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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:26:40 GMT
They must be careful
Donald Trump might deport them
Although on a more serious note
This cast are so stuck up their own arses it's unbelievable
If they think they have any meaning other than being a massive cash cow and paid entertainment
They are very much mistaken
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Nov 19, 2016 21:34:46 GMT
*snort*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 21:47:36 GMT
Not sure what I think about the Mike Pence thing last night. I think the theatre should be a place away from the world of politics etc and should be somehwere you can go and not have to worry about that kind of thing. It has disappointed me a little to see how involved Hamilton became in the election this year. Just to clarify also, I do not support the majority of the things Trump/Pence stand for I feel exactly the same way. For many people theatre is escapism. For just a few hours they don't want to worry about anything. The cast getting political can ruin that. It's actually quite selfish for the cast to make their personal political views public in front of an audience that paid an insane amount of money to enjoy themselves. I completely agree with the cast's view on this though. But they shouldn't use the theatre to voice their opinion. It's nothing to do with their personal political views - what I heard in that message was a plea for the tolerance, equality and inclusivity that marks any decent human being regardless of their political beliefs. Fundamental human decency, nothing else, and if people can't support that then I think that's very sad. If audience members didn't want to listen, they were free to vote with their feet - it was after the end of the show, the audience had already seen everything they paid for, so I really don't understand why there's any objection to the post-curtain call speech at all! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 22:29:36 GMT
I feel exactly the same way. For many people theatre is escapism. For just a few hours they don't want to worry about anything. The cast getting political can ruin that. It's actually quite selfish for the cast to make their personal political views public in front of an audience that paid an insane amount of money to enjoy themselves. I completely agree with the cast's view on this though. But they shouldn't use the theatre to voice their opinion. It's nothing to do with their personal political views - what I heard in that message was a plea for the tolerance, equality and inclusivity that marks any decent human being regardless of their political beliefs. Fundamental human decency, nothing else, and if people can't support that then I think that's very sad. If audience members didn't want to listen, they were free to vote with their feet - it was after the end of the show, the audience had already seen everything they paid for, so I really don't understand why there's any objection to the post-curtain call speech at all! Like it or not, the sad truth is that tolerance and equality are a political issue in the US. They should be fundamental human decency, but the fact just is that it's not fundamental to many idiots out there. |
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Post by Hamilton Addict on Nov 19, 2016 22:35:01 GMT
This has been absolutely crazy. Trump has insulted almost every 'person, place and thing', so it was only a matter of time before Hamilton got some sort of insult... Hamilton Cast: *gives polite speech* Trump: OMG THIS IS HARASSMENT!!!!! THIS MUST END NOW!!! APOLOGISE!!! THE HAMILTON CAST ARE SECRETLY HILLARY IN DISGUISE!! THE SHOW IS RIGGED! Ok, maybe I *slightly* over-exaggerated, but Trump saying it was harassment is unbelievably idiotic. Does he not know what harassment is? For future reference Mr. Trump, harassment is what people would call what you do to women.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 22:50:45 GMT
I just want to fast forward 20 years so I can read a theatre student's dissertation on 'Hamilton and Politics in 2016'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 23:05:22 GMT
I just want to fast forward 20 years so I can read a theatre student's dissertation on 'Hamilton and Politics in 2016'. Don't be ridiculous. We'll all be dead by then. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 20, 2016 1:58:42 GMT
While I completely agree with their standpoint and vision, it is really not done to speak to an audience member like that, who is just watching a show, probably paid for a ticket. It was by no means the right place and moment to say things like that.
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Post by thebearofwestend on Nov 20, 2016 2:01:16 GMT
While I completely agree with their standpoint and vision, it is really not done to speak to an audience member like that, who is just watching a show, probably paid for a ticket. If you ask me it's quite unprofessional and touchy to let yourself go that way. It was by no means the right place and moment to say thing like that. I agree |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 2:08:36 GMT
Why is the comfort of Mike Pence more important than that of the HIV+ gay latino man that had to perform for him last night?
