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Post by viserys on May 6, 2022 10:29:54 GMT
I would also like to know! Anything Goes is very beloved on this forum and I don't remember reading any strong negative reaction to it. I would have given that production of Anything Goes two stars at most, as I found it underpowered and partly miscast and Sutton Foster was phoning it in. So yes, I believe that one star ratings are just as legit as the sometimes over the top 5-star-ratings for shows that are "okay" but certainly not overwhelmingly awesome - most recently for example the divide between the hype around Bonnie & Clyde among fans here and on social media and the luke-warm reception in the papers. This production of Oklahoma is certainly very divisive, so I'm absolutely not surprised by any 1-star-reviews by people who hated to see a classic "messed up" like this, nor by 5-star-reviews by people who adore the way "new life was breathed into it" (I personally count myself among the latter, but I fully understand those who would not like it)
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Post by tal on May 6, 2022 10:33:38 GMT
WOS gave it 5 stars.
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Post by Being Alive on May 6, 2022 11:38:48 GMT
That's so interesting viserys thanks - I think I just sometimes look at this that are pretty universally acclaimed and then am always puzzled on here when I see a couple of people ticked one star because it seems so out of step.
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Post by mikey on May 6, 2022 14:01:19 GMT
A genuine question I've always wondered on the star system on some of these threads - have the people who score something one star actually seen the show? I remember a couple of one stars for cabaret and anything goes, and whilst theatre is subjective, I don't think anyone could accuse those productions of being one star. Not trying to start an argument - and if mods want to move this to a more suitable thread that's fine by me. I was just genuinely curious! I voted one star because I paid for a top tier ticket and I could only see about 25% of the performance because of the terrible staging. All I could see was the band. And the parts that I could see weren't good in my opinion.
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Post by couldileaveyou on May 6, 2022 14:08:29 GMT
5* WhatsOnStage, Telegraph 4* Guardian, Evening Standard, iNews, BroadwayWorld, Time Out, The Stage, Times 3* The Independent
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Post by mattnyc on May 6, 2022 14:30:32 GMT
Oh, how I hated this on Broadway. I’m always one who is happy to see older shows like this take chances and do something new but this was a total miss for me on nearly every level. This show has some of the best dance numbers ever written and this production tosses them to the side for whatever reason they decided on (don’t get me started on the “dream ballet” which I believe they put where they did to avoid people walking out).
I just walked out of this wondering “Why”?
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Post by FairyGodmother on May 7, 2022 6:35:51 GMT
That's so interesting viserys thanks - I think I just sometimes look at this that are pretty universally acclaimed and then am always puzzled on here when I see a couple of people ticked one star because it seems so out of step. I tend to cancel out 1 and 5* reviews against each other, which hopefully gets rid of some of the gushers and the moaners, but still shows the trend well enough. It might not work if something is very divisive, but I read the comments for that.
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Post by circelily on May 7, 2022 10:40:03 GMT
It might not work if something is very divisive, but I read the comments for that. I'm going to nick that technique. Wise.
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Post by Rory on May 7, 2022 11:49:38 GMT
I know there has been a lot of discussion about dodgy or terrible views from top price seats but if you've paid for a top tier seat then where is the best place to sit for this? Is it upper level?
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Post by Dr Tom on May 7, 2022 11:58:45 GMT
I know there has been a lot of discussion about dodgy or terrible views from top price seats but if you've paid for a top tier seat then where is the best place to sit for this? Is it upper level? Back row of the side stalls, at the performance end (as opposed to the band end) if possible. First level might be fine too, in which case you could go for the central seats, but you’re still a fair way back due to the positioning of the band.
