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Post by zahidf on Jul 12, 2021 20:00:34 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the NHS check in app gets erased by most people after July 19th
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 12, 2021 20:16:09 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the NHS check in app gets erased by most people after July 19th Nobody got into Constellations unless they checked in.
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Post by Mark on Jul 12, 2021 20:21:46 GMT
Or presumably, did a paper version.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 12, 2021 20:33:48 GMT
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Post by mkb on Jul 13, 2021 1:28:18 GMT
A little bugbear of mine is how some venues are spacing their open seats. Two theatres I visited in the past week alone were at fault for this.
Typically, they block out seats something like:
OOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOO xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx OOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOO xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx OOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOO xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx OOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOOxxOO
i.e. leaving every alternate row empty.
It would better optimise spacing if they instead did:
OOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxx xxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOO OOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxx xxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOO OOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxx xxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOO OOxxxxxxOOxxxxxxOOxxxx
This also reduces the need to let people get past you on the same row.
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Post by sph on Jul 13, 2021 1:37:18 GMT
It isn't a strawman argument. There are people who actually do want restrictions to go on as long as the virus is in existence. There was literally a post earlier in this thread by a board member hoping for masks on public transport for the rest of time. The music is just as loud with your fingers in your ears... Until the latter part of the 20th century, public spaces were designed with disease in mind. Buses and trains had windows that opened for ventilation, buses had an open back, as did all workplaces, hospitals and schools. Schooldesks were separate and faced forward, hair was tied back or short at the sides to stop nits. All parents were informed if a child in the class had an infection or parasites. Public toilets had gappy partitions and a guard to stop perverts abusing them. Now it's all fully sealed buildings, open plan offices with interchangeable desks, people going out to queue for takeways for lunch, schoolkids huddled round tables, an American attitude to coming in to work with a streaming cold. We've now got a world with cheap and easy travel, and a novel disease can get from the far side of the world to here in hours. We need to remember why we used to build in a certain way and factor that in again. I'm sure much of this isn't true, modern buildings for example are designed with plenty of ventilation, but I'll be sure to crack a window if there's an outbreak of cholera on the Northern Line.
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Post by The Matthew on Jul 13, 2021 5:56:31 GMT
They aren't even pretending to have our best interests at heart any more They are pretending. They're just terrible at it, because of course they are.
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Post by hitmewithurbethshot on Jul 13, 2021 8:14:03 GMT
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Post by sfsusan on Jul 13, 2021 10:30:59 GMT
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 13, 2021 11:13:09 GMT
I can't decide if the govenrment are fools, murderers or both. I hope anyone who has a relative die of covid post-19th July despite being vaccinated sues the government for manslaughter/murder. I'm terrified that my mother will get covid when having to go to the numerous medical appointments she's having to attend at the moment. Meanwhile I'm abandoning hope of being able to set foot in a theatre ever again.
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 13, 2021 14:31:39 GMT
Has anyone actually asked the Government how on Earth vulnerable people are meant to 'take personal responsibility' when nobody has any idea who has been vaxxed?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 17:36:41 GMT
I’m slightly baffled by this. What’s the alternative? The other approx 63 million of us in the UK continue to live under lockdown conditions to protect approx 4 million clinically vulnerable? At what cost to the economy (I know people say lives are more important, but the economy = lives too)? At what cost to those who need treatment for other illnesses that may prove fatal, but who can’t access the necessary healthcare? It’s a fact that clinically vulnerable and very elderly people are more likely to succumb to illnesses like flu and covid. (Same can generally be said for the very young, though with covid thankfully it appears we’ve been spared that.) These facts are sad, frightening and horrible, but they remain facts. And unfortunately the government has to deal in facts, and make plans accordingly. Anyone making a case for mandatory vaccination, by the way? (As someone who believes in common sense and making your own choices, I was very much against it when it was first mooted. But now I’m so annoyed that we keep being held up from a return to normal life because of the naysayers, I’m starting to feel like I’d volunteer to knock loudly on their doors with a vaccination kit!)
