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Post by nottobe on Jun 5, 2022 11:07:28 GMT
I saw this last night and it was a very mixed bag. I know the show quite well but was excited to see it reimagined as loved Carousel at Regents Park last year. I thought the first act was brilliant and had great pacing as well staging. Was not a fan of the black out section as it made me lose focus on what was being said and just worry about being in the dark, but other than that the first act was great. Then the second half happened. The interval lasted longer than it should have due to a tech issue which I didn’t find too bad but maybe it caused a pacing issue in the second half. The dream ballet was awful and did not make any sense in this version and would have been better going straight into the barn dance. This seemed to Ben the start of the downfall for me as the rest of act two just dragged and all felt overlong. In the end I didn’t care about any of the characters and it just felt drawn out.
I’ve never had this sort reaction to a show before of loving act one and disliking act two and am still trying to work out what changed. The cast are all uniformly brilliant and think it is down to the direction.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 5, 2022 12:44:27 GMT
Dream ballet aside I generally loved this. Act 2 brilliantly hits you in the stomach.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 5, 2022 14:49:23 GMT
In the traditional Oklahoma! staging Jud Fry's death isn't really caused by Curly - he falls on his own knife - and it's arguable whether Curly had a case to answer even as self defence.
In this version Curly shoots Jud in cold blood and there's no way that could be argued as self defence yet the impromptu trial proceeds in the same way with the same verdict.
I felt that was an unwarranted change and it didn't even seem to follow events in the dream ballet(though I have to confess I momentarily nodded off during that longgg dulll bit so may have missed something)
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 9, 2022 12:35:59 GMT
What is the meaning/purpose of the lighting change in Surrey With A Fringe On Top?
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Post by Rory on Jun 9, 2022 12:52:12 GMT
Enjoyed this a lot on Friday. Firstly the deconstruction of Curly - not seen any film or production of Oklahoma before but presumes he’s normally depicted as the traditional hero. Here, he comes across as an arrogant bully who feels entitled to claim Laurey as his own, with the blackout forcing the audience to listen to his tormenting of Judd.
Equally Judd comes across as a disturbing incel - and the second blackout perhaps alluding to Judd raping Laurey. Then, Curly uses this to take advantage of Laurey and propose to her when she’s most vulnerable.
These are Laurey’s two choices - a pigheaded bully or creepy weirdo. The only time when she can escape either of them is at the end when it’s possible for Curly to be imprisoned for Jude’s murder.
However - for me - Aunt Eller comes across as the ultimate villain of the piece when the trial results as a sham at her insistence. She condemns her niece to a life in a loveless marriage… why? Perhaps because it’s the life she never had as a spinster, or she uses her position as a woman to reinforce the gender structures that always result in a woman ending worse off. Either way, Laurey begins her married life literally covered in the bloodshed of male violence.
Lots of things didn’t work but so what? Two years ago we thought we’d never be back when we were locked indoors, so very happy to spend 15 mins watching interpretative dance - simply because it’s batsh*t crazy performance!
This production shows theatre is still alive! Really enjoyed your review which illuminated what I saw yesterday. Overall I liked it a lot and thought that Marisha Wallace, Patrick Vaill, James Davis and Stavros Demetraki were the standouts for me. Have to be honest, I didn't understand the purpose of the dream ballet at all, can someone please enlighten me?
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Post by Jon on Jun 9, 2022 14:03:22 GMT
I always assume dream ballets were a way to give actors a bit of a break from singing.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Jun 9, 2022 18:34:24 GMT
They are certainly a throwback to the 19th century Grand Opera tradition of extended ballet sequences. This certainly was an influence on operetta of the same period which then influenced many of the early creators of what we now know as musicals.
So many US composers and lyricists were from immigrant families that it was inevitable that they drew on the traditions of the music that was part of their heritage.
In some of the really big operas of the 19th century, the ballet was there to provide spectacle and drama. No doubt it also gave the singers a rest. When you are doing a 4 hour opera, having a break in Act 3 would be very welcome.
Of course in musicals the singers are often expected to be part of the extended dance sequences so they don't benefit from the break!
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Post by anthony40 on Jun 14, 2022 11:03:40 GMT
I saw this about two weeks ago and have been thinking about it ever since. Whilst Oklahoma! (clearly) works as a show- look how long it’s been around- whilst there some stand out performances, for me, as a whole, this production didn’t work.
I get it; it was stripped back, it had lost most of its ensemble but it was just lacking… something!
Firstly, Arthur Darvill as Curley. I have seen this guy in a few things, he’s the first Curly I’ve seen who didn’t actually have curls.
The character is named because if his curls.
I didn’t like the sexualising of Will Parker. On several occasions this guy was up on a table thrusting his groin. James Davis certainty captured that Will Parker wasn’t the smartest cowboy but for me, over sexualising the character didn’t work.
Whilst the whole scene between Curley and Jud Fry is necessary, it’s never a comfortable watch because you as the audience are on the side of the hero- Curley and in this scene we learn what type of man Jud Fry is and the menace he could potentially be.
In this production, the fact that the lights were turned off with a camera in their face I found both unnecessary and distracting.
The dance was completely out of context and (again) unnecessary.
For me, the two stand out performances were from Marisha Wallace as Ado Annie and Stavros Demetraki as Ali Hakim
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Post by theatrekiwi on Jun 20, 2022 13:53:31 GMT
Just received a message that the performance I had tickets for tonight is cancelled. Checked the Young Vic Instagram which is saying that performances today and tomorrow are cancelled due to illness.
