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Post by Mr Crummles on Dec 12, 2021 10:04:16 GMT
I think I Feel Pretty works very well because it is about the giddy happiness of a young girl who is in love and has just experienced one the most overwhelming joys a person can experience. I can't think of many things in life that can bring people to that state of bliss. She is a clever girl and in that song she wittily, and bounteously, shares her joy with everyone around her. Her words are exuberant, light-hearted and cheerful. She feels pretty. I think most people who are in love, and feels loved in return, feel that way too. The song and lyrics aptly capture that spirit. I am really happy they kept it in the film, especially in view of what happens after. I think the play/movie would lose some of its soul without it.
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Post by mkb on Dec 12, 2021 11:09:16 GMT
I saw this from the centre of the front row -- happily it's not too close -- of the huge, curved, iSense screen of my local Odeon last night.
I've seen the 1961 version in 70mm multiple times and it's always been a special five-star movie for me. But Spielberg's manages to surpass it. I loved everything about it. The changes were inspired. This has been lovingly crafted.
Unlike some others, I found Ansel Elgort's performance to be as good as the rest of the cast and the chemistry between Tony and Maria electric. He does have strange lips though that were a bit distracting at first.
My only niggle with the movie was that it would have benefited from the majesty and grandeur of a roadshow format, i.e. overture, intermission and entr'acte. It does get nine minutes of play-out suite, extended from the five of the previous film. Several people stayed through them, and Odeon, very professionally, kept the auditorium lights off until the very end.
I need to see this again but on an old-school Imax screen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 17:23:19 GMT
Wow I almost don't know where to start. One of the best musicals ever written in the hands of a master of cinema and a superb cast. And the casting thing is key for me. Don't shoehorn stars in who aren't right just because they're a name, go find new talent and let them light up the screen.
After reading this thread I was worried about Ansel Elgort but was pleasantly surprised. As a previous poster said his scenes with Rita Moreno were wonderful, as was Cool. It's hard to single anything out because I was totally engrossed from start to finish.
And that music so beautifully orchestrated, sung and heard in the big screen setting. I'm not sure my neighbours would appreciate me recreating it when the DVD comes out. 5 stars from me and surely some Oscars to come.
Side note, this was my first cinema trip in almost 2 years. I had to make myself go, picking an early screening and banking on it being quiet (massive screen, about 10-12 in). 2 women neither wearing masks, one with a persistent cough that punctuated most of the film. Not here to judge, I was far enough away (I hope) masked up and triple jabbed, but it shows what the last 20 odd months have done to my anxiety that I almost left. I was a bit shocked at how much it bothered me, I never used to be that person but I know I'm not alone.
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Post by anthony40 on Dec 12, 2021 18:09:44 GMT
Just came back from the screening that I attended and Wow! I am sppechless; completely without speech!
Thank you Mr Spielberg
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Post by karloscar on Dec 12, 2021 18:55:02 GMT
I saw WSS this afternoon. I loved all the numbers that were staged differently from previous versions, though I wanted the hooker who locked herself up before Officer Krupke to have a pay off line after the Jets absconded. The bits that often make me drift off (One Hand ,One Heart, I Feel Pretty) were expertly interpreted. No weak links as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 12, 2021 19:09:05 GMT
Wow I almost don't know where to start. One of the best musicals ever written in the hands of a master of cinema and a superb cast. And the casting thing is key for me. Don't shoehorn stars in who aren't right just because they're a name, go find new talent and let them light up the screen. After reading this thread I was worried about Ansel Elgort but was pleasantly surprised. As a previous poster said his scenes with Rita Moreno were wonderful, as was Cool. It's hard to single anything out because I was totally engrossed from start to finish. And that music so beautifully orchestrated, sung and heard in the big screen setting. I'm not sure my neighbours would appreciate me recreating it when the DVD comes out. 5 stars from me and surely some Oscars to come. Side note, this was my first cinema trip in almost 2 years. I had to make myself go, picking an early screening and banking on it being quiet (massive screen, about 10-12 in). 2 women neither wearing masks, one with a persistent cough that punctuated most of the film. Not here to judge, I was far enough away (I hope) masked up and triple jabbed, but it shows what the last 20 odd months have done to my anxiety that I almost left. I was a bit shocked at how much it bothered me, I never used to be that person but I know I'm not alone. I agree completely. Sadly the fact that even with the new variant- people are just not wearing masks in cinemas is putting me off going to see this. Just makes me too angry/anxious.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Dec 12, 2021 19:19:42 GMT
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Post by Phantom of London on Dec 12, 2021 19:31:37 GMT
Apart from the touring production that played twice at Sadler’s Wells there have never been a production in seems years?
