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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 4, 2020 17:18:21 GMT
BOM is out to offend everyone. Every person on that stage is a stereotype. Its not singleing any out. Everything that is referenced is based in fact. The line about God changing his mind avout black people was because Mormons wouldnt allow black clergy. Why is that problematic? Xandy - can i ask why your friend deeply regretted being in the show? And I think this is the main reason people are getting upset about some shows being taken off TV, Little Britain & Come Fly With Me especially. (I haven't seen Little Britain, so won't comment on it). The blackface from Matt Lucas in CFWM is of course questionable, but, again, the show pokes fun at everybody and doesn't single people out. I was reading an article the other day that made a good point in saying that had they have not featured a character of colour, people would have accused the show of being racist. An interesting point of discussion. |
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Post by crabtree on Jul 4, 2020 17:42:09 GMT
Ragtime, as I remember, handles the racial issues well.A terrible storyline but it's clear which characters the audience are rooting for.
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Post by sf on Jul 4, 2020 17:43:33 GMT
The blackface from Matt Lucas in CFWM is of course questionable, but, again, the show pokes fun at everybody and doesn't single people out. ...which doesn't justify the blackface, which is - with good reason - absolutely out of order. And in that case, it's not something where perceptions have changed all that much over the last decade. The blackface was witless and offensive ten years ago when the show first aired. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 4, 2020 17:56:56 GMT
BOM is out to offend everyone. Every person on that stage is a stereotype. Its not singleing any out. Everything that is referenced is based in fact. The line about God changing his mind avout black people was because Mormons wouldnt allow black clergy. Why is that problematic? Xandy - can i ask why your friend deeply regretted being in the show? I was reading an article the other day that made a good point in saying that had they have not featured a character of colour, people would have accused the show of being racist. An interesting point of discussion. If they wanted a person of colour in their show then they should have cast a person of colour. |
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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 4, 2020 18:14:12 GMT
I was reading an article the other day that made a good point in saying that had they have not featured a character of colour, people would have accused the show of being racist. An interesting point of discussion. If they wanted a person of colour in their show then they should have cast a person of colour. |
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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 4, 2020 18:15:52 GMT
The blackface from Matt Lucas in CFWM is of course questionable, but, again, the show pokes fun at everybody and doesn't single people out. ...which doesn't justify the blackface, which is - with good reason - absolutely out of order. And in that case, it's not something where perceptions have changed all that much over the last decade. The blackface was witless and offensive ten years ago when the show first aired. Sure. Was just saying trying to link it to Mormon. As it was said before, everybody gets their fair share of offensive treatment in the show. Likewise happens in the program. That's what was said in the article. |
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Post by pianowithsam on Jul 4, 2020 18:21:40 GMT
Obviously of a very different idea, but I'm quite surprised that there hasn't been a lot of discussion in regards to Springtime For Hitler from The Producers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 20:58:47 GMT
What about TV impersonators would a white impressionist be able to do a vocal impression of Barack Obama or a black person doing Donald Trump for example is that now offensive? As I said, it depends on the intent behind the joke. Yes, absolutely a white impressionist can do Barack Obama - but not in blackface, and not if the point of the joke is simply to make a racial slur. You might think that's a point that shouldn't need making, but the depictions of Obama in political cartoons in the US's conservative media have often been thoroughly vile. Thanks for the reply SF. Clearly anyone doing blackface in 2020 would be totally unacceptable. With the more recent occurrences being called out I haven't heard Robert Downey Jnr in Tropical Thunder mentioned when he was incredibly Academy Award nominated for appearing in blackface although the premise was funny that he'd had some injections to darken his skin and as a method actor stayed like that for so long. The joke could have worked well having Downey play the character as a white guy and then a black actor play the role before reverting to Downey as the darkening faded. |
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Post by sf on Jul 4, 2020 21:21:23 GMT
Obviously of a very different idea, but I'm quite surprised that there hasn't been a lot of discussion in regards to Springtime For Hitler from The Producers. That's a little different, in that the issue is with symbols rather than with a race. The argument - and I think it still holds up - is that the show doesn't glorify symbols of fascism, it takes the power away from them by mocking them to the point where they look absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 23:53:56 GMT
On a funnier note why don't we get some of today's more sensitive souls to watch an episode or two of Love Thy Neighbour we'd have Snowflakes watching Snowflake.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 7, 2020 14:35:46 GMT
Halle Berry has apologised and will no longer be playing a trans character:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 13:01:03 GMT
Halle Berry has apologised and will no longer be playing a trans character: Does this mean that other parts will be bolted down or would it only apply to certain roles like trans or disabled ones for example? On a positive note Neighbours have a trans character who is played by a real life actress who has transitioned called Georgie Stone and they are featuring her considering when to have her final opp. Apparently Georgie pitched the idea to the show's producers for a trans character and landed the role herself. But would such a well loved character such as Hayley superbly portrayed by the excellent Julie Hesmondhaigh in Corrie now be thought that it should be played by a trans actress? |
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Post by cjamess on Jul 8, 2020 13:08:29 GMT
I must admit on the argument, I think if a character is disabled/trans you should have a disabled/trans actor for the whole (as they hardly get seen and utilised anyways). Similarly you shouldn't have a Jonathan Pryce Miss Saigon moment either (although the 90's were a different time).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 13:14:53 GMT
BOM is out to offend everyone. Every person on that stage is a stereotype. Its not singleing any out. Everything that is referenced is based in fact. The line about God changing his mind avout black people was because Mormons wouldnt allow black clergy. Why is that problematic? Xandy - can i ask why your friend deeply regretted being in the show? And I think this is the main reason people are getting upset about some shows being taken off TV, Little Britain & Come Fly With Me especially. (I haven't seen Little Britain, so won't comment on it). The blackface from Matt Lucas in CFWM is of course questionable, but, again, the show pokes fun at everybody and doesn't single people out. I was reading an article the other day that made a good point in saying that had they have not featured a character of colour, people would have accused the show of being racist. An interesting point of discussion. When CFWM was on I can remember thinking that Matt playing an Asian guy who was trying to be ghetto was very dodgy but I had Asian work colleagues who thought that was the best character as it reminded them of a younger colleague who tried to act a bit ghetto and he was christened Taaj by them. The Jamaican character Precious was much more of a racial caricature and was at best on very dodgy ground. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 8, 2020 13:17:45 GMT
I must admit on the argument, I think if a character is disabled/trans you should have a disabled/trans actor for the whole (as they hardly get seen and utilised anyways). Similarly you shouldn't have a Jonathan Pryce Miss Saigon moment either (although the 90's were a different time). One issue through is it can limit the talent pool available for a role meaning high quality productions featuring trans or disabled characters remain rare due limited amount of suitable actors available.
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