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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 12:30:59 GMT
It’s all over the place in France too. Regional variations, loads of non compliance, shops are allowed to make masks compulsory or recommended and it’s up to them which they choose. Cinemas are require masks to be worn in foyers and ticketing areas but not when you’re in your seat which seems entirely the wrong way round. Theatres in Germany follow the same rule I believe.
From next month through it might change as it becomes compulsory in all French shops.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 13:20:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 13:29:43 GMT
If this turns out to be true when the boffins have checked it out, it would seem that the chances of coming across someone who is infected is very small. It's low where I am. The four lower tier local authorities around my area had a total of 17 new cases between them in the week from 7th to 13th July. That's roughly what it was for the middle of March. All we need to do now is make sure it stays that way. Figures for 7th to 13th July show that 28 of the 315 LTLAs had no new cases at all in that week, 38 had one new case in the week, and a total of 216 (including those 28 and 38) had an average of one new case a day or lower. On the other hand, 14 LTLAs had 50 or more cases in that week and three of those (Kirklees, Bradford and Leicester) had more than 100. |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 16, 2020 14:06:45 GMT
If the economy tanks, it's our fault. If we get infected it's also our fault.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 15:12:59 GMT
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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 16:07:46 GMT
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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 16:15:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:23:25 GMT
I think there's an element of the Conservative Party — that part of the Party that thinks the country has gone downhill since the poor were given excessive liberties such as the vote and the right to expect not to be killed at work — who believe that people will skive off if they're not constantly watched by their betters managers and so the only way for people to be productive is if they're permanently under the thumb every second of the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:29:10 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't.
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Post by clair on Jul 16, 2020 16:40:53 GMT
My workplace closed on the 20th - was still 'suggested' at that point, think it wasn't fully implemented until after the weekend which would be the 23rd
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Post by basdfg on Jul 16, 2020 17:02:15 GMT
Idiot.
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Post by n1david on Jul 16, 2020 17:19:27 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't. 22nd was when Boris went on the TV and told us all we must stay at home - the start of official lockdown. 16th March was when we were told not to go to the pub, but they weren't told they had to close, so some places started closing but others carried on close to usual. On 12th March we were still at "At some point in the next few weeks, we are likely to go further and if someone in a household has those symptoms, we will be asking everyone in the household to stay at home" |
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Post by sf on Jul 16, 2020 17:22:16 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't.
Theatres were advised to close on the 16th, but the lockdown was announced on the 23rd and began on the 24th. Boris Johnson's TV address to the nation announcing the lockdown was broadcast in the evening on Monday 23rd.
An awful lot of people began social distancing earlier than that, and a lot of workplaces had already switched as many employees as they could to working from home by then. I'd been flathunting in and around London, and during the second week in March it became very obvious very quickly that a lot of people were making major changes to their behaviour and their travelling patterns.
I was in a Travelodge on the 23rd, waiting to get the keys to my flat on the Friday that week. When hotels closed on the 24th, it was a real push to get the paperwork through so that I could get the keys that day - and there's a special place in Hell for the letting agent who, that morning, told me it wouldn't be possible. It was possible, and it took about two hours.
(There's a special place in Hell for letting agents and estate agents anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Haven't met an honest one yet.)
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Post by nick on Jul 16, 2020 18:01:05 GMT
Does anyone know of a site that has a map of recent cases only? There are loads of maps that show the total number of infections, but the number of active cases has fallen so much that those are basically just historical maps of how things were in April and May. I have recent figures and can make a table of the number of cases during the last week for each local authority, but that just has place names so it's difficult to visualise where the hot spots are. This site has interactive graphs. Hovering your mouse over parts of the graph shows you numbers for individual days: Worldometers
Ah you said map. I've also used a government site that lists daily deaths by local health trusts but it's escaped me at present |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 16, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't.
Theatres were advised to close on the 16th, but the lockdown was announced on the 23rd and began on the 24th. Boris Johnson's TV address to the nation announcing the lockdown was broadcast in the evening on Monday 23rd.
