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Post by sf on Jul 2, 2020 15:30:40 GMT
It is individuals who choose to ignore social distancing , not wear face coverings etc. I can understand these poll results to some extent as the government cannot police every individuals behaviour. The government could send a much clearer message about the measures we should all be taking to help keep everybody safe, and could work much harder than they have done to make sure rules are enforced. Other governments have done, and their per capita death tolls are lower than ours. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 2, 2020 16:45:36 GMT
It is individuals who choose to ignore social distancing , not wear face coverings etc. I can understand these poll results to some extent as the government cannot police every individuals behaviour. The government could send a much clearer message about the measures we should all be taking to help keep everybody safe, and could work much harder than they have done to make sure rules are enforced. Other governments have done, and their per capita death tolls are lower than ours. That added to the timing of going into lock down and some very poor planning. Would have been able to open some things more safely |
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 2, 2020 21:32:45 GMT
As far as government and individual responsibility goes there has to be some of both. I was talking to someone today and they said they had been on a bus and a lot had got on not wearing face coverings. Someone complained to the bus driver who said I am here to drive the bus, not challenge people. Government can make rules but sometimes they are difficult to police. Unfortunately we live in a society where people will not challenge others for fear of reprisal. You only have to look at the news to see why. I certainly would not challenge anyone for not wearing a mask. It is individuals who choose to ignore social distancing , not wear face coverings etc. I can understand these poll results to some extent as the government cannot police every individuals behaviour. Bus drivers have been told not to challenge non-compliant passengers. No point in making laws, if you aren’t going to police them. It needs the police to go and fine the perpetrators. Same with cycling and electric scooters on pavements, which is very topical at the moment - people ride these on the pavement, so they can listen to music via their headphones and in some cases on their phones. It is illegal to ride on the pavement. Both masks and scooters/cycles should be hit with fines, as both are dangerous and a threat to other people. |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 9:41:12 GMT
The Police are doing a good job at Tube and Train stations but not sure there is any-more resources to cover buses - maybe an officer at bus stations and the busiest stops.
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Post by londonpostie on Jul 3, 2020 9:41:24 GMT
My local hopper bus has less than 50% compliance. Police have better things to do than ride on every bus. People gave up after Cummings. The news Johnson' father has disappeared to Greece just adds to the farce.
I mentioned a couple of times on here last month and before; the time to feel more comfortable is when you see Boris Johnson's father in an English pub, and now they are about to open again he has flown to Greece.
As ever; watch what they do not what they say.
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 9:45:23 GMT
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 3, 2020 9:47:06 GMT
He also looks pretty scary without a mask |
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 3, 2020 10:35:25 GMT
He also looks pretty scary without a mask He might want to give a direct order to that effect on national television then. |
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 3, 2020 12:17:00 GMT
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 3, 2020 12:30:28 GMT
Any news of yesterdays numbers that weren't announced yet?
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 3, 2020 12:35:47 GMT
Sadly, people will be queuing for this.
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Post by Deal J on Jul 3, 2020 12:43:59 GMT
6am!? Thank goodness Mr Johnson has urged everyone to be sensible, otherwise there'd be mayhem! Sigh.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jul 3, 2020 12:56:44 GMT
Opening the pubs on a Saturday was a not a sensible decision. Happy to be proved wrong though
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 3, 2020 13:14:03 GMT
It’s like when you go through airport departures and people are having pints of lager with their full English at 6.30am 😝
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 3, 2020 13:24:42 GMT
It’s like when you go through airport departures and people are having pints of lager with their full English at 6.30am 😝 Must be a Manchester thing BB, never seen that at JLA  |
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Post by Deal J on Jul 3, 2020 13:33:55 GMT
It’s like when you go through airport departures and people are having pints of lager with their full English at 6.30am 😝 Yes, when everyone knows vodka is a morning beverage. In all honesty, I have to confess I am amongst those who kid themselves that airports have their own time zones, and so anything goes (within reason and with moderation)! |
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Post by basdfg on Jul 3, 2020 14:24:59 GMT
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Post by meister on Jul 3, 2020 14:58:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 15:07:35 GMT
Labour have always supported the opening of schools. The critical word is ‘safe’ and nothing has changed, primarily it was the heads teaching staff who were uncomfortable with the initial plans for the 1st Jun and most teachers are union members it was easier to malign the Unions. Now the Government have to prove the measures introduced have significantly reduced the risks as much as possible as zero risk is unattainable. Through now teaching unions are still much more skeptical than Labour. Parents. Parents are sceptical. It’s all about parents. Government will try and say it is about unions but only the gullible will fall for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 15:50:49 GMT
6am!? Thank goodness Mr Johnson has urged everyone to be sensible, otherwise there'd be mayhem! Sigh. Seems like a good time to me. It reduces the number of people who want to be there when they open. And being realistic about it most places will open at their usual time anyway, and I know some are planning to wait until Monday because they want to start on a quiet day in order to get back into the routine of things gradually. I see there are some hairdressers who are going to be opening at 00:01. I've never understood the point of that sort of thing, like when a new book or game in a popular series comes out and some shops start selling it at midnight and there are always queues of people who just must have it as soon as it's available instead of waiting until a sane time. You've waited this long; a few more hours won't make that much of a difference. |
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Post by vdcni on Jul 3, 2020 16:09:48 GMT
Yes apparently the 6am start is to prevent pubs opening at midnight tonight which is when the rest of the changes go into effect.
I suppose they could have said midday instead but some pubs serve breakfast and most of them will open at their normal time anyway.
I looked the other day and about half the pubs near me aren't opening tomorrow. Some open on Monday and others in a week or two. There's a few saying end of July/early August.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 3, 2020 16:26:00 GMT
Yes apparently the 6am start is to prevent pubs opening at midnight tonight which is when the rest of the changes go into effect. I suppose they could have said midday instead but some pubs serve breakfast and most of them will open at their normal time anyway. I looked the other day and about half the pubs near me aren't opening tomorrow. Some open on Monday and others in a week or two. There's a few saying end of July/early August. Doesn't that just mean less places for the same amount of people to try and cram into? |
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Post by vdcni on Jul 3, 2020 16:34:15 GMT
Is it going to be the same amount of people. I've seen lots of people say they aren't going to be rushing back.
I don't think it's going to be as simple as saying every pub will be packed.
Anyway you can't force them to open tomorrow if they don't think they're ready.
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Post by Mark on Jul 3, 2020 17:03:57 GMT
I have booked a meal out at my local pub on Wednesday night with a friend. We haven't seen each other since March so will be very nice to catch up. I'm working this weekend, quite glad to be honest as I'll be away from it all.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 3, 2020 18:39:15 GMT
Now I'm worrying in case we have to dodge people going out to pubs when we're coming home from our early morning walk at 5.30am.
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