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Post by anthony40 on Dec 8, 2021 8:29:52 GMT
Or smaller musicals, like Ordinary Days or High Fidelity
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Post by Mark on Dec 9, 2021 10:44:38 GMT
I am going tomorrow to watch on the iSense screen. Very much looking forward to this one.
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Post by Jon on Dec 10, 2021 17:21:45 GMT
Went with my friend to see West Side Story this afternoon and have to say Spielberg's done a great job in taking what is an iconic musical and adding an extra layer that wasn't there before without really changing much. The stars of the film are most certainly Mike Faist, Ariana DeBose, Rita Moreno and Rachel Zegler who give great performances, Ansel Elgort is serviceable as Tony but he is outshone by his co-stars. One thing I noticed was two of Mike Faist's co-stars from Newsies play Jets which was a really neat touch but given how dance intensive that show was, it's no surprise they ended up in WSS.
The choreography is stunning and proves that WSS doesn't need to be tied down to Jerome Robbins, iconic as his choreography was and Tony Kushner's script is very good, it doesn't side with either the Jets or the Sharks which is quite a good balance and the use of Spanish by the Puerto Rican characters was a great addition and felt natural.
All in all, it's still the same West Side Story that we all know and love and I can see it well come awards time.
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Post by Being Alive on Dec 10, 2021 17:30:25 GMT
Just out of the first screening of the day at my local cinema.
Agree that Ansel Elgort is serviceable but not much more than that - although I haven't ever seen a Tony that was more than that.
Otherwise this is sensational. This film is going to catapult Ariana DeBose and especially Rachel Zegler into the spotlight and they're going to become massive stars (I hope in more movie musicals). A Boy Like That/I Have A Heart for me was the film's highlight and the moment the two women soared above the already sensational movie. An inspired choice for Rita Moreno as Valentina - it works perfectly and her performance of Somewhere is...breathtaking.
Agree with the above - this is a show with ICONIC choreography and if you're going to do new choreography it has to be as exciting and this absolutely was.
Spielberg's best film for decades, and I look forward to awards season when it will undoubtedly be looked upon fondly.
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Post by Mark on Dec 10, 2021 17:33:31 GMT
Absolutely loved it. Ariana DeBose in particular was incredible. Definitely one to see on the big screen.
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Post by stuartmcd on Dec 10, 2021 18:02:11 GMT
Loved it! Definitely one to see on the big screen if you can. Spielberg is truly cementing himself as one of the greatest filmmakers. Brilliant performances across the board particularly from Ariana DeBose, Mike Faist and David Alvarez.
If I had one minor nitpick is that I think the emotion at the end could have been more heightened. It felt like it could have maybe been drawn out a little bit longer as it felt a bit brief.
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Post by frontrowcentre on Dec 10, 2021 21:39:21 GMT
Saw it this afternoon on IMAX. Absolutely loved it. Ariana DeBose and the choreography are the highlights for me. Just checked IMDB trivia, which I love after watching a movie, three original broadway cast members from Mean Girls and three ex Billy Elliots (including the actor playing Bernardo) are in the film.
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Post by Dr Tom on Dec 10, 2021 22:10:10 GMT
Got to say this looked and sounded stunning! I wasn't planning to go the first day due to the crowds, but my local cinema (Vue Westfield Shepherds Bush) had about 10 showings today. The early evening performance I went to only had about 20 people in (although I still managed to get two people who wanted to talk sat behind). Surprised to find out they have an 11:30pm showing there too.
Not much to add to what others have said. It's updated in a way that makes logical sense, but the period is captured well. The song sequence is a bit odd but this all builds to the climax and this gets very dark at times. I could have done with the lights staying off a bit longer at the end to soak it in (although I suspect the emotion didn't get to the couple behind me as they were already talking again even before the credits started rolling). But really, I don't think this could have been done any better - and it should win awards!
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Post by sprampster on Dec 10, 2021 22:51:55 GMT
A stunning adaptation and for me a brilliant reframing. Played Riff many years ago in the now defunct Spitalfields Market Opera Theatre ( anybody remember that venue?) and its one of those shows that never leaves you.
For me I actually loved ALL the performances.
From a visual point of view as well its BREATHTAKING! So many images and close ups that are reminiscent of classic MGM movie musicals. Its actually very clever in all its knowing tributes to the original film and the era of classic film adaptations.
Above all the passion is so evident from the first opening sequence to the end credits. Have to say I could never engage with the original stagey dubbed pastiche dance based film adaptation from back in the day. Even then I remember seeing it as a child in the 70s and thinking THEY ARE ALL OLD lol! But this you see their age their inexperience and their vulnerability. ESPECIALLY in the harsh Anita vs the Jets in Docs drugstore.
Anyway GO SEE IT!
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Post by crabtree on Dec 10, 2021 23:25:55 GMT
How exciting to have such positive reviews, and I can't wait to see it. I have been cautious with Spielberg after the mess of Hook and War Horse, neither film doing the source material justice. But here.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 0:24:27 GMT
This film has one major flaw, which is that Ariana DeBose isn't in it enough.