Surprised the stage show hasn’t been revived here, it would be a great show for the London Coliseum in 2023, even if it’s finally bringing over the 2009 Broadway production, like they did for Anything Goes.
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Post by n1david on Dec 12, 2021 19:55:55 GMT
Great production at Leicester Curve late 2019, was tipped to transfer and/or tour but something happened to stop that...
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Post by mkb on Dec 12, 2021 20:45:39 GMT
...and revived this year I think?
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Post by WireHangers on Dec 12, 2021 21:24:12 GMT
Having nothing more to add other than to repeat what’s already been said.
THIS is how you do a movie musical. Not a single part of the film needs changed. No character needs recast. Perfection in every single way.
Rita Moreno absolutely broke my heart. I feel like she was represented, the audience, in the movie, as in love with these two characters as we are and just as equally devastated when their promising future is snatched away from them.
Of course it’ll be nominated for many, many awards which will be nice but I hope this film gets the audience recognition it deserves and, hopefully with better adaptions, that movie musicals are respected more.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 12, 2021 23:47:47 GMT
Sad to read that the box office for this in the US has been hugely disappointing this weekend. I hope it picks up!
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Post by David J on Dec 13, 2021 0:17:00 GMT
The film made $10.5 million dollars as of 10th December and has a budget of $100 million and $150 million in marketing to make up. And it didn't even have big stars or cgi.
Apparently, today the budget for the original would be $52 million
And whilst the virus is partly a reason, its not stopping people flocking to see Ghostbusters Afterlife and Venom 2 over this or Encanto.
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Post by marob on Dec 13, 2021 0:31:53 GMT
I doubt it helps ticket sales that it’ll probably be on Disney Plus by the end of next month.
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Post by Jon on Dec 13, 2021 0:53:42 GMT
The film made $10.5 million dollars as of 10th December and has a budget of $100 million and $150 million in marketing to make up. And it didn't even have big stars or cgi. Apparently, today the budget for the original would be $52 million And whilst the virus is partly a reason, its not stopping people flocking to see Ghostbusters Afterlife and Venom 2 over this or Encanto. I suspect many are planning to see Spider-Man and The Matrix in the coming weeks.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Dec 13, 2021 7:16:31 GMT
The problem is the main demographic for this is (generally) older cinema goers and they aren’t returning yet to the cinemas due to feeling safe.
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Post by viserys on Dec 13, 2021 8:14:26 GMT
The problem is the main demographic for this is (generally) older cinema goers and they aren’t returning yet to the cinemas due to feeling safe. Very true. I saw it yesterday and most people in the cinema were (at a guess) +50 and beyond with very few young people in sight. While I personally agree that WSS can do without star casting, the utter lack of star names might also have been a deterrent. And I'm sure that there are countless people wondering what the point of this new version is, when the original is such a beloved classic. As a musical lover I've seen all the movie adaptations of recent years (of course) but very few really set the box office alight anyway. Maybe Hollywood needs to realize that there just won't be any return to the days of the "Golden Age" when musical movies were blockbusters with songs everyone knew. Today they're more of a niche product and they work best, IMHO, when they lean into this, such as with the wonderful "Tick, Tick, Boom" on Netflix. While the new WSS isn't longer than a stage production, it did feel very long to sit through (mercifully Dutch cinemas do an intermission that allows for a quick loo break/getting up for a bit). And while I, as a fan of the show, picked up a lot of small but smart changes in Tony Kushner's script, I don't think the average person is really aware of that. Nor do I think there are countless people out there thinking "Oh, they finally cast the Sharks with bonafide Latin performers, I really must see this!" In fact there seems to be a strange rumour going around that "half the movie" is in Spanish without subtitles, putting people off going. And at the end of the day, it still IS a strange beast, mixing scruffy youth gangs with almost balletic dancing and sappy crooning of the "Tonight" type. The Outsiders, which I recently rewatched when it was briefly re-released at the cinema, has a very similar subject of youth gang warfare in the 50s and very much the same looks, but stood the test of time better, I think, because there was no singing and dancing, just a soundtrack with rock'n'roll of the period the boys would actually have been listening to.
