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Post by Mark on May 14, 2022 18:35:37 GMT
Loved this in New York and loved it again today. Glad I’m going back in 3 weeks time! All the cast brilliant but particular shoutouts to Patrick and Marisha
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Post by harry on May 15, 2022 8:12:22 GMT
This has practically sold out and probably will before the end of its run. Does anyone think or have heard rumours of a planned transfer? I’ve heard nothing and obviously it won’t be able to just plonk itself straight into a West End proscenium arch house, but it does say it is presented in association with Sonia Friedman Productions (among others) which makes me assume they have always had eyes on and plans for a life for it after the end of June.
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Post by jaggy on May 15, 2022 9:28:52 GMT
This has practically sold out and probably will before the end of its run. Does anyone think or have heard rumours of a planned transfer? I’ve heard nothing and obviously it won’t be able to just plonk itself straight into a West End proscenium arch house, but it does say it is presented in association with Sonia Friedman Productions (among others) which makes me assume they have always had eyes on and plans for a life for it after the end of June. Exactly. Finding a theatre to house it which is free is the difficulty. I really hope it does as a majority of the cast are doing amazing work. Here’s hoping.
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Post by Boob on May 15, 2022 11:36:29 GMT
It has been touring the US in a traditional end-on reconfiguration, so I don’t think this would be an issue if they can find a venue.
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Post by mkb on May 16, 2022 11:48:43 GMT
After seeing Friday night's show, what can I add to what has already been said?
The first disappointment was that this was a concert performance rather than being properly staged. That wasn't mentioned at any point in the marketing that I saw, so I wasn't aware. I just knew that it had been "re-imagined" and was different, and had created a bit of a stir Stateside, which sounded promising.
While I can be quite a traditionalist, I also enjoy being wowed by innovative and modern new takes. Sadly, this interpretation did not hit the mark for me. It adopted a surrealist air (the costumes especially with the Baby Jane ball gowns) that made the characters unreal and difficult to engage with emotionally. They continued to be cyphers, often being moody purely for the sake of it, and that just became tiresome after a while.
As for the extended black-outs and camera-up-the-nostrils projections and in-your-ears over-miked dialogue, this didn't just tip over into pretension, it was full-blown peacockery by the director, making Ivo van Hove look subtle and nuanced by comparison.
Quite what was happening as the prelude to Act 2 escaped me. Whatever it was, it went on for fourteen minutes, and seemed to consist of a young girl, who bore no resemblance to any of the other characters -- was she supposed to be a young Laurey? -- who simply ran in interminable circles around the stage accompanied by the score played on discordant electric guitar and synth, with the musicians not present. (Was this a pre-record?) This section detracted from rather than added to the experience.
Where this production succeeded was in the blend of musician's instruments and cast voices that were quite beautiful and soaring at times. There were some stunning renditions of the popular numbers. If I could have just had those, without the pseudo-intellectual interpretation of the interspersed script, this show would have been elevated to four stars.
On-stage blocking was atrocious. The thrust stage is so long and thin, that it is akin to traverse, unless you are seated across the narrow end. For the most part, characters were facing away from me or in front of another speaking character. The long walks as characters entered and exited were clunky and amateurish. This was crying out for an end-on presentation with proscenium.
There were sections, especially at the start, where the characters were deliberately not amplified when speaking. (- More unnecessary artistic pretentiousness from the director I felt.) Much of this dialogue could not be heard. The walls all round have been covered in MDF, and that hampered the acoustics. Further, the final four seats at the band-end of stalls back row D are directly underneath a very powerful air-conditioning outlet that, when on, was generating so much white noise, that none-amplified voices were lost.
I do echo what others have said about row D offering the best view. Row A is too close for a very wide stage, and rows B and C have much less rake. Your legs may be dangling however in row D if you are very short and cannot reach either of the two foot rests: one underneath the row in front and one below your seat. (Be aware that if you use the foot-rest in front, there is an out-of-sight gap in the row C seat-back that means you are in high danger of kicking the person sat there, as I discovered to my cost.)
