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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 13:25:15 GMT
Great news! Dentists can reopen from June 8th. Might have been an idea to tell dentists about it though. They can open from June 8th. They're not required to open or else. What would you rather have the government do? Individually check with every dentist to get their opinions before deciding on a date? |
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Post by talkingheads on May 29, 2020 13:26:38 GMT
Great news! Dentists can reopen from June 8th. Might have been an idea to tell dentists about it though. They can open from June 8th. They're not required to open or else. What would you rather have the government do? Individually check with every dentist to get their opinions before deciding on a date? Don't announce it to the world until there has been a survey of enough dentists to come to a consensus |
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Post by theatremadness on May 29, 2020 13:28:32 GMT
Further to my post above, why would you even consider easing lockdown before lowering the threat level?
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Post by sf on May 29, 2020 13:46:06 GMT
Further to my post above, why would you even consider easing lockdown before lowering the threat level?
Because the safety of the public is not this government's primary concern.
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Post by Someone in a tree on May 29, 2020 13:49:12 GMT
Protect my mate Dominic Cummings
Protect my mates in the city
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 29, 2020 14:01:07 GMT
Hospital Admissions England:
Last Seven Days: 713 675 685 595 471 472 475
Will be interesting the number published today in the Briefing, another day in the 400ās would be worrying and may be indicative of coming out of lockdown too soon.
Prefer this metric over deaths as it is an earlier stage and it will be another 1-2 weeks before the trend of number of deaths catches up and we will have lost time to react.
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Post by talkingheads on May 29, 2020 14:42:40 GMT
Further to my post above, why would you even consider easing lockdown before lowering the threat level? I'm intrigued how unless they actually start faking the science (which I admit I wouldn't put it past them) how they are going to defend the lifting of lockdown whilst quoting the rising figures. |
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 29, 2020 16:27:28 GMT
If anyone is interested, the number published today For hospital admissions for the 27th is....... 552
Looks as if we are settling into a long tail with a couple hundred deaths a day becoming the new normal.
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Post by sweets7 on May 29, 2020 16:44:08 GMT
If anyone is interested, the number published today For hospital admissions for the 27th is....... Ā 552 Looks as if we are settling into a long tail with a couple hundred deaths a day becoming the new normal. Very interesting. I wonder if things will continue to go up. People are just getting on with their lives now and the schools have not even reopened yet. |
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Post by sf on May 29, 2020 16:51:45 GMT
If anyone is interested, the number published today For hospital admissions for the 27th is....... 552 Looks as if we are settling into a long tail with a couple hundred deaths a day becoming the new normal. Very interesting. I wonder if things will continue to go up. People are just getting on with their lives now and the schools have not even reopened yet. Sheffield City Council has apparently instructed all LEA-run schools in the city not to begin wider opening (that is, to all pupils in a given year group rather than just the children of key workers) until after June 15th: |
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Post by Latecomer on May 29, 2020 18:05:35 GMT
If anyone is interested, the number published today For hospital admissions for the 27th is....... 552 Looks as if we are settling into a long tail with a couple hundred deaths a day becoming the new normal. Yes, interested. Thanks. Where do you find this? Would like to keep an eye on it. I think saying that you can meet up with family in your own garden, just before an absolutely gorgeous weekend, with no real explanation of why Monday and why not now, is a rookie error...or perhaps Boris just wanted to have good news to deflect from Cummings story? I donāt think we āneeded time to prepareā....itās not like we are going to be doing anything special is it? I do like the other leaders (Welsh and Scottish) as they explain well eg why 5 miles Limit ( you might not be able to obey this if in rural areas, we understand, but you get our concept...please donāt spread it between places) etc etc Boris, in particular, is not very good at explaining in follow up questions...so for barbecue question he didnāt say āif you pass a plate of food or touch a spoon to get barbecue sauce then your guests may catch it if you have it and are not showing symptomsā ...he just said āwash handsā ...I mean that helps but not if you then touch your mouth before passing that sauce bottle over...!!!! He just such a muddler.... |
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Post by NeilVHughes on May 29, 2020 18:10:44 GMT
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Post by lynette on May 29, 2020 18:11:13 GMT
Young people coming out of lockdown, necessity of work and looking after little kids etc. Us old āuns staying very careful. There will be a second wave - I really hope I am wrong - because there always is, always...so we must be prepared for this but the NHS is now prepared...we hope ..and we know much more about treatment so letās hope that unlike the second waves of past pandemics, we can cope with it well. I expect to be advised to stay in, a semi lockdown if you lie, in the autumn and part of the winter. This virus hasnāt gone away. The best we can hope for is a vaccine that picks it out in the main, as the current flu vaccines do, and a better and more alert attitude to catch it early and also better at home treatments, specialised over the counter drugs. I also think that flexibility re working conditions and terms must ensue. As living beings, we are resourceful, intelligent and we cooperate with each other so we should be able to deal with this kind of thing. ( government advisors the exception perhaps )
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Post by lynette on May 29, 2020 18:13:02 GMT
You can race your horse, fish your fish and golf your golf. You canāt hug your mum. Bloody ridiculous.