She is magnetic - whenever she was on screen, even in the background, I didn't notice anyone or anything else. Flawless, and I will be astounded and angry if her name is not on the Oscars nomination list in a few months' time!
Joking aside about the "major" flaw, this is largely a masterpiece with a few minor niggles. Visually it is stunning, and the additional historic context is necessary and works perfectly.
I adored that the Spanish isn't subtitled, and as I suspected if you are even paying half an ounce of attention you will get the meaning without any problem whatsoever due to the exceptionally talented Sharks cast. DeBose steals the film but David Alvarez is also fantastic. Their chemistry is electric and the scenes with Anita and Bernardo are highlights. America is jaw-droppingly good.
DeBose and Alvarez's chemistry does make the lack of chemistry between Ansel Elgort and Rachel Zegler more obvious, but on her own Zegler is largely excellent. Her voice is angelic and her acting mostly strong (A Boy Like That/I Have a Love is exceptional from both ladies), and she did really well with an ending that is rushed (though I understand why it was), but I thought she fell a bit flat at the start of the first meeting between Tony and Maria after the rumble. It didnt hit the emotional punch I was expecting. That is partly due to Elgort as well though, as his acting just isn't great. He moves well and some of his singing is decent (though his vocal coach clearly didn't do enough work on his hugely distracting vibrato) but for some reason his acting only really works in his scenes with Rita Moreno. The rest fall flat.
Mike Faist and Paloma Garcia-Lee are great and Rita Moreno is wonderful. Somewhere made me sob and the scene between her and DeBose was both of them at the top of their game. Heart-wrenching.
Minor niggles about Elgort and one of the songs aside, I really did love this. Might see it again tomorrow.
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Post by nash16 on Dec 11, 2021 1:44:44 GMT
Can’t wait to see this on Sunday.
Any advice how to avoid watching the Elgort parts? Those allegations made me want them to reshoot the film, but, of course, it would have been impossible.
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Post by Jon on Dec 11, 2021 2:02:44 GMT
I would say in regard to Rita Moreno's Valentina: having her sing Somewhere is a stroke of genius by Spielberg and Kushner, it changes the dynamic of the song and made me think that Valentina has seen this cycle of violence between the different groups throughout her life
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 2:22:26 GMT
Can’t wait to see this on Sunday. Any advice how to avoid watching the Elgort parts? Those allegations made me want them to reshoot the film, but, of course, it would have been impossible. Be an adult and recognise that innocent until proven guilty is the general rule of law? Everyone has the right to make complaints of course, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be believed, but at the end of day no charges have been brought and the allegation as far as I'm aware was withdrawn, so he is not a criminal. Doesn't mean he's not an ass of the highest order (clearly he was, he has admitted to being extremely immature in how he acted) but sadly so are many, many people and trying to avoid him entirely in a film where he is a co-lead does come across as a bit childish. And it disrespects the work of everyone else on the film. Watching him doesn't mean you are "supporting" him in any way. Plus if you're going into it trying to ignore him then you basically aren't going to see half of Rachel Zegler's work in this film, including some of the best parts of her performance. But your prerogative.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 3:04:56 GMT
How exciting to have such positive reviews, and I can't wait to see it. I have been cautious with Spielberg after the mess of Hook and War Horse, neither film doing the source material justice. But here..... You don't like HOOK? Blasphemy!!!! (Teasing of course, though I do love it.)
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Post by anthony on Dec 11, 2021 9:31:56 GMT
Can’t wait to see this on Sunday. Any advice how to avoid watching the Elgort parts? Those allegations made me want them to reshoot the film, but, of course, it would have been impossible. Keyword being allegations.
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Post by dan28 on Dec 11, 2021 13:46:58 GMT
Saw it yesterday and loved it.
Finally a movie musical with very good acting AND singing. The language of sung thoughts on screen works perfectly with the pre-recorded tracks, which heightens the emotions even more. It leaves much more room for real acting without harming the intense and soaring quality of the sung thoughts, which makes the scenes extremely intense. Best of both worlds.
It is very well directed, most scenes are basically a work of art. Well cast. Loved the technicolor colors, it actually looked like the time it was supposed to take place in. Love the music and the orchestra. Love the musical direction of the singing, very sincere.
It's not easy to make that opening song look tough, realistic and sincere, but somehow it worked. Spielberg is a master at his craft. Everything I knew and have heard of West Side Story in the past was lifted to a higher level in this film.
It also shows that it's a good thing to mix theatre talent with screen projects. It's a very special craft.
If I had to nitpick and mention some flaws, it would be that there are 2 songs/scenes that would have benefitted form being just a little shorter, which is the "officer Krupke" song and the sequence where Tony and Riff and the friends fight for the gun in the shed with the holes in the floor. Other than that, the pacing of the film was good.
This movie gives me hope for future musical movies. It's glorious.
