Why, is it so great to be there while people are booing a politician? If you think that's awesome, then I truly hope you find yourself in that situation some day? Honey, I'm ALWAYS being booed |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:11:12 GMT
Why, is it so great to be there while people are booing a politician? If you think that's awesome, then I truly hope you find yourself in that situation some day? Because the vast majority of people that would buy a ticket to Hamilton are completely anti Pence's disgusting policies. It's not about the booing, it's about the atmosphere of watching a heavily political show that advocates for immigration, women's rights and tolerance be directed towards a man that doesn't believe in any of that stuff but for some reason decided to attend the show anyway. The booing was done by the audience for a few seconds before the show started, it did not distract the audience. Instead, this audience attended a performance that is making international news. Of course that's an exciting show to attend and witness. It must be amazing to hear yourself boo on international news |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:11:50 GMT
Why, is it so great to be there while people are booing a politician? If you think that's awesome, then I truly hope you find yourself in that situation some day? Honey, I'm ALWAYS being booed That really surprises me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:18:51 GMT
This is just a comjplete misunderstanding of what theatre set in the past (and similarly for other narrative entertainment) is, it uses the past to comment on today. It being live is partly the reason for this, plus that the audience are relating what they see to what they experience. You cannot, ever, divorce the past from the present. If we hadn't gone through the nineteen thirties, for example, then we wouldn't be realising just how dangerous the current climate is. I'm well aware of the importance of studying history and using that experience to build a better future. However, if like you say it uses the past to comment on today, surely that would all be woven into the piece and therefore it would not require someone to specifically repeat the meaning of the piece? American politics is going to get noisier and (if you can believe it) even nastier, spilling out into all corners of life. You're going to have to get used to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:23:39 GMT
I'm well aware of the importance of studying history and using that experience to build a better future. However, if like you say it uses the past to comment on today, surely that would all be woven into the piece and therefore it would not require someone to specifically repeat the meaning of the piece? American politics is going to get noisier and (if you can believe it) even nastier, spilling out into all corners of life. You're going to have to get used to it. I'm used to dealing with it on TV and internet. I'm just disappointed that we'll now be faced with it at the theatre as well. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 19, 2016 18:28:31 GMT
Can you imagine theatre and American politics colliding? I'll be!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 18:50:36 GMT
Honey, I'm ALWAYS being booed That really surprises me. I know right?! |
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Post by talkstageytome on Nov 19, 2016 18:53:06 GMT
Ahaha, unthinkable 49thand8th!  As others have said, theatre comments on the society it is being performed in. The line 'immigrants, we get the job done' apparently received a partial standing ovation that night. That line, and the audience's reaction, is a clear example of the way in which Hamilton draws on the stories of the past to comment on the present. Hasn't LMM frequently said that the reason for the diversity/hiphop and R+B score is to highlight the contrast between America then and America now? The irony of Pence seeing Hamilton is just something I can't shake. It's anti everything he stands for? What must he have thought of the show, now THAT would be interesting to find out. His very presence there makes no sense! I'm disgusted by the anti LGBTQ / anti women stances he's taken on important issues (some of which are focused on in the play, and/or concern the cast), and I'm disgusted that Trump thinks that Pence is the victim here. Trump's response is as immature and unpresidential as we'd expect it to be. 'Apologise!' HA! This coming from a Mr 'What a nasty woman'. I honestly despair! |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 19, 2016 20:01:04 GMT
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