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Post by talkingheads on Jul 13, 2021 19:36:16 GMT
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Post by vdcni on Jul 13, 2021 19:45:30 GMT
It's great but it just further shows up the abdication of responsibility by the goverment as so many different organisations are going to have to decide what stance to take. Which will lead to muddled messaging.
And yet have the government given any rationale why they have decided to abandon the legal mandate and just say masks are the expectation, and they've only gone as far as that after backlash from their original announcement.
As ever with this goverment they ignore the facts whenever they feel like it.
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Jul 13, 2021 21:11:55 GMT
I have a friend who works in theatre in the US, and as a cast they’ve just been sent a list of rules they need to stick to in their personal lives whilst performing in a certain show. Very much the same rules we’ll be dropping on the 19th July - social distancing with anyone outside their home bubble, wearing masks in indoor public spaces, avoiding large gatherings, plus guidance on disinfecting surfaces and hand washing.
It’s quite a list to read, and feels like a harsh imposing on an employee’s private life. I can, however, see similar rules happening here if shows keep being called off like this - the government lifting all rules will put the onus on individual employers to limit their staff’s movements if they want to avoid a whole company quarantine - and as much as I disagree with this swift lifting of rules, that feels very unfair.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 14, 2021 9:46:30 GMT
Fine, as long as these companies still making them mandatory will lift that rule in September once everyone has had a 2nd jab, because it won't get any better than that and there will be no justification.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 14, 2021 9:47:04 GMT
I can't decide if the govenrment are fools, murderers or both. I hope anyone who has a relative die of covid post-19th July despite being vaccinated sues the government for manslaughter/murder. I'm terrified that my mother will get covid when having to go to the numerous medical appointments she's having to attend at the moment. Meanwhile I'm abandoning hope of being able to set foot in a theatre ever again. I'm sorry.."ever again"? Why on earth not?!
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 14, 2021 11:02:08 GMT
I can't decide if the govenrment are fools, murderers or both. I hope anyone who has a relative die of covid post-19th July despite being vaccinated sues the government for manslaughter/murder. I'm terrified that my mother will get covid when having to go to the numerous medical appointments she's having to attend at the moment. Meanwhile I'm abandoning hope of being able to set foot in a theatre ever again. I'm sorry.."ever again"? Why on earth not?! Because the government seem happy for covid to become endemic and a significant number of people to keep dying of it annually going forward. There seems to be no expectation that we're ever going to get rid of it. So unless future vaccines are improved so as to completely stop deaths, how can meeting in large numbers ever be safe again?
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Post by sph on Jul 14, 2021 11:14:50 GMT
I'm sorry.."ever again"? Why on earth not?! Because the government seem happy for covid to become endemic and a significant number of people to keep dying of it annually going forward. There seems to be no expectation that we're ever going to get rid of it. So unless future vaccines are improved so as to completely stop deaths, how can meeting in large numbers ever be safe again? I imagine that once everyone has been vaccinated the numbers of people dying from covid will essentially be lower than those who die of regular flu. No amount of vaccines will make our world 100% safe. There will always be SOMETHING, but then, there always has been. We've never had a time in human history in which the world has been free of disease, this is just the latest, and the vaccines are making it comparatively safe.
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Post by zahidf on Jul 14, 2021 12:50:54 GMT
I'm sorry.."ever again"? Why on earth not?! Because the government seem happy for covid to become endemic and a significant number of people to keep dying of it annually going forward. There seems to be no expectation that we're ever going to get rid of it. So unless future vaccines are improved so as to completely stop deaths, how can meeting in large numbers ever be safe again? But it is endemic worldwide. Its impossible to have Zero Covid, so we just have to mitigate the risks. Vaccines have massively reduced the risk of dying from it.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 14, 2021 15:49:09 GMT
Theres going to be more chance of dying by being hit by a bus going to the theatre itself than from dying of covid because you've been in one, but if people want to be hermits because theres a new risk added to the hundreds there already are you happily take every day without thinking, then thats up to them.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jul 14, 2021 15:54:40 GMT
Therss going to be more chance of dying by being hit by a bus going to the theatre itself than from dying of covid because you've been in one, but if prople want to be hermits because theres a new risk added to the hundreds there already are you happily take every day without thinking, then thats up to them. Is that true?
