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Post by lichtie on Sept 25, 2020 12:56:07 GMT
It sort of got lost in all the other announcements yesterday. Seems a bit of a battery drainer (at least it's the only new app I've added recently and my phone has had to be recharged partially 3 times since I installed it yesterday). And not because I had to turn bluetooth on (it already was).
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Post by jess173 on Sept 25, 2020 13:57:26 GMT
Itās funny to read all this stuff about the App. Itās like the situation in Germany all over again, three months later...
They told us 60% of people needed to install the app, only 20% did. Turns out it was only working with the latest iOS and Android software, shutting many people out. It was glitchy and didnāt synchronise the data as it was supposed to. Now, three month after its launch data shows that not even 5% off all Corona cases during that period were registered in the app...
So I donāt know if your software developers did a much better job then ours (I bet ours were more expensive in any way...) but I wouldnāt put too much hope into an app like this...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 14:33:14 GMT
I hope people will adopt it. In the absence of a medical breakthrough contact-tracing is by far the most effective way of fighting this: if widely adopted it would be nearly as effective as a total lockdown with only a tiny fraction of the economic and social cost, and it costs people basically nothing at all to take part. But I expect stupidity will win out: too many people would rather stamp their feet and demand that someone else wave a magic wand and make the problem go away than lift a finger to help achieve that objective.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Sept 25, 2020 15:40:32 GMT
I hope people will adopt it. In the absence of a medical breakthrough contact-tracing is by far the most effective way of fighting this: if widely adopted it would be nearly as effective as a total lockdown with only a tiny fraction of the economic and social cost, and it costs people basically nothing at all to take part. But I expect stupidity will win out: too many people would rather stamp their feet and demand that someone else wave a magic wand and make the problem go away than lift a finger to help achieve that objective. This. Another pleading for us all to use. Anyone against downloading and using app? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 25, 2020 15:53:33 GMT
Itās funny to read all this stuff about the App. Itās like the situation in Germany all over again, three months later... They told us 60% of people needed to install the app, only 20% did. Turns out it was only working with the latest iOS and Android software, shutting many people out. It was glitchy and didnāt synchronise the data as it was supposed to. Now, three month after its launch data shows that not even 5% off all Corona cases during that period were registered in the app... So I donāt know if your software developers did a much better job then ours (I bet ours were more expensive in any way...) but I wouldnāt put too much hope into an app like this... It is nice to know that these problems exist in other countries because thereās a tendency to believe that itās only the U.K. government who mess up. My friend travelled from his home in Paris to DĆ¼sseldorf by train last week. He had to fill forms in on the train saying who he was, where he lived and where he was going etc. The form was collected and added to a pile without being read, he could have written anything on it. Then upon arrival he was required (because he had bothered to read up on the instructions) to go to a covid testing station within the station for a test. But when he got off the train there were no controls around this, people just dispersed. He dutifully went to get tested but completely flummoxed the people there when he told them he wasnāt a German resident. No arrangements seemed to be in place for non resident arrivals. After many phone calls and an hours wait he was tested but had to pay ā¬75 for the pleasure. Wilkommen to Germany! |
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Post by jess173 on Sept 25, 2020 16:54:00 GMT
It is nice to know that these problems exist in other countries because thereās a tendency to believe that itās only the U.K. government who mess up. Oh you can be sure of that. There have been so many reports of outbreaks that couldnāt be traced because people gave out false names. No one really checks. And there were reports that the police used those lists for crime investigations so I guess a lot more people said āf** youā to that afterwards. I arrived back in Berlin last week on Monday night via plane. The testing station had closed by then so I called my GP in the morning. Was told free testing had ended the night before and a test would be 180ā¬. So your friend actually got a bargain there... Welcome to Germany indeed... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 17:38:20 GMT
I hope people will adopt it. In the absence of a medical breakthrough contact-tracing is by far the most effective way of fighting this: if widely adopted it would be nearly as effective as a total lockdown with only a tiny fraction of the economic and social cost, and it costs people basically nothing at all to take part. But I expect stupidity will win out: too many people would rather stamp their feet and demand that someone else wave a magic wand and make the problem go away than lift a finger to help achieve that objective. This. Another pleading for us all to use. Anyone against downloading and using app? I would do but my phone is too old, apparently, and it's not available for tablets, so the ipad is out. Why not tablets? Why is that different to a phone? |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Sept 25, 2020 18:16:58 GMT
This. Another pleading for us all to use. Anyone against downloading and using app? I would do but my phone is too old, apparently, and it's not available for tablets, so the ipad is out. Why not tablets? Why is that different to a phone? Because generally speaking youāre not walking about in the big wide world with an iPad. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 25, 2020 18:53:59 GMT
This. Another pleading for us all to use. Anyone against downloading and using app? I'm not against it in principal but I don't think my downloading it will be any help to anyone. From mid-March until now, excepting one trip to London on 31st August, I've only been out of my house when outdoors for exercise, & that is the only reason I plan to leave my house for the forseeable future. I never take my phone with me when I'm out walking. So if I download the app (I'd have to bleach my phone first as it's been sitting untouched in my handbag since I got back from London) then it'll record absolutely nothing as my phone will just be sitting on a table in my bedroom. |
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Post by djp on Sept 25, 2020 19:23:46 GMT