If he knew anything about the show then he would already know it would be a controversial place for him to turn up. Even if the cast hadn't have said anything, he still would have been booed by the audience. In fact, the cast told the audience to stop doing that. No one forced him to stay in the auditorium and listen. The show had ended and he could leave. I'm sure that cast will look back on this moment in decades to come and be proud that they had their voice, even if it is to no avail.
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 20, 2016 2:23:29 GMT
It's not about comfort, it's about professionalism.
You can't just pick out an audience member and throw him in front of the lions with the whole audience watching and bombard him with your personal political beliefs and issues.
Just like a marriage officiant will not state his/her personal opinions about a gay couple in front of the whole family when he/she is doing his job.
There are other places, times and situations for that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 2:24:51 GMT
It's not about comfort, it's about professionalism. I don't see anything unprofessional about telling the audience to stop booing a fellow audience member and stating that they hope the show inspires him. |
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Post by Dave25 on Nov 20, 2016 2:30:47 GMT
It's about speaking to him about his standpoints, from the stage to an audience member. Not about telling to stop booing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 2:36:25 GMT
There was no one forcing him to stay in the theatre. The show was over. He could walk out whenever he wanted so I don't really think it counts as 'throwing him in front of the lions'.
Pence ran for public office and succeeded. Therefore, he will face public criticism. A gay couple getting married has not consented to being a part of the public eye. The cast have the right to say it and he has the right to choose not to listen. You say it's not the right time or place. When else will these people get to talk to him? They didn't even bring up his standpoints, they just said that they were concerned of the protection of their rights and that they hoped he would uphold them. It wasn't 'you wont uphold them!' It wasn't 'why have you said/done/thought this?' It was 'we have concerns but we hope that you will prove us wrong'. If anything, the fact that they had that optimism in him was a compliment.
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Post by odie175 on Nov 20, 2016 3:38:14 GMT
If I was in the theater I would have been upset with what happened no matter what political officiation or beliefs I have. When I go to the theater I go to escape reality and be drawn into a world filled of song and dance. When leaving a show I want to leave on a high with only the story that was told in mind and nothing more. I want to leave the theater humming the songs and trying to remember every detail of the performance as it slips from my mind. There are cheaper ways to escape so making the decision to see any Broadway show for most people is one that is taken seriously. As a middle class New Yorker a night in the theater is one that I realistically afford no more than once every two years. Its not about respecting or not respecting the vice president elect, it's about not respecting the audience member that has planned, saved, and waited for an opportunity to see your show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 3:50:31 GMT
If I was in the theater I would have been upset with what happened no matter what political officiation or beliefs I have. When I go to the theater I go to escape reality and be drawn into a world filled of song and dance. When leaving a show I want to leave on a high with only the story that was told in mind and nothing more. I want to leave the theater humming the songs and trying to remember every detail of the performance as it slips from my mind. There are cheaper ways to escape so making the decision to see any Broadway show for most people is one that is taken seriously. As a middle class New Yorker a night in the theater is one that I realistically afford no more than once every two years. Its not about respecting or not respecting the vice president elect, it's about not respecting the audience member that has planned, saved, and waited for an opportunity to see your show. The show had already finished. Anyone that wanted to could leave. Heck, you can leave during the show if you really want to. I've seen multiple reports from people that attended the performance and all consider themselves lucky to have seen it all go down in person. |
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Post by odie175 on Nov 20, 2016 4:03:09 GMT
If I was in the theater I would have been upset with what happened no matter what political officiation or beliefs I have. When I go to the theater I go to escape reality and be drawn into a world filled of song and dance. When leaving a show I want to leave on a high with only the story that was told in mind and nothing more. I want to leave the theater humming the songs and trying to remember every detail of the performance as it slips from my mind. There are cheaper ways to escape so making the decision to see any Broadway show for most people is one that is taken seriously. As a middle class New Yorker a night in the theater is one that I realistically afford no more than once every two years. Its not about respecting or not respecting the vice president elect, it's about not respecting the audience member that has planned, saved, and waited for an opportunity to see your show. The show had already finished. Anyone that wanted to could leave. Heck, you can leave during the show if you really want to. I've seen multiple reports from people that attended the performance and all consider themselves lucky to have seen it all go down in person. You miss my point. I don't want to leave early or during the curtain call. I want to savor every moment of my theater experience (without politics) because I paid for a theater experience and only that. If I want a political expertise I can protest, join a rally, or volunteer and donate money to any political affiliated I chose. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 4:06:08 GMT