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Post by Rory on May 7, 2022 13:17:47 GMT
I know there has been a lot of discussion about dodgy or terrible views from top price seats but if you've paid for a top tier seat then where is the best place to sit for this? Is it upper level? Back row of the side stalls, at the performance end (as opposed to the band end) if possible. First level might be fine too, in which case you could go for the central seats, but you’re still a fair way back due to the positioning of the band. Thanks very much for this Dr Tom
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Post by Steve on May 7, 2022 23:31:53 GMT
Saw the matinee today, and was flabbergasted at how original it was, in a good way: it was as if every character became a sullen teenager, unwilling to smile or dance, with the decrease in agreeableness, echoed in the affectless anodyne unpleasing surface of the rehearsal room setting, somehow illuminating the interior intensity of every interaction. Familiarity with the material, previous stage versions and concerts, as well as film versions (if you haven't seen any version before, I'd recommend watching one or two of the film versions first), will massively enhance the gut punch of the alien approach adopted here. . . Some spoilers follow. . . Having seen quite a few versions of this show, this is by far the least agreeable approach I have ever seen to this material, in the lack of exultant energy, and in the dearth of sexed-up surface. I mean, even the stripped back Albert Hall prom version was luscious and over-the-top in its exuberant staging and devil-may-care dancing, compared to this sulky, moody, affectless and challenging presentation. Ironically, the uneffusive moodiness of the characters ultimately makes the moment to moment experience of the show more sultry and mysterious, and more interesting, than it usually is, even if it is less of a confection, less sweet and pleasurable, but more thrillingly dangerous and revealing. Anoushka Lucas, terrific as Mary Magdalene in JCSS at Regents Park (in some moments, she gave Tyrone Huntley's exceptional Judas a run for his silver), is amusingly disinterested and sullen for almost the entire running time here, like an Amalia from "She Loves Me," but one who refuses to brighten. Except in song, where like any sullen teenager, the scent of sex is fuel for an interior intensity, that drives passionate vocal expression, belying a standoffish surface. If Lucas is the anchor of the show, the standout performances in her orbit are undoubtedly those of Marisha Wallace and Patrick Vaill. Although, in keeping with the production, Wallace is never ingratiating, she is the least sulky, most comically imposingly selfish of all the characters, and coupled with Wallace's fabulous voice (as seen in "Dream Girls") and pin point comic timing (as seen in "Waitress"), she thunders through this show like an hilarious hormonal hurricane. Vaill's achingly alienated "teen" Jud is marginalised teen squared, sinisterly reminiscent of the sort of outsiders who threaten high school violence IRL. The production goes all Van Hove on him, blasting cinema screen size images of his disaffected self-loathing face onto the back wall, and I have never felt for any Jud as much as him, despite how scary and explosive he threatens to be. Also, I loved seeing Greg Hicks in this, another chameleon of a performer, who tends to appear in hard-nosed productions, and is as hard-nosed as ever, in this, as the judge. Overall, this show is so internalised, that it often fails to convey it's narrative, which must be bolstered by familiarity with the material, but it is a striking and original, strangely affecting and unforgettable version of the show. In my opinion. 4 stars from me.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 8:35:56 GMT
4 stars from me as well - it would have been 5 but the dream ballet is so astonishingly awful that I had to knock off at least one star.
I can only think that they have moved the dream ballet to Act II to stop people walking out at the interval, because up until then I and the rest of the audience were loving the show. Then we get a seemingly interminable piece of dance that makes very little sense and certainly makes no sense in the context of the rest of the show, with music loud enough to give anyone a headache (though I do appreciate the re-imagining of the score and why it was loud, it went too far). I couldn't wait for it to end and most of the audience seemed as bewildered by as I was.
It's a shame, because both before and after that the rest of the show is largely fantastic. Arthur Darvill and Anouska Lucas are both doing exceptional work, Liza Sadovy is having a huge amount of fun, Patrick Vaill has clearly refined his character over the many years he has played it and Marisha Wallace brought the house down with I Can't Say No (despite a couple of far too over the top notes at the start). The band are excellent too.
They need to fix the mic balance as sometimes I struggled to hear the actors clearly, but that was a minor issue overall. The staging is interesting but it seems to me to be a show crammed into a space that is slightly too small for it (though thinking about it I'm not sure Circle in the Square is much bigger). It somehow works as a concept, but no-one is going to have a perfect view - if you are downstairs you will at some point have someone's back to you and everyone upstairs seemed to be leaning forward at times. But row D stalls is I think the best view as it is raised up and the view is mostly clear, even down at the band end. I can see why they aren't filming it for broadcast, as there just isn't any space to do it - it would be impossible.
