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Post by Jan on Jul 13, 2021 9:46:36 GMT
If you're going to criticise her for enabling racism it might be wise, if you're not from an Indian-heritage family yourself, to at least acknowledge her own lived experience of racism otherwise you open yourself up to the same accusation. I do acknowledge it, that doesn't change the fact that she is a hypocrite. And it is not for me to tell Tyrone Mings to acknowledge anyone else's experience when he is talking about his own. Why is she a hypocrite ? Mings has made a specific claim, that she is only pretending to be disgusted by racist abuse. Despite the fact she's suffered racist abuse herself. That isn't talking about his own experience, it's disregarding hers. |
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Post by vdcni on Jul 13, 2021 10:54:37 GMT
Yes I'm sure she has suffered racist abuse but that didn't stop her accusing the English team of practicing gesture politics for protesting against racism and refusing to condemn those who booed them for it.
She doesn't get to do that and then turn round and condemn the racists later on without getting some backlash against her hypocrisy.
In the same way she is putting in place virulently anti immigrant policies despite coming from an immigrant background herself.
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Post by karloscar on Jul 13, 2021 12:57:10 GMT
Priti Patel's own family would have been deported under her proposed immigration policies. Just because you've been racially abused yourself doesn't mean you can't discriminate even more extremely against other vulnerable people. She's a total hypocrite!
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Post by Jan on Jul 13, 2021 12:58:36 GMT
Yes I'm sure she has suffered racist abuse but that didn't stop her accusing the English team of practicing gesture politics for protesting against racism and refusing to condemn those who booed them for it. She doesn't get to do that and then turn round and condemn the racists later on without getting some backlash against her hypocrisy. In the same way she is putting in place virulently anti immigrant policies despite coming from an immigrant background herself. Well you can't claim the England team taking the knee isn't gesture politics - that's literally exactly what it is, that's a simple matter of definition. The UK government, with her as Home Secretary, have given right of residence to 5.4 million Hong Kong Chinese who had no automatic right to live here. This is a humanitarian gesture as they may be subject to political repression in Hong Kong. Not all will come, but it is estimated 300,000 will. This figure dwarfs the 30,000 Ugandan Asians who were admitted after being expelled by the racist Ugandan regime in the 1960s. It is hard to characterise this policy as "virulently eni-immigrant". |
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Post by cherokee on Jul 13, 2021 13:58:25 GMT
Yes I'm sure she has suffered racist abuse but that didn't stop her accusing the English team of practicing gesture politics for protesting against racism and refusing to condemn those who booed them for it. She doesn't get to do that and then turn round and condemn the racists later on without getting some backlash against her hypocrisy. In the same way she is putting in place virulently anti immigrant policies despite coming from an immigrant background herself. Well you can't claim the England team taking the knee isn't gesture politics - that's literally exactly what it is, that's a simple matter of definition. The UK government, with her as Home Secretary, have given right of residence to 5.4 million Hong Kong Chinese who had no automatic right to live here. This is a humanitarian gesture as they may be subject to political repression in Hong Kong. Not all will come, but it is estimated 300,000 will. This figure dwarfs the 30,000 Ugandan Asians who were admitted after being expelled by the racist Ugandan regime in the 1960s. It is hard to characterise this policy as "virulently eni-immigrant". The footballers are not politicians though, are they? It seems to me, you can only really accuse professional politicians of indulging in 'gesture politics'. It's a derisive and derogatory term for something that doesn't really achieve (and probably isn't even intended to achieve) anything, and is done mainly for effect. Taking the knee is hardly that - indeed it has sparked a massive debate about racism, and was for a while being deployed by the government in their latest sally in the cultural wars they spend(waste) so much time pursuing. Although it now looks as if that tactic has backfired on them. The Hong Kong policy is one exception amongst the many UKIP-facing policies this Vote Leave government has conducted: including the creation of a new hostile environment for EU nationals, and for asylum seekers. And this from a Home Office that is still stained by its treatment of the Windrush Generation. I don't think even Priti Patel's most avid supporters would seriously suggest that she is pro-immigration... In fact, her USP is her strident anti-immigration stance. (Although sadly amongst the current crop of Tory politicians this is hardly unique.) |