The show had already finished. Anyone that wanted to could leave. Heck, you can leave during the show if you really want to. I've seen multiple reports from people that attended the performance and all consider themselves lucky to have seen it all go down in person. You miss my point. I don't want to leave early or during the curtain call. I want to savor every moment of my theater experience (without politics) because I paid for a theater experience and only that. If I want a political expertise I can protest, join a rally, or volunteer and donate money to any political affiliated I chose. The curtain call had happened. They'd taken their bows. It was the moment when during any other performance you'd get up and leave. Also, Hamilton IS politics. It literally conveys political viewpoints numerous times throughout the show. |
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Post by 49thand8th on Nov 20, 2016 5:06:42 GMT
If I was in the theater I would have been upset with what happened no matter what political officiation or beliefs I have. When I go to the theater I go to escape reality and be drawn into a world filled of song and dance. When leaving a show I want to leave on a high with only the story that was told in mind and nothing more. I want to leave the theater humming the songs and trying to remember every detail of the performance as it slips from my mind. There are cheaper ways to escape so making the decision to see any Broadway show for most people is one that is taken seriously. As a middle class New Yorker a night in the theater is one that I realistically afford no more than once every two years. Its not about respecting or not respecting the vice president elect, it's about not respecting the audience member that has planned, saved, and waited for an opportunity to see your show. Escapism is understandable, and it can be pursued. I'm going to break it to you, however... Theatre DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM Theatre DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM Theatre DOES NOT EXIST IN A VACUUM Especially -- or even -- at Hamilton. Sometimes theatre will surprise you. You can't get everything you want, even from that list you have above from a show that's not doing anything for any charity that happens to be mentioned in the curtain speech. I saw Fun Home the night of the election and the night after. On November 9, Kate Shindle gave an amazing Broadway Cares speech in which she said "We will not go back to the world that killed Bruce Bechdel." She wasn't going to do a regular Broadway Cares speech. This is not a regular time period in the world. Theatre is aware of this and will work it in. |
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Post by talkstageytome on Nov 20, 2016 8:28:29 GMT
I can't remember the details but a year or so ago I saw Book of Mormon just after a well loved actress had died, and the speech talked about her death and the charity they were collecting for.
It's AFTER the curtain call. These speeches happen all the time!!!
Also the content wasn't rude, it was hopeful. If Pence was smart he could have used his attendance and the speech to calm the fears of people who don't like/agree with him. To reassure them.
But of course it was turned into another ott Trump move which only served to villainise the cast is some eyes instead.
God, it's a circus.
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Post by couldileaveyou on Nov 20, 2016 8:39:36 GMT
Calling theatre a safe space means having no understanding of theatre.
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Post by shady23 on Nov 20, 2016 8:53:17 GMT
Trump is probably loving this as it has buried the news he has just had to pay out 25 million for those conned by Trump University.
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Post by bellboard27 on Nov 20, 2016 9:31:14 GMT
I once went to a theatre that existed in a vacuum. It really sucked me into what it was doing.
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Post by schuttep on Nov 20, 2016 10:17:18 GMT
People with a public profile expect to be accosted from time to time. Sometimes that's in an unpleasant manner. But, regardless of others' opinions of them, why should they have to put up with it? It's simply rudeness to do that to a public figure when they are being "private".
That said, I think the cast's reaction was human, humane, and spectacularly impressive.
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Post by steve10086 on Nov 20, 2016 11:34:49 GMT
There are already a number of very eloquently worded posts about why the speech at Hamilton directed at the Vice President Elect was entirely appropriate... so all I'll say is Pence and Trump both need to grow a pair, and those wimps moaning about a "theatre as a safe place" should do the same.
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