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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 29, 2020 14:08:45 GMT
They would rely on human track and trace, they would ignore the excellent NHS version at local level that finds nearly all contacts and spend ridiculous amounts of money reinventing the wheel to create a private version (which they then name NHS track and trace in the hope that people wonāt notice). They would employ a serial business failure to run this system, pay their employees to sit at home doing virtually nothing and claim that the whole thing is āworld beatingā. In fact, itās what they did anyway when the first app went down in flames because they gifted āridiculous amounts of moneyā to their cronies to develop it. A good government would have invested early in the Apple/Google version and bolstered existing public infrastructure. They did the opposite but, then again, they are probably the worst government of my lifetime (from the first Wilson administration onwards). The Apple/Google version doesn't allow the NHS to access the data to identify local hotspots, which given the vanishingly small percentage of people (10-20%) who bother to self-isolate when notified means the usefulness of the current app is close to zero. Which is why several other countries such as France tried to go the centralised route which is theory is better and approaches at least the South Korean gold standard where there is no app but the government permanently tracks using a centralised database every single mobile phone in the country, along with other location data such as where you have used a credit card for payment and so on. Why can't we learn from South Korea you all wail ? That's why. App take-up in Germany is one of the highest in the world - just over 20% ! Not much to learn there either. Is that true?? |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Sept 30, 2020 16:25:03 GMT
Yesterday I had my flu jab.
And, today, I've just said goodbye to friendly young man on my doorstep (no not like that!) as I've signed up for a study run by Office of National Statistics. Lots of tests over the course of year. I had agreed to do it free but then a colleague pointed out that you can get 450 squid in vouchers. Yayyyy.
I am Covid ready!
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 30, 2020 16:28:15 GMT
Yesterday I had my flu jab. And, today, I've just said goodbye to friendly young man on my doorstep (no not like that!) as I've signed up for a study run by Office of National Statistics. Lots of tests over the course of year. I had agreed to do it free but then a colleague pointed out that you can get 450 squid in vouchers. Yayyyy. I am Covid ready!  |
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Post by frappuccino on Oct 2, 2020 9:23:29 GMT
Trump tweeted that he has covid.
The responses to Trump's covid diagnosis are so weird and annoying. Are they bots?
Someone did a screen recording of the weird responses. View the vid on twitter.:
But yet another person posted this funny tweet
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 2, 2020 10:57:18 GMT
Trump and any mention thereof brings out the worst in pretty much everybody. Between spammers, unhinged people posting about their particular obsession, Trump haters and Trump die-hards... it's all just "sound and fury, signifying nothing". Chaos is his superpower.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 12:08:51 GMT
I'm somewhat worried for the safety of Hope Hicks, given that some of Trump's fans appear to be seriously unhinged and will probably set out to take revenge on her for putting him at risk even though there's every possibility that they could all have caught the disease from the same third party.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 2, 2020 16:55:24 GMT
My thoughts go out to the virus at this difficult time.
- This was the funniest trump tweet joke of the day that I read
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 3, 2020 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by djp on Oct 3, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
I'm somewhat worried for the safety of Hope Hicks, given that some of Trump's fans appear to be seriously unhinged and will probably set out to take revenge on her for putting him at risk even though there's every possibility that they could all have caught the disease from the same third party. Indeed it will be open season for conspiracy nuts.
But its now looking from the timeline that the spreader event was the outdoor party to celebrate the nomination of the new SC judge - lots of hugging and no masks or distancing . There's a long list of politicians at that who have it, and so do some support staff. Then there's the people who prepped Trump for the debate going down with it, . And then seemingly after being diagnosed, Trump went off to a fund raiser ...
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Post by djp on Oct 3, 2020 20:12:32 GMT
People seem to have missed the point about iOS and the app. The point I was making is that if the device doesn't support the required functionality then there's nothing the developers of the app can do about it. If you need to upgrade the operating system then you need to upgrade it. The app can't do something if the phone won't let it. And what are they supposed to rely on if not an app? It's not as if they can expect everyone to manually exchange details with everyone they're close to for more than 15 minutes. It needs to happen automatically, so what better than a pocket-sized computer that many people carry with them all the time? It's true that not everybody has them but what else is there? What would they have done before smartphones existed? Would they have perhaps thought about an approach that didnāt rely on smartphones? Couldnāt they also do that now? Or are they just going to totally ignore the proportion of the population who canāt use the app, and hope we donāt spread the virus? Does anyone know? Has anyone actually explained what the strategy is for non-app users? Do we not matter? Could this be communicated to us in some way? Perhaps those signs and text messages telling everyone to download the app could explain what to do if you canāt? You can't find out who was sitting next to you on the tube or train , or who stood next to you in the Sondheim bar, without an app that works, or who contaminated the down escalator rail at St Pancras with one. .