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Post by Dr Tom on Jun 25, 2022 20:17:20 GMT
Excellent muck-up matinee today with everyone of form and having a lot of fun (the show didn't finish until 17:50).
They've added a new preshow element where a cute male usher reads erotic cowboy fiction to the audience (ok, to be fair, that was mainly just for the Lucky Dippers - we did all get found excellent seats too).
Arthur Darvill was on top form. Lots of vocal riffs and jamming with the band for extended versions of songs.
The cast got the normally perfectly composed Patrick Vaill to burst into laughter multiple times.
There were small changes throughout, but most of the joking around took place during The Farmer and the Cowman. Arthur soaking the crowd with "beer" (just missed me). Liza Sadovy (Aunt Eller) getting carried away and kissing many of the male cast, the cast having cooked corn to eat and chew on, there was a lot more.
A really enthusiastic crowd too, with extended clapping and even adding applause to songs that don't normally receive it.
Disappointed I couldn't make the closing show tonight, but I'm sure it will be excellent. Thankfully, I was given a very strong hint that this is due to transfer (fingers crossed).
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Post by thistimetomorrow on Jun 25, 2022 22:17:45 GMT
Excellent muck-up matinee today with everyone of form and having a lot of fun Oh so gutted to have missed this! Would have loved to see the show a 2nd time before it closed, but definitely keeping my fingers crossed for a transfer.
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Post by Rory on Jun 25, 2022 23:10:37 GMT
Wonder where this is transferring to? My guess is the Noel Coward.
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Post by barrowside on Jun 26, 2022 11:00:42 GMT
Will it be going into a conventional proscenium format if it transfers or will the theatre be adapted?
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Post by Jon on Jun 26, 2022 11:25:15 GMT
My suggestion for any transfer is Nimax's new theatre.
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 26, 2022 12:41:32 GMT
I saw the matinee yesterday and loved it more than I thought I would honestly, all the directorial choices worked for me and I wasn't expecting that (well I guess except the dram ballet since I just really don't know what they were going for but I knew that going in so I could enjoy the music and choreography for their own sake rather than trying to find some narrative relevance beyond those very final moments with Just).
As far as a transfer goes I hope they retain the current set up. For as divisive as this show already is, I have only heard it's even worse with the US tour which restages the show for a proscenium arch. I've basically read no positive responses and lots of people remarking on the number of walkouts too. Even having loved the show I can't imagine myself enjoying it like that. Most of the choices feel so wholly designed around the audience effectively being on stage and part of the show - keeping the stage lights up the whole show, the blackouts, the projections, the audience interaction - I can't picture any of that would work properly in a traditional set up.
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Post by Mark on Jun 30, 2022 12:23:13 GMT
Baz has confirmed Shauns (Theatrefans) rumour that this is indeed getting a transfer.
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Post by Jon on Jun 30, 2022 12:24:39 GMT
Baz has confirmed Shauns (Theatrefans) rumour that this is indeed getting a transfer. Has he said what theatre?
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Post by juicy_but_terribly_drab on Jun 30, 2022 12:29:55 GMT
This was supposedly going to be filmed right? But as far as I can tell it hasn't. Is it possible knowing that a transfer was coming they've decided to do it at the new venue instead? If it's going to be staged in a proscenium arch then it'll certainly be easier, I've no idea how they could have done it at the Young Vic. I still think a transfer is ill-advised unless they can keep the staging but I suppose if we get a pro-shot out of it then maybe it's worth it.
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Post by Rory on Jun 30, 2022 12:49:41 GMT
Baz has confirmed Shauns (Theatrefans) rumour that this is indeed getting a transfer. Has he said what theatre? No, just confirmed the rumour.
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 30, 2022 13:22:47 GMT
It's going into a set up like the US Tour, so into a proscenium.
Always on the cards with Sonia Freidman and Michael Harrison as co-producers
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Post by inthenose on Jun 30, 2022 13:24:34 GMT
Will they bite the bullet and change that cursed dream "ballet"? One of the longest 10-15 minutes I've ever spent in a theatre - it felt like hours.
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Post by Rory on Jun 30, 2022 13:35:20 GMT
It's going into a set up like the US Tour, so into a proscenium. Always on the cards with Sonia Freidman and Michael Harrison as co-producers Any hints where?
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Post by Being Alive on Jun 30, 2022 13:48:56 GMT
Will they bite the bullet and change that cursed dream "ballet"? One of the longest 10-15 minutes I've ever spent in a theatre - it felt like hours. No, that stays I'm afraid. It's very marmite (I also hated it) but it does work in the context of the production I guess
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Post by inthenose on Jun 30, 2022 13:50:19 GMT
Will they bite the bullet and change that cursed dream "ballet"? One of the longest 10-15 minutes I've ever spent in a theatre - it felt like hours. No, that stays I'm afraid. It's very marmite (I also hated it) but it does work in the context of the production I guess Pity, I might've gone back and given this another chance but I really don't think I can sit through that again. It was like watching someone have a seizure and being unable to help them
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Post by Jon on Jun 30, 2022 14:03:20 GMT
It's going into a set up like the US Tour, so into a proscenium. Always on the cards with Sonia Freidman and Michael Harrison as co-producers I'm guessing that means it's going to a traditional theatre like the Noel Coward rather than the new Nimax theatre which is meant to be flexible.
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