Overall a really interesting and fresh take on a show we all know (and which although revolutionary at the time is rather dated now), just a shame it loses its way so badly for 15 minutes in the middle.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 8, 2022 9:23:46 GMT
The dream ballet in OAT Carousel was controversial last year, although I didn’t mind it personally. But I wonder why when a show is being reimagined so drastically they insist on keeping these ballet sequences in?
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Post by theatrefan77 on May 8, 2022 13:45:23 GMT
I didn't like this at all. Thought it was bad on so many levels. It looks more like a workshop or a school project than a proper professional production. That dance sequence was just so awful, felt sorry for the poor girl who can certainly dance and deserves better choreography. And she was wearing an awful "Dream Baby Dream' t-shirt, just in case the audience doesn't realise that the dream sequence has arrived, so bad!
Good cast but very pretentious, bland, dull and boring production. Just my two cents.
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Post by digne on May 10, 2022 12:31:01 GMT
My visit started off with disappointment when I saw that my £10 seat meant I'd been allocated the unreserved gallery seats - before, every time I'd bought a ticket in a cheap category at the Young Vic before they'd finished seating plans, I'd ended up with a great seat regardless.
The view wasn't too bad though since the Young Vic is so small; you're still really close and just have to lean forward.
Apart from that, what a wonderful evening. This seems to be one of those productions you either love or hate, and I loved it. I can't remember the last time I sat in a theatre that was filled with such a palpabable tension. I thought the blackouts were used to great effect too - how chilling to hear Curly whisper suicide fantasies into Jud's ear in utter darkness.
Standout performance for me was Marisha Wallace as Ado Annie. I also caught myself thinking during the final song that I should really get another of the cheap gallery seats to see it again...
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Post by inthenose on May 10, 2022 15:42:22 GMT
Also saw this last night. Didn't like it.
I knew it was a "reimagining" so I adjusted mentally, but it left me completely cold. I also went for a tenner and was given a "top" seat. Is there even a good seat in the house?!
Lots of raves here about the cast, personally I didn't see it. What was going on with the tee shirt(s)? Blown notes. There are a couple of very attractive people, but that is not exactly a reason to upmark this. It felt cheap cheap cheap and the lighting designer has stolen a paycheck.
And the dream ballet was worse than I'd heard.
What I did like was how brazen... sorry clear... they made it within seconds of what type of "Oklahoma" this would be. He picks up a guitar and looks at the audience as if to say "this is what we are doing folks".
I thought the singing was really poor at times too.
2* from me.
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Post by theatrelover123 on May 10, 2022 19:33:45 GMT
My visit started off with disappointment when I saw that my £10 seat meant I'd been allocated the unreserved gallery seats - before, every time I'd bought a ticket in a cheap category at the Young Vic before they'd finished seating plans, I'd ended up with a great seat regardless. The view wasn't too bad though since the Young Vic is so small; you're still really close and just have to lean forward. Apart from that, what a wonderful evening. This seems to be one of those productions you either love or hate, and I loved it. I can't remember the last time I sat in a theatre that was filled with such a palpabable tension. I thought the blackouts were used to great effect too - how chilling to hear Curly whisper suicide fantasies into Jud's ear in utter darkness. Standout performance for me was Marisha Wallace as Ado Annie. I also caught myself thinking during the final song that I should really get another of the cheap gallery seats to see it again... Don’t think that’s true. I neither loved it not nor hated it. I liked some parts. I loved some parts. I admired some parts. I didn’t like some parts. I hated some parts. I thought some things were worth trying but ultimately failed.
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Post by harry on May 11, 2022 12:00:04 GMT
Loved this last night. I can’t say I really “got” the ballet, but otherwise I thought it was pretty fabulous. It’s by turns genuinely both life affirmingly joyous and horrific and disturbing, and for me that really worked. Playing on our expectations of an old fashioned musical and the archetypal characters within them, it really does seem to have its cake and eat it.