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Post by inthenose on Dec 11, 2021 14:39:07 GMT
Can’t wait to see this on Sunday. Any advice how to avoid watching the Elgort parts? Those allegations made me want them to reshoot the film, but, of course, it would have been impossible. "Look at me, look at me, look at me!". Go and see the film, if you like, or if you feel strongly enough about the allegations (unproven, withdrawn and no criminal charges brought) then don't go. It really is that simple.
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Post by squidward on Dec 11, 2021 17:37:05 GMT
I agree with the raves on this thread so far, with one exception. The film felt extremely relevant to today apart from ‘I feel pretty’ which I think could have been cut for this version. It somehow felt too Disney Princess-ish for the grit in the rest of the movie and was the only part that felt dated to me.It was also the only part of the film that seemed set-bound.
I do think Ansel Elgort was mis-cast and thus the only lead that didn’t shine brightly as the others.
I hope the film reaches a wide audience, particularly in terms of a younger, non-theatre loving audience, but I doubt it will. With the message of the film being spot-on in the sadly polarised world we currently live in, it such a good lesson in the futility of prejudice.
I hope Ariana Debose and Rita Moreno aren’t nominated in the same categories come awards time, as they both deserve a win. I also hope Mike Faist gets the recognition he deserves for his role. I saw him in DEH on Broadway and thought he was compelling good in that ( as opposed to the woeful Noah Galvin and the show itself, but that’s off-topic).
Hats off to Steven Spielberg and Tony Kushner for the rare feat of re-inventing a classic in such a majestic fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 21:59:45 GMT
Watched it again today - couldn't help myself.
It's even better second time round.
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Post by Jon on Dec 12, 2021 0:27:19 GMT
I Feel Pretty acts as a decompressor for the audience because the previous scene of the Rumble but also there's an element of irony because Maria is singing about her love not knowing what has happened to both Tony and Bernardo.
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Post by nash16 on Dec 12, 2021 0:44:26 GMT
Can’t wait to see this on Sunday. Any advice how to avoid watching the Elgort parts? Those allegations made me want them to reshoot the film, but, of course, it would have been impossible. Be an adult and recognise that innocent until proven guilty is the general rule of law? Everyone has the right to make complaints of course, and I'm not saying they shouldn't be believed, but at the end of day no charges have been brought and the allegation as far as I'm aware was withdrawn, so he is not a criminal. Doesn't mean he's not an ass of the highest order (clearly he was, he has admitted to being extremely immature in how he acted) but sadly so are many, many people and trying to avoid him entirely in a film where he is a co-lead does come across as a bit childish. And it disrespects the work of everyone else on the film. Watching him doesn't mean you are "supporting" him in any way. Plus if you're going into it trying to ignore him then you basically aren't going to see half of Rachel Zegler's work in this film, including some of the best parts of her performance. But your prerogative. Thank you for this. Am going to try my hardest.
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Post by squidward on Dec 12, 2021 3:52:22 GMT
I Feel Pretty acts as a decompressor for the audience because the previous scene of the Rumble but also there's an element of irony because Maria is singing about her love not knowing what has happened to both Tony and Bernardo. I can see why artistically a decompressor is a good choice, but I think that could have been done in a scene, rather than using that song. I haven’t seen the original movie for ages so can’t remember where that song was placed in the story, but I’ve got a feeling it was earlier in the plot. To me, that was the one song in the new version that stuck out as feeling very dated, particularly with Maria feeling like a much stronger character than she was in the original movie.
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Post by newyorkcityboy on Dec 12, 2021 7:45:58 GMT
I would like us to get better versions of the classics whose movie versions aren't great (Carousel, South Pacific) or some that haven't been filmed at all (Mack & Mabel) but suspect that like West Side Story they will remake good movies such as Oliver! Alas, I just think CAROUSEL is too "problematic" for a major motion picture these days. But gosh, that score.... I’m sure the story could be re-worked to avoid the questionable bits and still leave his arc intact. He just needs to be a criminal/let his family down/want to help his daughter out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 9:29:29 GMT
I Feel Pretty acts as a decompressor for the audience because the previous scene of the Rumble but also there's an element of irony because Maria is singing about her love not knowing what has happened to both Tony and Bernardo. I can see why artistically a decompressor is a good choice, but I think that could have been done in a scene, rather than using that song. I haven’t seen the original movie for ages so can’t remember where that song was placed in the story, but I’ve got a feeling it was earlier in the plot. To me, that was the one song in the new version that stuck out as feeling very dated, particularly with Maria feeling like a much stronger character than she was in the original movie. It was earlier in the plot in the 1961 version but not in the stage show. Spielberg is following the stage show here, not reinventing the wheel. I thought it was hugely effective, especially having Chino then come to the store to tell Maria about Bernardo's death - her happiness only lasted until the end of her shift. It makes for a far more devastating contrast than if I Feel Pretty had been earlier in the film, as then it would just have been a bit of fluff.
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