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Post by The Matthew on Oct 2, 2020 12:08:51 GMT
I'm somewhat worried for the safety of Hope Hicks, given that some of Trump's fans appear to be seriously unhinged and will probably set out to take revenge on her for putting him at risk even though there's every possibility that they could all have caught the disease from the same third party.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 2, 2020 16:55:24 GMT
My thoughts go out to the virus at this difficult time.
- This was the funniest trump tweet joke of the day that I read
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Post by londonpostie on Oct 3, 2020 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by djp on Oct 3, 2020 19:54:22 GMT
I'm somewhat worried for the safety of Hope Hicks, given that some of Trump's fans appear to be seriously unhinged and will probably set out to take revenge on her for putting him at risk even though there's every possibility that they could all have caught the disease from the same third party. Indeed it will be open season for conspiracy nuts.
But its now looking from the timeline that the spreader event was the outdoor party to celebrate the nomination of the new SC judge - lots of hugging and no masks or distancing . There's a long list of politicians at that who have it, and so do some support staff. Then there's the people who prepped Trump for the debate going down with it, . And then seemingly after being diagnosed, Trump went off to a fund raiser ...
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Post by djp on Oct 3, 2020 20:12:32 GMT
People seem to have missed the point about iOS and the app. The point I was making is that if the device doesn't support the required functionality then there's nothing the developers of the app can do about it. If you need to upgrade the operating system then you need to upgrade it. The app can't do something if the phone won't let it. And what are they supposed to rely on if not an app? It's not as if they can expect everyone to manually exchange details with everyone they're close to for more than 15 minutes. It needs to happen automatically, so what better than a pocket-sized computer that many people carry with them all the time? It's true that not everybody has them but what else is there? What would they have done before smartphones existed? Would they have perhaps thought about an approach that didn’t rely on smartphones? Couldn’t they also do that now? Or are they just going to totally ignore the proportion of the population who can’t use the app, and hope we don’t spread the virus? Does anyone know? Has anyone actually explained what the strategy is for non-app users? Do we not matter? Could this be communicated to us in some way? Perhaps those signs and text messages telling everyone to download the app could explain what to do if you can’t? You can't find out who was sitting next to you on the tube or train , or who stood next to you in the Sondheim bar, without an app that works, or who contaminated the down escalator rail at St Pancras with one. .
But most transmission is within families and you can get details of who went to the fatal birthday party. you can also find the infected workers in the hotspot - because they work at the food factory, care home , or hospital . And your task isn't to identify every infected person - its to identify enough of them and isolate them to reduce the R number . its a bit hit and miss as most people may not infect anyone else, and the superspreaders may infect tens , but you should be able to reduce the number of new infections back down towards one and then below. And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residenc, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread , so you keep them shut , or in the universities case should have.
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 4, 2020 19:35:40 GMT
And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residence, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread, so you keep them shut Are there confirmed instances of a newly-reopened theater being the source of infection?
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 5, 2020 11:40:44 GMT
Well the Mango Mussolini is now in a motorcade. Just wrong.
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Post by sfsusan on Oct 5, 2020 12:38:58 GMT
Well the Mango Mussolini is now in a motorcade. Just wrong. Wrong, but very consistent with his need to have his ego fed, totally disregarding anybody else. Heck, he probably feels the Secret Service are 'losers' and 'suckers' for taking a job that could require them to sacrifice their own lives for his. (Or he accepts this as his due and doesn't even think about it.) I read recently this is the first time in his life he's faced consequences that he's unable to charm, bully, bluster or buy his way out of.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 5, 2020 13:49:17 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 6, 2020 10:28:45 GMT
As per yesterday's announcement, Rishi Sunak has worked out that musicians and those in the arts simply need to retrain and find other jobs:
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Post by jojo on Oct 6, 2020 15:05:01 GMT
And it's all very well saying that most people are infected by someone else in their family/household. That makes sense, because if you are sharing a home with someone infected, you will be exposed in a way that makes it reasonably likely you will become infected. But that first member of the family who is infecting everyone else in their household has to catch it from someone else, and theatres, pubs and public transport are possibilities means of linking families, so to speak.
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Post by jojo on Oct 6, 2020 15:51:58 GMT
What would they have done before smartphones existed? Would they have perhaps thought about an approach that didn’t rely on smartphones? Couldn’t they also do that now? Or are they just going to totally ignore the proportion of the population who can’t use the app, and hope we don’t spread the virus? Does anyone know? Has anyone actually explained what the strategy is for non-app users? Do we not matter? Could this be communicated to us in some way? Perhaps those signs and text messages telling everyone to download the app could explain what to do if you can’t?
But most transmission is within families and you can get details of who went to the fatal birthday party. you can also find the infected workers in the hotspot - because they work at the food factory, care home , or hospital . And your task isn't to identify every infected person - its to identify enough of them and isolate them to reduce the R number . its a bit hit and miss as most people may not infect anyone else, and the superspreaders may infect tens , but you should be able to reduce the number of new infections back down towards one and then below. And sadly for theatres, and university halls of residenc, e there's now a known range of factors leading to higher infection spread , so you keep them shut , or in the universities case should have.
Sorry, mucked up my quoting - meant to be responding to this bit about family transmission.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 15, 2020 15:42:11 GMT
First Cummings, now Ferrier. The rules really don't apply to them do they? What a complete and utter kick in the teeth:
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Post by lynette on Oct 15, 2020 16:08:48 GMT
Appalling. She may well have all sorts of excuses but a basic fine would have satisfied most and allowed her to carry on as MP without future ramifications.