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Post by vdcni on Jul 13, 2021 14:39:02 GMT
Yes I'm sure she has suffered racist abuse but that didn't stop her accusing the English team of practicing gesture politics for protesting against racism and refusing to condemn those who booed them for it. She doesn't get to do that and then turn round and condemn the racists later on without getting some backlash against her hypocrisy. In the same way she is putting in place virulently anti immigrant policies despite coming from an immigrant background herself. Well you can't claim the England team taking the knee isn't gesture politics - that's literally exactly what it is, that's a simple matter of definition. The UK government, with her as Home Secretary, have given right of residence to 5.4 million Hong Kong Chinese who had no automatic right to live here. This is a humanitarian gesture as they may be subject to political repression in Hong Kong. Not all will come, but it is estimated 300,000 will. This figure dwarfs the 30,000 Ugandan Asians who were admitted after being expelled by the racist Ugandan regime in the 1960s. It is hard to characterise this policy as "virulently eni-immigrant". So being against racism is politics now is it, showing your opposition to racism is just a gesture? I'll tell you what gesture politics is, a politician getting a professionally shot photo of herself in a England shirt just out of the wrapper and posting it on social media. And I noticed you ignored the point about condemning the booing, why was racism fine then and not now, maybe because the team did so well and Johnson and Patel realised they were on the losing side of the argument and make a token gesture and were rightly called up as hypocrites. Have you read the new immigration bill, trying to criminalise asylum seekers who come into the country in the 'wrong' way even though that is in opposition to International law, authority to house them in camps and offshore as standard practice despite the conditions of some existing camps being so disgusting that the courts have declared them unfit for purpose. Genuine fears that the RNLI could be prosecuted for rescuing asylum seekers at sea. Increasing the proof threshold for anyone trying to claim asylum, particularly damaging for those fleeing oppression due to sexual orientation or gender identity. New attempts to limit their access to the courts. |
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Post by anthony40 on Jul 13, 2021 16:47:27 GMT
So I must admit, I found myself in quandary on Sunday. As a non-sporting fan (never have been, really can't see that changing in the foreseeable future) and not being English, or Italian for that matter- despite my physical appearance-I wan't too sure what category I fell into.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 14, 2021 15:04:35 GMT
I didn't realise the 'fans' had done this  |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Jul 14, 2021 15:13:16 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 14, 2021 15:26:38 GMT
Whoops. I blame my app!
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Post by Jon on Jul 15, 2021 2:20:36 GMT
I assume the Wyndham's has building insurance that would cover the damage although Cameron could easily get Westminster Council to foot the bill.
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Post by lynette on Jul 15, 2021 17:59:26 GMT
I get annoyed about the damage the so called fans make. The police are all over women who hold vigils aren’t they? But when they knew well in advance that fans would turn up without tickets and with one intention, that is to wreck mayhem on the west end, why didn't they block off roads and buildings, place checks on the roads and stations into London and at least have a hefty presence and zero tolerance policy on the street? Then I see we have made Cressida Dick a dame or something. Did they arrest anyone? For indecent exposure, criminal damage, assault…all there on the little home made movies. So cute, eh?
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Post by frappuccino on Jul 16, 2021 12:22:21 GMT
I get annoyed about the damage the so called fans make. The police are all over women who hold vigils aren’t they? But when they knew well in advance that fans would turn up without tickets and with one intention, that is to wreck mayhem on the west end, why didn't they block off roads and buildings, place checks on the roads and stations into London and at least have a hefty presence and zero tolerance policy on the street? Then I see we have made Cressida Dick a dame or something. Did they arrest anyone? For indecent exposure, criminal damage, assault…all there on the little home made movies. So cute, eh? The way they treated the vigil was DISGUSTING. |
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