Two stars.
Act 1: 19:36-21:00 Dream Ballet: 21:21-21:35 Act 2: 21:35-22:35
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Post by inthenose on May 16, 2022 12:07:23 GMT
Thank you for the detailed review, which I entirely agree with.
That "ballet" was hilarious for the first few minutes in just how spectacularly crap it was, then I remembered it's a lengthy segment and I had at least another ten minutes of it, and the joke wore very thin.
As I said before, hated it, pretentious is the right word - nail on head.
I get the feeling somewhere there's a choreographer reading this thinking "you just didn't get it". Well don't worry, I got it alright. I get that this show's desperate, almost puppy-like eagerness to please and be as "2022" as possible made it absolutely unpalatable, even to those it is pandering to, with its faux-intellectualism and "meta" nudges and winks.
The troubling thing is, by all accounts this is superb compared to Legally Blonde, which I am also seeing this week.
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Post by zahidf on May 17, 2022 23:23:29 GMT
I enjoyed it overall: some of it didn't work, but I liked the way it tried different things. And I thought some bits were genuinely funny and interesting
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Post by sleepflower on May 21, 2022 17:21:20 GMT
I only paid 10 quid but had a perfect view on the side of row K! I had only seen the proshot before so this was mostly new to me. I really enjoyed it - the Ado Annie subplot was played with the perfect level of comedy, and I loved the arrangements of the songs - I'm glad they didn't radically reinvent them too much. The dream ballet was indeed a bit WTF and seemed out of place compared to the rest of the piece, and as much as I liked the show, the Jud storyline always makes me immensely miserable and that definitely came across here rather than just sweeping it under the carpet for an overly happy ending like more traditional versions might do.
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Post by jamb0r on May 21, 2022 20:40:34 GMT
It’s very, very rare that I go to the theatre and leave without having enjoyed what I’ve seen somewhat (I even enjoyed Legally Blonde last week!), but I’m definitely adding myself to the ‘absolutely hated it’ crowd. Couldn’t wait for it to end.
I asked this board months ago whether I should take my parents to see this (who love this musical), and I’m so glad I took your advice and didn’t get them tickets. When I was sat in the pitch black listening to people whisper into microphones for what felt like an hour I was thinking I would have been mortified if I’d have made them sit through that! And the less said about the dream ballet the better - my eyes rolled so far back in my head I almost lost a contact lens.
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Post by theoracle on May 21, 2022 21:23:05 GMT
As much as I love the original orchestrations, I did really enjoy this. As a Rodgers & Hammerstein fan, Oklahoma was never my favourite but this has made me re-evaluate my feelings towards the material. I'd never seen Arthur Darvill in a musical before so was very pleasantly surprised by his soaring vocals. The whole cast were brilliant and yes, Patrick Vaill and Marisha Wallace deserve all the praise that they're getting. I think the way this show was lit was also very interesting and added to the immersiveness of the show. As others had mentioned however, this could've been blocked better but I loved the enthusiasm to recreate the show the producers and directors put in. I probably enjoyed this more than Carousel last year - there was a 70% standing ovation at the end and there were plenty of laughs throughout as well as moments of suspense and tenderness too.
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Post by theatrebee on May 22, 2022 12:31:15 GMT
I could not stand it. I haven't seen the traditional staging or the movie and made sure not to read anything about the story either so I'd hear it for the first time. Knowing it was done concert-style and not like a traditionally staged musical, I was slightly disappointed even before I went in. I liked the songs but found that the pace of the story was excruciatingly slow, and the concert-style setting did not hold my attention for very long. The story itself seemed to lack depth; I don't know if the fault is in the writing itself or it's just the current production.
In the beginning the actors all looked so intriguing, their facial expressions had an enigmatic, almost inscrutable quality, and so I kept waiting to see some substance or depth or real conflict that went beyond inane bickering, but no such thing ever came. The blackout scene - well I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to take away from it. If anyone could explain to me how that was supposed to contribute, I'd be happy to hear it - I really can't figure out what I'm missing here.