An awful lot of people began social distancing earlier than that, and a lot of workplaces had already switched as many employees as they could to working from home by then. I'd been flathunting in and around London, and during the second week in March it became very obvious very quickly that a lot of people were making major changes to their behaviour and their travelling patterns.
I was in a Travelodge on the 23rd, waiting to get the keys to my flat on the Friday that week. When hotels closed on the 24th, it was a real push to get the paperwork through so that I could get the keys that day - and there's a special place in Hell for the letting agent who, that morning, told me it wouldn't be possible. It was possible, and it took about two hours.
(There's a special place in Hell for letting agents and estate agents anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Haven't met an honest one yet.)
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Post by firefingers on Jul 16, 2020 19:19:21 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't. Nope. I remember watching the prime minister's address go out very clearly. Theatres/pubs etc were first to be told to shut (or if you remember, people were told not to go...) on the 16th and it was exactly a week later when we were advised to go into full lockdown, nationwide, on the 23rd. Johnson's speach can be found here: www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020. My flatmate didn't get back into the country until the 22nd, having had their show pulled on the other side of the world, and so it couldn't have been earlier as she wouldn't have been next to me to watch it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 19:28:43 GMT
23rd March? It was earlier than that, surely? One of our customers at work shut down their shops on the 17th, and the pubs were already closed by the end of that week. I know because I'd planned to go out towards the end of that week and couldn't. Nope. I remember watching the prime minister's address go out very clearly. Theatres/pubs etc were first to be told to shut (or if you remember, people were told not to go...) on the 16th and it was exactly a week later when we were advised to go into full lockdown, nationwide, on the 23rd. Johnson's speach can be found here: www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020. My flatmate didn't get back into the country until the 22nd, having had their show pulled on the other side of the world, and so it couldn't have been earlier as she wouldn't have been next to me to watch it. Thanks. The text of the speech makes it fairly clear: people were strongly advised to stay home before the 23rd, but the 23rd was when it became mandatory. I remember the date when things started to lock down because I was just about to go out on the morning of the 14th when an emergency happened at work so I had to deal with that instead. "Never mind", I thought. "I can go next week." Four months later... |
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Post by lichtie on Jul 16, 2020 20:15:04 GMT
As a University we were one of the later ones to shut - the students were told to stay away after Wednesday the 18th, and the staff told they had until the Friday to pick up anything they needed from the office before the whole site was closed (barring essential staff) at 5pm. I was told this was based on briefing they'd received that the official lockdown would be announced imminently. At least we got some time. I know of another institution where the staff got 2 hours notice (and they closed before we did). But using public transport that last week you could see the numbers disappearing rapidly (and we were allowed to park for free for the last 3 days to avoid public transport though I didn't spot that until the end of the Thursday...) So yes everyone knew, but there were still some places (pubs mainly!) that seemed to be tring to defy reality.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 16, 2020 20:18:35 GMT
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Jul 16, 2020 20:37:12 GMT
People were told not to go to the pub & theatre on the 16th, which is when most of the theatres shut down, it wasn't until 20th they were ordered to close
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Post by vdcni on Jul 16, 2020 21:24:38 GMT
Yes let's not try and rewrite history, it was only a few months ago after all. A lot of venues were left in limbo financially with the government advising them to close but not ordering them.
Many companies, particularly in London where it was known the situation was more serious at that point, ignored the governments dithering and closed down ahead of advice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 21:47:08 GMT
As long as most people are careful most of the time the restrictions will do the job they need to do. Seems like a pretty strong assertion when it is dependent on those two "mosts" doing all that heavy lifting. I hope you're right. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 17, 2020 9:23:22 GMT
My dad will be delighted by this stuff about PHE - he has felt the death figures are massively over exaggerated to harm Boris.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:43:25 GMT
I can't see any adjustment to the figures would be hugely significant. If you look at the graphs of daily new cases and daily deaths they follow very similar curves, with a rapid rise to a peak and then a slow fall back towards zero, which is exactly the pattern you see in other countries such as Italy, Spain, Germany and France and suggests that death rates are being calculated fairly accurately everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 10:04:23 GMT
The earlier deaths woud not have applied to this 28 day time span.
Boris and Dildo Harding doing a press conference now.
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