The contact-tracing app has rolled out: the latest in a long line of government projects that can be summed up as "we're going to go our own way and create a world-beating British solution; we've spent a fortune and achieved nothing; let's go back to doing what everyone else is doing because then it might work".* *I'm looking at you, Brexit.Genuine question - so I download the app. Doesn't it rely on everybody else having done the same? Isn't it a case of everybody has to download it or why bother? Like all of this the aim is to drive the rate of infection lower. So there's your and my perspective which is we want to know if we and our family may have it , and the national one which is that if you can isolate a reasonable percentage of contacts you reduce the number of infections and R number . The bigger problem is the estimate yesterday that only 18% of people are following the rules and isolating themselves completely. There's no use identifying people to isolate if, like the guy in Bolton, you go on a pub crawl and infect 80, or, like the two tourists in Iceland who didn't isolate on arrival, went out and infected 100. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 20:20:22 GMT
(I'd have to bleach my phone first as it's been sitting untouched in my handbag since I got back from London) The virus doesn't last long outside a host, so after about three days it'll be fine unless you're keeping a small infected child in your handbag. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 20:34:30 GMT
I would do but my phone is too old, apparently, and it's not available for tablets, so the ipad is out. Why not tablets? Why is that different to a phone? Because generally speaking youāre not walking about in the big wide world with an iPad. I take it everywhere, would be lost without it! I just wondered if there was a technical barrier. |
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Post by Dawnstar on Sept 25, 2020 20:46:13 GMT
(I'd have to bleach my phone first as it's been sitting untouched in my handbag since I got back from London) The virus doesn't last long outside a host, so after about three days it'll be fine unless you're keeping a small infected child in your handbag. Logically I know that but after 20 years with OCD my brain doesn't do normal logic when it comes to germs. |
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Post by olliebean on Sept 25, 2020 21:29:47 GMT
It sort of got lost in all the other announcements yesterday. Seems a bit of a battery drainer (at least it's the only new app I've added recently and my phone has had to be recharged partially 3 times since I installed it yesterday). And not because I had to turn bluetooth on (it already was). I expect it varies from phone to phone, but for what it's worth I've had it on my 4 year old Motorola since shortly after midnight yesterday, and battery usage has been negligible. Mind you, I haven't been anywhere - maybe it uses more power the more nearby devices it detects throughout the day. |
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Post by talkingheads on Sept 26, 2020 7:45:39 GMT
As a further update the NHS app is currently not able to accept NHS tests:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 8:12:30 GMT
It'll take a while to sort out some of the functionality. It's not easy to link up different systems: it was difficult enough years ago when nobody worried about privacy and security and hackers, and these days it's even harder because you not only have to make sure you can access the data but also that nobody else can.
On their FAQ pages it says "You can report symptoms up to 10 days in the past". I know what they mean, but it makes it sound like I can hop back to Wednesday last week to make a report. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on Sept 26, 2020 8:23:42 GMT
The reason given is that it would open the floodgates for pranksters, SERCO Test and Trace at the moment and then open up to other testing services once the security hurdles have been overcome but cannot see how a once only code could not be easily protected, it is just the equivalent to a one time password.
As an aside does the entering of a code remove the anonymity? have not requested a test but assume you have to give your name and contact details when applying.
I have an aversion to giving my data to a Cummings and his cronies and why I am reticent on using the app, difficult to be truly anonymous on the Web but is the primary reason I use the Apple ecosystem and have never signed up for any Google services.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 9:51:27 GMT
There's a whole bunch of privacy information here. There's quite a bit of it. |
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Post by Deal J on Sept 26, 2020 10:17:30 GMT
Well I thought Iād be a good boy and download the iPhone app this morning before I went to get my āflu jab, the first time Iāve been around a lot of people. Evidently the app needs a software version that isnāt available on my phone, so no app for me. Ah well... at least the doctors surgery had organised themselves wonderfully, I was in and out like a shot (pardon the pun).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 11:09:27 GMT
The venue check-in seems to work well enough. Just select it, point the camera at the QR code, and it displays the venue name to confirm that it worked.
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Post by kathryn on Sept 26, 2020 14:46:58 GMT
. And now they've scrapped the ridiculously privacy-hostile central database idea there's not really any downside to the app apart from having to recharge a little more often if you usually leave Bluetooth off.] Apart from the fact that it doesnāt work with my iPhone. (Yes, Iām one of those odd people that expect a phone that costs me Ā£500 to last for 5+ years, so I still have an iPhone 6.) |
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Post by Phantom of London on Sept 26, 2020 21:16:40 GMT
Wondering if it is worth suggesting to those conspiracy theorists in Trafalgar Square, how fast you can download this app by using 5G.
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Post by theatreian on Sept 26, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
I am astounded there are so many who believe the rubbish that the virus does not exist etc.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 4:28:32 GMT
Conspiracy theorists weird me out. It's like they think it's impossible for anything to happen that doesn't meet with their approval, and what makes it worse is that there's never any sense to the conspiracy. The usual claim is that "they" want to force everyone to do something that's unpopular so they fake a situation to make everyone want it, but (a) "they" are usually a group like the government that is the one group that doesn't actually need everyone's individual approval to do anything, and (b) the subject of the conspiracy is always something unpopular so the imagined conspiracy isn't even working. Somehow this makes sense to them.
I find the 5G conspiracists particularly depressing because it shows how poor education is. Blaming the coronavirus on 5G because both happened within a year of each other is like trying a new restaurant one evening and then blaming them when your washing machine catches fire the next day because the washing machine was fine until you went there.
If only stupidity had a high mortality rate.
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Post by nick on Sept 27, 2020 5:51:25 GMT
Conspiracy theorists weird me out. It's like they think it's impossible for anything to happen that doesn't meet with their approval, and what makes it worse is that there's never any sense to the conspiracy. What gets me is that they think that, say, the government is efficient enough to cover up a conspiracy. Can anyone seriously believe that it would be possible to keep āfakeā moon landings secret for so long? So many people would have to be involved it would have come out by now. |
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