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Post by callum on May 22, 2022 13:02:14 GMT
Enjoyed this a lot on Friday. Firstly the deconstruction of Curly - not seen any film or production of Oklahoma before but presumes he’s normally depicted as the traditional hero. Here, he comes across as an arrogant bully who feels entitled to claim Laurey as his own, with the blackout forcing the audience to listen to his tormenting of Judd.
Equally Judd comes across as a disturbing incel - and the second blackout perhaps alluding to Judd raping Laurey. Then, Curly uses this to take advantage of Laurey and propose to her when she’s most vulnerable.
These are Laurey’s two choices - a pigheaded bully or creepy weirdo. The only time when she can escape either of them is at the end when it’s possible for Curly to be imprisoned for Jude’s murder.
However - for me - Aunt Eller comes across as the ultimate villain of the piece when the trial results as a sham at her insistence. She condemns her niece to a life in a loveless marriage… why? Perhaps because it’s the life she never had as a spinster, or she uses her position as a woman to reinforce the gender structures that always result in a woman ending worse off. Either way, Laurey begins her married life literally covered in the bloodshed of male violence.
Lots of things didn’t work but so what? Two years ago we thought we’d never be back when we were locked indoors, so very happy to spend 15 mins watching interpretative dance - simply because it’s batsh*t crazy performance!
This production shows theatre is still alive!
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Post by dinah on May 22, 2022 16:49:06 GMT
Long time lurker on the forum, first time poster!
I've been following this version of Oklahoma ever since it was announced to go to Broadway and have listened to the cast recording countless times in the past few years. Finally got the chance to see the show last night and it was everything I hoped it would be. Cast were all fantastic, standouts for me were James Davis and Marisha Wallace. I was slightly worried that no one would be able to live up to Damon Daunno's vocals but Arthur Darvill was great.
I think that being very familiar with the original musical might have helped me to enjoy the reinvention more - I went with someone who was pretty unfamiliar with the show and who left feeling that there wasn't much to the storyline or the characters which I disagreed with.
The only part of the show I didn't particularly enjoy was Aunt Eller's character who I also thought came out as the biggest villain of the piece. I'm not entirely sure why but something about the characterisation didn't really work for me, and the relationship between her and Laurey felt very strange.
Despite this, definitely a five star show for me. For what it's worth, I bought my ticket before having a seat allocated and ended up back row of the side stalls which had a great view, and where we ended up getting sprayed with whatever was in those Bud Light cans!
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 22, 2022 16:54:26 GMT
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Post by matty on May 31, 2022 9:22:18 GMT
Well apart from that god awful dream ballet (which made no sense where it was placed), I really enjoyed this last night.
Marisha Wallace and James Davis were the real standout performances, but I thought the whole cast was great. I haven't seen Arthur Darvill on stage before, but thought he did really well as Curly.
Really pleased I got to see this. My inly gripe was that it started 10 minutes late and then the interval ran slightly long, which normally is fine, but when it's a 3 hour show that starts at 7.30, is just a bit much. Especially when you then get stuck behind slow people trying to leave the building.
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Post by anthony40 on May 31, 2022 9:26:08 GMT
After ABBA'S Vogage concert experience last night, I am here tonight.
Ant's gonna be one tired little guy tomorrow let me tell ya!
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Post by sam22 on Jun 3, 2022 16:46:33 GMT
Apparently cancelled tonight?! No details yet
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Jun 3, 2022 17:00:39 GMT
I really really enjoyed this. I'm not familiar with a more traditional staging and maybe I had a better time because I was sat on the table seats on stage and felt more part of the action, but I thought everything (bar the dream ballet) was amazing. I've been a fan of Anoushka Lucas for a while (since JCS Regent's Park) and I also really liked Patrick Vaill's Jud. I'm not sure what to take from the dream ballet sequence because I quite enjoyed Carousel's Louise Ballet sequence, but I guess the latter felt like it served more of a purpose than this one.