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jul 14, 2021 17:26:04 GMT
Therss going to be more chance of dying by being hit by a bus going to the theatre itself than from dying of covid because you've been in one, but if prople want to be hermits because theres a new risk added to the hundreds there already are you happily take every day without thinking, then thats up to them. Is that true? Well once everyone has been vaccinated fully then deaths will certainly end up getting to that point yes.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 14, 2021 19:32:10 GMT
Theres going to be more chance of dying by being hit by a bus going to the theatre itself than from dying of covid because you've been in one, but if people want to be hermits because theres a new risk added to the hundreds there already are you happily take every day without thinking, then thats up to them. If I get hit by a bus going to the theatre then that'll be me dying and that's fine. If I take the risk then I suffer the consequences. If I catch covid going to the theatre then I am unlikely to die but I am very likely to pass it to my mother and she might well die, which is not fine. I can't take the risk then force someone else to suffer the possible consequences. Or does anyone seriously think it's okay to tell your relatives "I'm hellbent on going to the theatre and if it kills you then tough luck"?
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Post by nick on Jul 14, 2021 19:40:53 GMT
Well once everyone has been vaccinated fully then deaths will certainly end up getting to that point yes. Until another variant throws everything up in the air again. Unfortunately lots of people catching it increases the chance of mutation.
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Post by firefingers on Jul 14, 2021 19:54:35 GMT
Theres going to be more chance of dying by being hit by a bus going to the theatre itself than from dying of covid because you've been in one, but if people want to be hermits because theres a new risk added to the hundreds there already are you happily take every day without thinking, then thats up to them. If I get hit by a bus going to the theatre then that'll be me dying and that's fine. If I take the risk then I suffer the consequences. If I catch covid going to the theatre then I am unlikely to die but I am very likely to pass it to my mother and she might well die, which is not fine. I can't take the risk then force someone else to suffer the possible consequences. Or does anyone seriously think it's okay to tell your relatives "I'm hellbent on going to the theatre and if it kills you then tough luck"? I appreciate your view point, I was faced with the option of living with mum at the start of the pandemic and one of the reasons I didn't was I was worried about bringing it home. But, and I can only talk from my view point, my mum is now double jabbed, I will be getting jab 2 in a few weeks. If I deny myself theatre I would also need to deny myself anything where I spend 90 minutes in the company of other people. No restaurants, no bars, no travelling on long distance trains, no planes abroad, which both means basically never going on holiday, no cinemas, no concerts, no stand up gigs, no dinner parties, no national trust properties, no exhibitions, etc. It's just too many things to never do again, it would make the the the rest of my life miserable. I still have to go for work, so I risk exposure doing that, so then not to continue that risk to actually live my life is something my mum and I both agree on. She is in her 70s, but has been off to the theatre and opera, to museums and galleries, to restaurants and pubs, but she knows that you need to live life whilst you have it.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jul 14, 2021 20:25:20 GMT
I appreciate your view point, I was faced with the option of living with mum at the start of the pandemic and one of the reasons I didn't was I was worried about bringing it home. But, and I can only talk from my view point, my mum is now double jabbed, I will be getting jab 2 in a few weeks. If I deny myself theatre I would also need to deny myself anything where I spend 90 minutes in the company of other people. No restaurants, no bars, no travelling on long distance trains, no planes abroad, which both means basically never going on holiday, no cinemas, no concerts, no stand up gigs, no dinner parties, no national trust properties, no exhibitions, etc. It's just too many things to never do again, it would make the the the rest of my life miserable. I still have to go for work, so I risk exposure doing that, so then not to continue that risk to actually live my life is something my mum and I both agree on. She is in her 70s, but has been off to the theatre and opera, to museums and galleries, to restaurants and pubs, but she knows that you need to live life whilst you have it. I've always lived with my mother, I couldn't manage to live on my own either mentally or financially, so I don't have a realistic choice about that.