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Post by stuartmcd on Dec 13, 2021 8:36:57 GMT
Reality is that not a lot of films are doing well at the box office at the moment. Even big blockbusters aren’t making the kind of money they used to.
Most people will only go to the cinema now for must see movies and will happily wait for everything else to go to streaming and that wait is made even easier with the window between cinema and streaming service being shortened.
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Post by happytobehere on Dec 13, 2021 9:59:22 GMT
This was very enjoyable. I was hesitant about a reimagined WSS but this was done pretty perfectly.
The only disagreement I have with some other posters here is that I felt like Ansel Elgort was horrible casting. He dims every scene he’s in imo. Both vocally and comparative innate charisma, Rachel Zegler completely blew him away in every scene they shared. They needed to find someone who could match her better in order for me to truly buy into the fact that Maria would do so much to be with Tony. That’s my 2 cents at least.
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Post by jgblunners on Dec 13, 2021 10:17:48 GMT
Saw it last night and I can only add to the unanimous praise. It’s completely sublime. Zegler, DeBose, and Moreno are the true stars of the show but the entire cast is very very good. I even quite liked Elgort - his voice was better than I expected and I thought he did a decent job as Tony. Where he really fell down for me was that he struggled to act through song. In any other recent musical movie I think he would have gotten away with it but next to the other leads in this you could really tell the difference.
I really hope the critical success of this film gives producers the confidence to give future musical movies to directors with strong visions and performers who actually have musical experience!
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Post by craig on Dec 13, 2021 10:34:56 GMT
I haven't seen this yet, though very excited to given the rave reviews!
I'm trying not to worry too much about the box office numbers yet. It's getting such unanimous praise that it will hopefully grow with word of mouth, like The Greatest Showman.
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Post by mkb on Dec 13, 2021 11:17:55 GMT
Anybody wanting to see this on a decent screen has until tomorrow. From Wednesday, the new Spiderman/Marvel film is taking over in 80% of the slots and all the big auditoria.
So no chance to build word-of-mouth.
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Dec 13, 2021 11:24:00 GMT
This was very enjoyable. I was hesitant about a reimagined WSS but this was done pretty perfectly. The only disagreement I have with some other posters here is that I felt like Ansel Elgort was horrible casting. He dims every scene he’s in imo. Both vocally and comparative innate charisma, Rachel Zegler completely blew him away in every scene they shared. They needed to find someone who could match her better in order for me to truly buy into the fact that Maria would do so much to be with Tony. That’s my 2 cents at least. I agree to an extent - he's certainly the weakest lead from a casting perspective. I warmed to him by the end, but I felt he lacked energy and charisma in the early scenes. I also felt he stood out as very clean cut compared to the rest of the Jets. I'm sure that was a conscious choice as Tony is trying to disengage from his past, but I just didn't believe the character as styled and interpreted would ever have been part of the same gang as the others - let alone be one of their leaders. Apart from that, I absolutely loved this version. As others have said, the direction and overall production is spot on. It's nostalgic without feeling like an homage, and the subtle changes to the source material (which is brilliant, I know) lift it further into something which feels relevant and exciting. Heartbreaking. We stayed and sat through the credits just to give it all time to sink in, and Ariana DeBose is incredible. A flawless performance which had me gripped every time she was on screen.
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Post by fiyero on Dec 13, 2021 11:25:04 GMT
Anybody wanting to see this on a decent screen has until tomorrow. From Wednesday, the new Spiderman/Marvel film is taking over in 80% of the slots and all the big auditoria. So no chance to build word-of-mouth. Thanks for the warning! tomorrow evening I can see West Side Story on the 2 biggest screens at my local cinema, the next day there are 29 showings of Spiderman and only 1 evening showing of West Side Story on a tiny screen!
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Post by mkb on Dec 13, 2021 11:40:16 GMT
I find it very hard to believe that the way the cinema exhibition industry works these days, with saturation coverage of each big release, optimises the number of bums on seats overall.
I understand why they want to go big, to capitalise on the initial hype, but they go way over the top, and simply alienate those regular filmgoers who have no interest in the Marvel universe and a paucity of alternative offerings.
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