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Post by fiyero on Jun 3, 2022 18:21:37 GMT
Apparently cancelled tonight?! No details yet Confirmed Gutting for those who were going tonight when the rest of the run is sold out! (And the cast of course!)
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Post by LaLuPone on Jun 3, 2022 19:24:20 GMT
Do they not have any understudies? I was just thinking there weren’t any listed in the programme, and no extra company members besides main cast.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 4, 2022 0:18:07 GMT
Do they not have any understudies? I was just thinking there weren’t any listed in the programme, and no extra company members besides main cast. We had £10 Lucky Dip tickets for Monday this week (and were VERY* lucky with the seats we got). I was chatting to the usher while awaiting 19.29 when we were to be allocated seats or standing and he said they have no understudies. I asked what would happen if someone was absent and he replied they would probably have to cancel.... * We entered the Young Vic on Monday early at 19.00 - tickets stated 19.20-19.30 entry time - as there was heavy rain at the time and were directed towards the bar to wait. There was another man already there. It turned out we should have gone through one more door. By the time we realised there were two young ladies in front of us. I felt slightly peeved when they got seats in stalls row B but we were allocated two just as good in row D. The two ladies had just sat down when the people who had booked those seats arrived and they had to move. They ended up standing which could so easily have been us. My understanding is that they sell 14 lucky dip tickets @ £10 for each performance. 7 people are allocated to each side of the auditorium. The lucky dips only guarantee a standing position and all seats are sold so if everyone turns up I assume all 14 lucky dippers have to stand and that's pretty high up. On Monday I think only the two unlucky ladies didn't get seats. { Seen this Oklahoma! twice and we have one further booking in a fortnight's time. I'm going to contact the Young Vic offering to return the two tickets if that allows a couple of people who have lost out tonight to see the show, though hopefully they'll put on an extra performance or two for all affected.}
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Post by Dr Tom on Jun 4, 2022 7:34:28 GMT
I did lucky dip as well as couple of weeks ago. First in the queue and got given a printed ticket at about 7:25pm, which was the second (back) row at the band side, but not restricted. An excellent view. First time as well where I've ever received a ticket rather than having to wait until just before the show started. Presumably not sold out that night, or a house seat they'd held back.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 4, 2022 8:30:19 GMT
I did lucky dip as well as couple of weeks ago. First in the queue and got given a printed ticket at about 7:25pm, which was the second (back) row at the band side, but not restricted. An excellent view. First time as well where I've ever received a ticket rather than having to wait until just before the show started. Presumably not sold out that night, or a house seat they'd held back. Yes I think that was the difference, it was sold out on Monday and we weren't given printed tickets, they shut the doors at 7.28 and were shown to our seats at 7.29, end of row D, band side by a performer entry door. Seconds later another door was opened, two people entered with a different usher and the two young ladies moved. I wonder what would have happened if they had refused ? My other booking is in row C which as I recall was sold at a significantly lower price than A, B or D. I tried to work out why, as it doesn't seem any different to B or D. I'm only going to offer back my tickets if they tell me there's a waiting list of people from the cancelled performance as I would like to see it once more, mainly for Marisha Wallace who's the star of the show in my eyes. ( she's in concert with Collabro outdoors at Tonbridge Castle on Sunday 10 July, really looking forward to that one )
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Post by foxa on Jun 4, 2022 11:26:21 GMT
Thought this was a real mixed bag BUT it was one of my first times back in a theatre (we were at a socially distanced performance) and I was engaged throughout even if I was was bit 'heh' about some of the choices (the dream ballet?) But there was so much interesting rethinking of such a well known musical while still being able to enjoy the brilliant songs, I was 4* happy. Mr Foxa was slightly outraged by the ending.
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 4, 2022 16:14:15 GMT
Saw this on Tuesday night. For me the stand out performances were Stavros Demetraki as Ali Hakim and Marisha Wallace as Ado Annie were outstanding.
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