I am currently denying myself all that. Since my mother became ill at the end of March I have left my road twice, when I went for my two covid jabs. The only people I have been in close contact with are my aunt, uncle and cousin, who live just down the road, because I had to stay with them on the 4 occasions (totalling 31 nights) that my mother had been in hospital since April. Belive me, my life is currently pretty miserable. I sometimes wish I could have died of covid back in February 2020 and got it over and done with.
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Post by sph on Jul 14, 2021 22:31:59 GMT
I appreciate your view point, I was faced with the option of living with mum at the start of the pandemic and one of the reasons I didn't was I was worried about bringing it home. But, and I can only talk from my view point, my mum is now double jabbed, I will be getting jab 2 in a few weeks. If I deny myself theatre I would also need to deny myself anything where I spend 90 minutes in the company of other people. No restaurants, no bars, no travelling on long distance trains, no planes abroad, which both means basically never going on holiday, no cinemas, no concerts, no stand up gigs, no dinner parties, no national trust properties, no exhibitions, etc. It's just too many things to never do again, it would make the the the rest of my life miserable. I still have to go for work, so I risk exposure doing that, so then not to continue that risk to actually live my life is something my mum and I both agree on. She is in her 70s, but has been off to the theatre and opera, to museums and galleries, to restaurants and pubs, but she knows that you need to live life whilst you have it. I've always lived with my mother, I couldn't manage to live on my own either mentally or financially, so I don't have a realistic choice about that.
I am currently denying myself all that. Since my mother became ill at the end of March I have left my road twice, when I went for my two covid jabs. The only people I have been in close contact with are my aunt, uncle and cousin, who live just down the road, because I had to stay with them on the 4 occasions (totalling 31 nights) that my mother had been in hospital since April. Belive me, my life is currently pretty miserable. I sometimes wish I could have died of covid back in February 2020 and got it over and done with.
Is your mother double jabbed too though? Because if she is her risk should also be very low. If you choose not to go out or leave your road etc, that's up to you of course, but it's a shame to live your life that way. Sitting at home wishing you had died of Covid surely can't be better than just going out as a vaccinated person and having some sort of life for yourself? Unfortunately there will never be a 100% guaranteed vaccine or a 100% effective medicine for anything, that's just not how medicine works, but our vaccines and medicines are certainly very good. I just think it would be a shame to lose out on so much for yourself when statistically speaking there's no reason the vaccine shouldn't protect both you AND your mother, if you've both had them.
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Post by eulenspiegel on Jul 14, 2021 22:49:04 GMT
Was quite interesting he en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gottfried_Kremsnerwas a few minutes ago on German TV According to him Astra Zenecca is compared to other vaccines sh...as long as there were no others - OK but now with Delta... He would not use it anymore as there are far better vaccines ...even Curevac with only 48% efficency is very likely better - Astra Zenecca would not reach this level with the same study design - and Astra far more side effects. I will link it tomorrow
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Post by poster J on Jul 14, 2021 23:30:08 GMT
Was quite interesting he en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gottfried_Kremsnerwas a few minutes ago on German TV According to him Astra Zenecca is compared to other vaccines sh...as long as there were no others - OK but now with Delta... He would not use it anymore as there are far better vaccines ...even Curevac with only 48% efficency is very likely better - Astra Zenecca would not reach this level with the same study design - and Astra far more side effects. I will link it tomorrow Please stop with the scaremongering and endless comparisons with Germany, it isn't helping anyone. Pay attention to the tone of the thread, especially the posts immediately above yours...
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