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Post by oxfordsimon on May 13, 2023 23:19:43 GMT
Why the love for Finland? It wasn’t a song, it was just shouting. I think it was the mad combination of camp, Latin dancing, fetish costume - the epitome of Eurovision being bonkers |
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 13, 2023 23:22:55 GMT
I assume Germany doesn't want to host it given their appalling entry. Quite telling that the public vote did not like the Spanish entry either. I wonder who Australia has to host on their behalf if they were ever to win? At least Germany was the favorite of J.K. Rowling according to her twitter. |
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Post by londonmzfitz on May 13, 2023 23:28:28 GMT
Why the love for Finland? It wasn’t a song, it was just shouting. Always extra points from me if it's done in the language of the Country rather than go the populist sung in English route. And I like to imagine it in a European club on a summer evening with people having a bop .... Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha-Cha! |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 13, 2023 23:28:44 GMT
Why the love for Finland? It wasn’t a song, it was just shouting. I think it was the mad combination of camp, Latin dancing, fetish costume - the epitome of Eurovision being bonkers The exact reason why this isn’t a song contest anymore. I think there is an increasing situation where the entries are taking the piss, just to see how far it gets them. Croatia being another example. It’s a shame. |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 13, 2023 23:31:51 GMT
I assume Germany doesn't want to host it given their appalling entry. Quite telling that the public vote did not like the Spanish entry either. I wonder who Australia has to host on their behalf if they were ever to win? At least Germany was the favorite of J.K. Rowling according to her twitter. That’s one way of feeling better about coming last… I suppose. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on May 13, 2023 23:32:30 GMT
The live audience reaction showed that Finland worked for a crowd. It was the favourite in the room
Tattoo was aimed solely at the TV audience and did the job. But it isn't a song to perform to a crowd
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Post by intoanewlife on May 13, 2023 23:36:00 GMT
I think Finland was the best and most entertaining performance, but the song wasn't strong enough to match it.
I wasn't that fussed on Sweden first time around, but thought the finale was great.
She has an incredible voice! I didn't even know Euphoria was a Eurovision song lol
I'd certainly take Sweden over the atrocious Italy or Israel songs that were right up on the top of the list.
Poland was my fave, but it didn't do very well.
Serbia was good too.
I also think this years UK entry was much stronger than last year.
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Post by ncbears on May 13, 2023 23:43:44 GMT
I thought Tattoo sounded too much like Katy Perry's Firework.
Too bad writing a song didnt work for Muller. Next time she should write a novel.
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Post by karloscar on May 13, 2023 23:45:59 GMT
Some songs that worked for the jury didn't register much with the public vote at all and thought Austria and Belgium would do better. I can see why Finland was popular but the song did nothing for me. Israel and Italy both gave really impressive performances that had broad appeal. I loved the Swedish entry from the first time I heard it, and thought Loreen gave a great performance on the night, her encore was even better. And a Stockholm show on Abba's 50th anniversary is a bonus that might encourage Frida and Agnetha to put in an appearance.
(Bonus moments of the night were Jan Leeming being super cool and Dadi Freyr's cover of Hole Again. Who knew we ever needed to hear that song ever again?)
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Post by intoanewlife on May 13, 2023 23:48:58 GMT
I thought Tattoo sounded too much like Katy Perry's Firework. It sounds like a Bonnie Tyler song produced by Jim Steinman for a 90's action movie. |
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Post by d'James on May 14, 2023 0:17:32 GMT
Such a flat show.
Mel was amazing of course.
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Post by n1david on May 14, 2023 0:19:46 GMT
Just back to the hotel from the show; am intrigued to see how the voting played out on TV given that the audience reaction in the hall was very vocal. It didn't help that Tattoo was staged very much for a TV audience and wasn't as engaging in the arena. But I think the audience reaction might make the EBU think again about the way the results are being announced - it's very dramatic but it can be cruel, like James Newman's zero points from the public vote two years ago. There was no jury vote in the semi-finals this year; given that Finland won the public vote for the final I will be interested to understand why they think juries need to be involved in the final but not the semi-finals.
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Post by d'James on May 14, 2023 0:48:02 GMT
Watched the Spanish version. It was extremely flat:
Now UK. Mel Giedroyc forever.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 14, 2023 7:07:35 GMT
And the winner is …… Liverpool. Pier Head has been boss for a week.
Sweden winning when next year will be the 50th anniversary of Waterloo (the song not the battle) is a bit suspicious? I’m claiming fix as nobody liked Sweden.