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Post by talkingheads on May 29, 2020 18:39:37 GMT
What I find most ridiculous is you are allowed to work in a shop coming into very close contact with hundreds of people a day, but hugging your friends is out of the question.
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Post by intoanewlife on May 29, 2020 18:54:07 GMT
Very interesting. I wonder if things will continue to go up. People are just getting on with their lives now and the schools have not even reopened yet. Sheffield City Council has apparently instructed all LEA-run schools in the city not to begin wider opening (that is, to all pupils in a given year group rather than just the children of key workers) until after June 15th: We are going to end up like the US where States and cities are totally ignoring the Government because their advice is completely against their own guidelines and the science. |
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Post by xanady on May 29, 2020 19:17:39 GMT
The trouble with this govt is that every policy feels like itās been scribbled on the back of a fag packet...probably by a visually-impaired adviser on his 260 mile drive to the North-East.
As well as the unimaginable horror of the virus itself,we also now have chaos,confusion and extreme stress caused by the baffling behaviour of govt officials and often-contradictory polices or interpretations of policy on numerous issues.
Anyway,I tried to be creative to sum up how I feel.....
Psychiatrist-Welcome xanady
Me-Thank You
Psychiatrist-Whatās on your mind these days?Tell me about it...
Me-Well since you asked.......
furloughing(twitter ablaze with businessmen and women saying its game over with the new ruling today!)
schools(?)
track and trace(day 2 and massive issues)
coming out of lockdown....or not...or partly...or weāre not sure
dentists(are we opening?....why werenāt we told?.....Nurse,grab the drill!)
shockingly-inept performance of govt representatives at briefings,Question Time,breakfast tv etc
Hancock giggling and chuckling away like a child on Lorraine with thousands and thousands dead...itās NOT a joke situation!!!!
the DC issue(described by one wag today as a rotting apple in the barrel of govt)
how to manage a garden barbecue in lockdown (you will need a doctorate to understand the rules)
meltdown in the leisure industry with zero support being offered by govt or even words of support
the theatre industry on life support
the care home crisis tragedy
PPE shortages(STILL)
the missing Isle Of Wight tracking that never was
scientists on the daily briefing being shut down rudely by BJ in case they say the wrong thing
etc
etc
Has ANYBODY GOT A MAP?
Boris?
No....silly question!
Will I ever get to hug my ageing poorly isolated father ever again?
I pray for the NHS and key-workers and those who live alone and those whose mental health might never recover x
(Exit Psychiatrist babbling incoherently)
The End
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Post by sf on May 29, 2020 19:21:26 GMT
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Post by lynette on May 29, 2020 19:28:03 GMT
Iām wondering about this tracking business. Not that Iām going anywhere but if someone phones me and goes on about tracking and asks me for any personal details and numbers of friends I will put the phone down. We have so many scammers and so on, do anyone think this will work? Iām all for technology but frankly a simple public service notice with posters everywhere, tv ads and interactive ads saying something like, ā share and support- if you have symptoms tell your friends and GP, call xxx for adviceā etc etc... would work better. Get a few celebs on board and we would be tracking gleefully all day long.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:05:17 GMT
What I find most ridiculous is you are allowed to work in a shop coming into very close contact with hundreds of people a day, but hugging your friends is out of the question. The two essential differences are that: 1) There's no need for shop workers to come into very close contact with customers, while hugging friends is extremely close contact that offers a couple of orders of magnitude more opportunity for disease transmission. 2) Shops are an essential part of the economy. Hugging your friends is not. A general message to all: I struggle to believe nobody here is aware of that, and it seems like quite a few people here are just trying to pick holes in everything. If you think about things in terms of disease transmission it's pretty bloody obvious why some things are being allowed and others are not. |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on May 29, 2020 20:20:27 GMT
Young people coming out of lockdown, necessity of work and looking after little kids etc. Us old āuns staying very careful. There will be a second wave - I really hope I am wrong - because there always is, always...so we must be prepared for this but the NHS is now prepared...we hope ..and we know much more about treatment so letās hope that unlike the second waves of past pandemics, we can cope with it well. I expect to be advised to stay in, a semi lockdown if you lie, in the autumn and part of the winter. This virus hasnāt gone away. The best we can hope for is a vaccine that picks it out in the main, as the current flu vaccines do, and a better and more alert attitude to catch it early and also better at home treatments, specialised over the counter drugs. I also think that flexibility re working conditions and terms must ensue. As living beings, we are resourceful, intelligent and we cooperate with each other so we should be able to deal with this kind of thing. ( government advisors the exception perhaps ) Second wave, haven't come out of first wave yet have we?? ) USA - 340 deaths today 2) UK - 324 deaths today just 16 behind USA. 3) Italy - 87 deaths today. 27/28/29th March, deaths - 792 27/28/29th May, deaths -1112 20 March - 754 new infections (+ve tests) 29 May - 2095 new infections (+ve tests) "Opening schools will allow more people back to work" - Rishi Sunak 29/05/20 Yes ending lockdown seems perfectly acceptable. |
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Post by londonpostie on May 29, 2020 22:40:51 GMT
Young people coming out of lockdown, necessity of work and looking after little kids etc. Us old āuns staying very careful. There will be a second wave - I really hope I am wrong - because there always is, always... You're quite right.