But most transmission is within families and you can get details of who went to the fatal birthday party. you can also find the infected workers in the hotspot - because they work at the food factory, care home , or hospital . And your task isn't to identify every infected person - its to identify enough of them and isolate them to reduce the R number . its a bit hit and miss as most people may not infect anyone else, and the superspreaders may infect tens , but you should be able to reduce the number of new infections back down towards one and then below. And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residenc, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread , so you keep them shut , or in the universities case should have.
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 4, 2020 19:35:40 GMT
And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residence, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread, so you keep them shut Are there confirmed instances of a newly-reopened theater being the source of infection? |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2020 11:40:44 GMT
Well the Mango Mussolini is now in a motorcade. Just wrong. |
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 5, 2020 12:38:58 GMT
Well the Mango Mussolini is now in a motorcade. Just wrong. Wrong, but very consistent with his need to have his ego fed, totally disregarding anybody else. Heck, he probably feels the Secret Service are 'losers' and 'suckers' for taking a job that could require them to sacrifice their own lives for his. (Or he accepts this as his due and doesn't even think about it.) I read recently this is the first time in his life he's faced consequences that he's unable to charm, bully, bluster or buy his way out of. |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 5, 2020 13:49:17 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 6, 2020 10:28:45 GMT
As per yesterday's announcement, Rishi Sunak has worked out that musicians and those in the arts simply need to retrain and find other jobs:
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Post by jojo on Oct 6, 2020 15:05:01 GMT
And it's all very well saying that most people are infected by someone else in their family/household. That makes sense, because if you are sharing a home with someone infected, you will be exposed in a way that makes it reasonably likely you will become infected. But that first member of the family who is infecting everyone else in their household has to catch it from someone else, and theatres, pubs and public transport are possibilities means of linking families, so to speak. |
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Post by jojo on Oct 6, 2020 15:51:58 GMT
What would they have done before smartphones existed? Would they have perhaps thought about an approach that didnāt rely on smartphones? Couldnāt they also do that now? Or are they just going to totally ignore the proportion of the population who canāt use the app, and hope we donāt spread the virus? Does anyone know? Has anyone actually explained what the strategy is for non-app users? Do we not matter? Could this be communicated to us in some way? Perhaps those signs and text messages telling everyone to download the app could explain what to do if you canāt?
But most transmission is within families and you can get details of who went to the fatal birthday party. you can also find the infected workers in the hotspot - because they work at the food factory, care home , or hospital . And your task isn't to identify every infected person - its to identify enough of them and isolate them to reduce the R number . its a bit hit and miss as most people may not infect anyone else, and the superspreaders may infect tens , but you should be able to reduce the number of new infections back down towards one and then below. And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residenc, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread , so you keep them shut , or in the universities case should have.
Sorry, mucked up my quoting - meant to be responding to this bit about family transmission.  |
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2020 15:42:11 GMT
First Cummings, now Ferrier. The rules really don't apply to them do they? What a complete and utter kick in the teeth:
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Post by lynette on Oct 15, 2020 16:08:48 GMT
Appalling. She may well have all sorts of excuses but a basic fine would have satisfied most and allowed her to carry on as MP without future ramifications.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 16:27:23 GMT
As if the new tiered system wasn't pointless enough, how can they expect anyone willingly to follow the rules if such blatant and repeated breaches are not prosecuted?
People generally do have a limit on their tolerance of anything, particularly when they see others getting away with rule breaking without any consequences.
I'm sure most people will still take sensible precautions, but I'm not currently feeling too inclined to stop seeing friends in sanitised restaurant settings as Tier 2 restrictions are supposed to prohibit...
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Post by alece10 on Oct 16, 2020 11:45:24 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert?
My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line
Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it.
Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts.
Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing.
Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 11:50:24 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. I haven't had any alert, but read elsewhere that you will be contacted separately if you have to be tested or isolate as a result of a close contact with someone who has tested positive - the initial alert doesn't factor in how close or how long you were in contact with them. All seems a bit confused to me, but the government seems to be determined to focus on measures that don't address the real problems rather than fixing the track and trace system... |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 16, 2020 15:39:23 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. Sometimes I see a notification that seems to be saying something about being in contact, but when I click it it disappears, the app opens and thereās nothing there. Itās a fault because Iām staying away from absolutely everyone at the moment. |
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Post by alece10 on Oct 16, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. Sometimes I see a notification that seems to be saying something about being in contact, but when I click it it disappears, the app opens and thereās nothing there. Itās a fault because Iām staying away from absolutely everyone at the moment.Ā Yes thats exactly what happened to me. I'll not panic then. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:18:26 GMT
I would have been good to have a test feature that you could tap and it would send you a sample alert so you could check that you were receiving the alerts properly and know what to look out for, although I'm sure that there'd be some people who'd mistake it for genuine even though it had SAMPLE all over it and they'd just that second selected an option called "Send Sample Alert".
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