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Post by crowblack on May 14, 2023 8:00:49 GMT
The exact reason why this isn’t a song contest anymore. I think there is an increasing situation where the entries are taking the piss, just to see how far it gets them. Croatia being another example. It’s a shame. I agree on this. There was an unselfconscious charm to the old Eurovision that has been lost in globalising homogeneity. Now some acts are very much playing up the kitsch, but once kitsch becomes self conscious it ceases to be kitsch. It just feels like Timmy Mallet or Mr Blobby, which are successful drunk party crowd pleasers but not good music, not something you'd put on at home and listen to. For years there's been that complaint that the UK view it through a 'comedy' lens and that's why we don't win. When we put forward an act who could sing and took it seriously we did (yes, I regard last year as a win if you take away the politics). |
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Post by bimse on May 14, 2023 8:25:29 GMT
I think it was the mad combination of camp, Latin dancing, fetish costume - the epitome of Eurovision being bonkers The exact reason why this isn’t a song contest anymore. I think there is an increasing situation where the entries are taking the piss, just to see how far it gets them. Croatia being another example. It’s a shame. Croatia was just awful, sounded and looked horrid, if that got through it’s time to change the voting system . I agree it’s a shame for those who make an effort but lose out. |
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Post by karloscar on May 14, 2023 8:57:55 GMT
It's always been a strange mix of camp, kitsch, sincerity and idiosyncratic weirdness. The songs that ended up in the top ten were all memorable performances and appealed to enough people to get a lot of votes. Some played better live in the arena, while others worked better on telly. I would've been happy for any of the top five to win, even though my favourite, Austria failed to register with the public vote. The big five miss out on building momentum by only performing in the final. Ukraine's performance was one that would have benefited from repeated viewing as it was visually stunning. The people complaining about the voting system will no doubt complain about whatever replaced it the first time they disagree with the result.
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Post by steve10086 on May 14, 2023 10:42:22 GMT
Keep seeing comments online about last nights show being rigged so Sweden will host for ABBA’s 50th anniversary. Some people really need to get a better grip on reality 🙄
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Post by eulenspiegel on May 14, 2023 11:14:33 GMT
Keep seeing comments online about last nights show being rigged so Sweden will host for ABBA’s 50th anniversary. Some people really need to get a better grip on reality 🙄 It is reality… there are 5 people in each jury…chosen each year by broadcasters and labels… they should just cancel these nonsense juries. Only televoting… Maneskin would no have won ..if only juries… |
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Post by ncbears on May 14, 2023 13:52:54 GMT
Full results here: "Rest of the World" votes Israel, Finland, Sweden. Voting by Country |
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Post by anthony40 on May 15, 2023 9:59:59 GMT
For many reasons- too long to go into here- I didn't watch it.
All I saw were each contestant running on carrying their flag.
I couldn't help but think for Alicia Dixon, what a gig to get! I mean, literally, on the world stage.
And kudos to Hanna Waddingham for raising her profile even more.
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Post by distantcousin on May 16, 2023 12:52:29 GMT
I think it was the mad combination of camp, Latin dancing, fetish costume - the epitome of Eurovision being bonkers The exact reason why this isn’t a song contest anymore. I think there is an increasing situation where the entries are taking the piss, just to see how far it gets them. Croatia being another example. It’s a shame. Yes, and the exact reason I switched off from this garish spectacle about 10 years ago. I only watched this year to see how the UK staged it (with a particular interest as I work in the live events sector) and I was struck at just how resolutely AWFUL the standard of music and performance style was - dated as ever and operating in a different universe to contemporary pop music. |
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Post by distantcousin on May 16, 2023 12:54:19 GMT
The exact reason why this isn’t a song contest anymore. I think there is an increasing situation where the entries are taking the piss, just to see how far it gets them. Croatia being another example. It’s a shame. I agree on this. There was an unselfconscious charm to the old Eurovision that has been lost in globalising homogeneity. Now some acts are very much playing up the kitsch, but once kitsch becomes self conscious it ceases to be kitsch. It just feels like Timmy Mallet or Mr Blobby, which are successful drunk party crowd pleasers but not good music, not something you'd put on at home and listen to. For years there's been that complaint that the UK view it through a 'comedy' lens and that's why we don't win. When we put forward an act who could sing and took it seriously we did (yes, I regard last year as a win if you take away the politics). I can't BEAR it when camp and kitsch is too knowing and calculated - it becomes devoid of any charm or appeal whatsosever, to me. |
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