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Post by poster J on Oct 15, 2020 16:27:23 GMT
As if the new tiered system wasn't pointless enough, how can they expect anyone willingly to follow the rules if such blatant and repeated breaches are not prosecuted?
People generally do have a limit on their tolerance of anything, particularly when they see others getting away with rule breaking without any consequences.
I'm sure most people will still take sensible precautions, but I'm not currently feeling too inclined to stop seeing friends in sanitised restaurant settings as Tier 2 restrictions are supposed to prohibit...
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Post by alece10 on Oct 16, 2020 11:45:24 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app.
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Post by poster J on Oct 16, 2020 11:50:24 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. I haven't had any alert, but read elsewhere that you will be contacted separately if you have to be tested or isolate as a result of a close contact with someone who has tested positive - the initial alert doesn't factor in how close or how long you were in contact with them. All seems a bit confused to me, but the government seems to be determined to focus on measures that don't address the real problems rather than fixing the track and trace system...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 16, 2020 15:39:23 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. Sometimes I see a notification that seems to be saying something about being in contact, but when I click it it disappears, the app opens and there’s nothing there. It’s a fault because I’m staying away from absolutely everyone at the moment.
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Post by alece10 on Oct 16, 2020 16:39:04 GMT
Does anyone use the NHS Covid App and had an alert? My phone just pinged and an alert came up at the top of the screen, it said something about being in close contact with someone - then couldn't read the rest of the line Then another ping and it said " but don't worry" and couldn't read the rest of it. Went onto the app and there is nothing there that lets you read the alerts. Looked at the FAQ section and it said something about if you need to be tested or isolated it would come up on the app with a countwodn clock but nothing is showing. Just wondered if anyone has had anything similar when using the app. Sometimes I see a notification that seems to be saying something about being in contact, but when I click it it disappears, the app opens and there’s nothing there. It’s a fault because I’m staying away from absolutely everyone at the moment. Yes thats exactly what happened to me. I'll not panic then.
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 16, 2020 17:18:26 GMT
I would have been good to have a test feature that you could tap and it would send you a sample alert so you could check that you were receiving the alerts properly and know what to look out for, although I'm sure that there'd be some people who'd mistake it for genuine even though it had SAMPLE all over it and they'd just that second selected an option called "Send Sample Alert".
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Post by adrianics on Oct 17, 2020 9:43:14 GMT
Sometimes I see a notification that seems to be saying something about being in contact, but when I click it it disappears, the app opens and there’s nothing there. It’s a fault because I’m staying away from absolutely everyone at the moment. Yes thats exactly what happened to me. I'll not panic then. Exact same thing happened to me last night and this morning, it said something like "someone you've been near has tested positive" then the second said "don't worry, we've assessed your risk", then when I clicked on the notifications they disappeared and it took me to the main landing screen
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 17, 2020 11:27:15 GMT
"Don't worry. We've assessed your risk. Just don't start any long books. Or meals."
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 26, 2020 13:07:50 GMT
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Post by glossie on Oct 26, 2020 19:11:19 GMT
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 26, 2020 19:28:38 GMT
I'm kind of baffled why nobody bothered to ask the store staff — who would presumably have been aware of a break-in at their own store and would have been able to provide an explanation and possibly even fetch merchandise when requested — and chose instead to ask some low-paid head-office worker who won't have been told anything other than "If someone complains that they can't buy something just give them this stock response".
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Post by glossie on Oct 27, 2020 10:59:40 GMT
Because that would mean they would get the products they wanted with an apology and explanation. Because that way they don’t get to whip up a twitter storm and get their five minutes of fame. Because it takes far less effort to take out your phone to complain to your ‘friends’ than to bother looking for a member of staff for help.
Not that I’m cynical or anything...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 28, 2020 19:29:11 GMT
Severe lockdowns in France and Germany.
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Post by theatreian on Oct 28, 2020 23:11:54 GMT
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Post by The Matthew on Oct 29, 2020 4:42:29 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if we have another national lockdown for a few weeks. Yes, it'll be expensive, but nothing compared with the cost of letting this get more out of control than it already is.
I'm extremely disappointed that many people are still not taking this seriously. The members clubs loopholing their way out of the pub and restaurant restrictions are an example: they know full well why the restrictions exist but they've decided that because they aren't covered by those restrictions it's OK for them to go right ahead and put people at risk. But actual people are actually dying. This is not a game where knowing the right cheat codes will allow you to sidestep the rules for an easy win. You can't rules-lawyer a disease. It remains exactly as infectious and exactly as deadly no matter how clever you imagine you are.
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Post by jojo on Oct 29, 2020 10:32:05 GMT
So true Matthew. I wish we could have a nuanced approach to risk reduction, but it seems there are too many people (and it doesn't need to be many) who try to push the boundaries and give themselves an exemption, so it may well be that we need something more draconian. And as much as I like to blame the government for their many failings, that should not be used to excuse the consistent rule flouters.
I think Wales got their knickers in a twist with the 'essential items only from Tesco' rule, but I think they were right to tie in a severe, time-limited form of lockdown with the October/half-term school break. A lot of parents like to take time off then anyway, so it's a naturally quieter time for many businesses.
I've seen us compared with frogs in hot water. Earlier in the year we were shocked to see numbers rising quickly, so we jumped out of the pan. Now we're back in and not paying attention, convincing ourselves everything is normal as it's getting warmer and warmer.
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