For example, when the company first sing the title song we’re almost dancing along with them. After the way the ending is staged and acted, when the song is reprised in the finale you felt the audience was willing them to stop.
It’s also amazing how a little emphasis here, a nod there can bring out very contemporary resonances both comedic and serious in a show pushing 80years of age. It’s Shakespearean in that sense.
Plus with that bright lighting there’s lots of audience watching opportunities. Star spotting too if you’re lucky - Emma Thompson on the opposite side of the auditorium to us last night!
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Post by danb on May 11, 2022 14:24:04 GMT
My son has gone today on our ten pound tickets and been moved to dead centre dress circle. I hope he enjoys it. I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t.
Edit: he loved it and had some sort of theatrical epiphany. I don’t have the heart to recount the years of student drama I watched.
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Post by Boob on May 12, 2022 18:31:08 GMT
Some things I really liked about this (take a bow Patrick Vaill), many things I hated. It left me thinking, but overall I don’t think I liked it.
But what I REALLY want to know is - are they really drinking Bud Light throughout the show?!?
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Post by couldileaveyou on May 12, 2022 18:37:27 GMT
Some things I really liked about this (take a bow Patrick Vaill), many things I hated. It left me thinking, but overall I don’t think I liked it. But what I REALLY want to know is - are they really drinking Bud Light throughout the show?!? Nope!
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Post by cheri78 on May 13, 2022 7:45:14 GMT
A FOH told me it was soda water, with especially printed cans. It needed to be something fizzy to get the"pop" as it opened.
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Post by MoreLife on May 13, 2022 10:50:28 GMT
Some of the comments here make for a rather fascinating read (for me, that is) - while I expected this to be divisive, I did not expect people to full on "hate" it on the basis that it's not what they'd want Oklahoma to look and sound like.
First thing first, let me start by saying that I did enjoy this production of 'Oklahoma'. Did I find it perfect? No, but I'd definitely consider seeing it again to get a chance to focus on details I may have missed the first time.
But I'm a rather unusual audience member, in that I have never seen the movie, nor had I seen another (more traditional) staging of the same material before. I had tried at some point to listen to the original recording / watch the NT video and... I gave up after a few minutes out of boredom. The material didn't seem to speak to me, it didn't thrill me, there was little I enjoyed in the way it sounded, etc. So, for sure, I walked into the Young Vic with very fresh eyes and ears.
This production gave me something that, from a musical viewpoint, intrigued me: the folksy/country orchestrations suddenly made the music sound like it belongs to geographical setting of the show, and the people on stage, with the clothes they're wearing and the way the look, move, and talk could actually be the inhabitants of a small town in that part of the world. If you have ever travelled through rural parts of the US, where you can drive for hours through fields and nothingness, if you've ever stopped in one of those tiny towns where everybody knows everybody else, you may recognise that sense of it being stuck in that small world where the height of your social life is the local country fair...
Yes, there's more than a touch of self-complacency in some of the staging choices: the use of videocameras and live projections à la Ivo van Hove, the alternate use of stark lighting and long black outs... I certainly appreciate it cannot be to everyone's liking, and some will just not enjoy it, and they have all the rights not to. But I could see rather clearly that most of those "tricks of the trade" had been consciously chosen to try and tell an old story in a different way, and without shying away from its darkest parts (which traditionally would perhaps be hidden in the midst of saccharine-filled, dance-y ensemble numbers).
Would it have been equally interesting to present the old 'Oklahoma' again?
I can only think of my experience last year, when I went to see 'Anything goes', and I was left cold and not very much entertained at all. In fact, I was primarily bored by it. Everything was technically very polished on that stage, but nothing about that production thrilled me or made me think or feel things.
By contrast, to me this production of Oklahoma is commendable in that it proves that theatre is alive and kicking and tries to evolve. Sure, not all the choices and not all the routes taken pay off in equal measure, but - to paraphrase a very wise man - they are moving on and are giving us more to see...
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Post by jaggy on May 14, 2022 18:12:13 GMT
This has practically sold out and probably will before the end of its run.
Does anyone think or have heard rumours of a planned transfer?
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