I've phoned my elderly relatives this week to remind them everything they are being told and tempted with has no scientific support, it is entirely political decision making and they must ignore it. Johnson's Tories are that callous.
The time to maybe start to think about things is when you see Boris Johnson's 70-yo dad, who has no pre-exisisting, in a crowded pub again, and absolutely not before.
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Post by londonpostie on May 30, 2020 6:59:02 GMT
Second wave, haven't come out of first wave yet have we?? ) USA - 340 deaths today 2) UK - 324 deaths today just 16 behind USA. 3) Italy - 87 deaths today. 27/28/29th March, deaths - 792 27/28/29th May, deaths -1112 20 March - 754 new infections (+ve tests) 29 May - 2095 new infections (+ve tests) "Opening schools will allow more people back to work" - Rishi Sunak 29/05/20 Yes ending lockdown seems perfectly acceptable.
Iirc, lockdown started in March becasue deaths had reached an appalling 350
adding: this was just on Sky news:
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 10:51:05 GMT
What I find most ridiculous is you are allowed to work in a shop coming into very close contact with hundreds of people a day, but hugging your friends is out of the question. The two essential differences are that: 1) There's no need for shop workers to come into very close contact with customers, while hugging friends is extremely close contact that offers a couple of orders of magnitude more opportunity for disease transmission. 2) Shops are an essential part of the economy. Hugging your friends is not. A general message to all: I struggle to believe nobody here is aware of that, and it seems like quite a few people here are just trying to pick holes in everything. If you think about things in terms of disease transmission it's pretty bloody obvious why some things are being allowed and others are not. Places where people are together for more than a few minutes are, apparently, more of a problem than shops. Which means that public transport, taxis, workplaces, schools, restaurants, pubs, theatres are much more dangerous (plus, all are enclosed usually, which is another factor). So why treat each differently? Suggest masks for some (which people are wilfully ignoring anyway, unlike in most other countries) or totally deny the importance of masks elsewhere? Close some but not others? Why the difference? Having no consistency kills a message. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2020 12:28:39 GMT
So why treat each differently? Suggest masks for some (which people are wilfully ignoring anyway, unlike in most other countries) or totally deny the importance of masks elsewhere? Close some but not others? Why the difference? Having no consistency kills a message. Things have to be treated differently because a one size fits all policy is never going to work. In fact I think one of the biggest problems we face is that people keep demanding a simple message, but you can't deal with a complex situation using simplistic "just do this" rules. Take the example of dentists being allowed to reopen, for instance. Someone here (and I'm intentionally not checking to see who it was because it's the general principle that matters) was saying that the government should have consulted dentists first. I don't know whether they did or not, and it doesn't really matter. They're not ordering all dentists back to work; that would be stupid. What they're saying, in effect, is "You each know your own practice better than we do, so we're delegating the decision to reopen to you because you are all in a better position to decide than we could ever be". Another way of looking at it is that they're not consulting a few dentists. They're consulting every last one. I think that's the right approach. It was the government's job to impose the lockdown in the first place because we were in the exponential growth stage of the disease with cases doubling around every 2Ā½ days and mandatory restrictions were required no matter what people wanted. We're out of the exponential growth phase now. There's still a considerable danger, and the fact that the government has extended the furlough scheme into the autumn shows that they're only too well aware that the danger hasn't gone away. But the situation now is very different from the one that required our belated lockdown. I think the important thing everyone ā and I don't mean everyone on the forum, but everyone ā needs to understand is that reopening the country for business requires all of us to understand the issues. A country shop with a footfall of 20 per hour is a very different situation from a city centre megastore with a footfall of 100 per minute. Refusing to allow the former to open until the latter would be safe or forcing the latter to open because the former can would both be stupid approaches. Consequently, things need to be considered on a case by case basis. The government can't do our thinking for us, and I think the most disturbing thing about this entire situation is the number of people who have an attitude of "I will not understand". Just as we can stand a few people who refuse to get vaccinated against any disease so long as enough do to keep the transmission rate of that disease out of the exponential growth state, so we can cope with a few people who just don't "get" disease transmission and treat it like magic that can be cured with a "just do this" spell. But the rest of us need to step up our game and actually use our brains now. It's up to us to win this fight. It's not going to be won for us. |
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