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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 21:09:32 GMT
You clearly haven't been on a Tube or bus in London recently!
Actually I have - for the first time in some months and thought it was better than last summer when no one seemed to care.
Try the Central line at 7am when all the construction workers are on it. Very different.
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Post by djp on Jun 10, 2021 2:54:13 GMT
Is there any published evidence of people getting Covid from attending an event in the theatre? We had that short period in August, then before Christmas and there have been some shows in the past few weeks but I've seen nothing to suggest that people are catching it whilst there. Probably more chance on the public transport getting there and back. There's lots of cases internationally of enclosed poorly ventilated, spaces creating super spreader events . the S Korean night club where 240 plus people caught it from one carrier being one example, Churches and the Trump White House also created numerous cases of people who said it was no problem creating mass spreading events, Some of those preachers died. Some of those cases involved activities that produced forced breathing - like singing or projecting - choirs suffered badly. The basics remain the same . Masks do some work keeping it out, not staying in an enclosed location for so long does some- but you can't leave at the interval. . Ventilation is actually more effective than any other measure - but you can't open all the theatre doors. Distancing reduces the dose that reaches you from the nearby people - as the virus disperses as it moves through the air.
The problem is they don't yet know what the new virus variant does - if its more infectious the same amount reaching you through the mask or by crossing the distancing gap can do you more harm. And its not clear what protection the vaccines each give, or what previous infection gives yet. The data on if its more lethal isn't clear yet either. And if locally is a guide, the higher percentage you have of non vaccinated people, the more likely you are to get an outbreak . Currently London has both more young unvaccinated people and more in groups with a low take up. And what London gets, the bottom half of the country tends to get soon after - so its rather important not to let it gain a hold in London again.
The sensible thing to do would seem to be to wait 2-4 weeks and complete most adult vaccination, get the 20 somethings vaccinated at least once and make a start on the teenagers. And by then they might actually know more about what they are fighting, The danger is this might otherwise prove more lethal or just pick off the unvaccinated, the unlucky vaccinated, the people who can't be vaccinated, and the groups that rejected vaccination. And that would inturn blow apart any plans we have for getting the NHS to catch up on the year's work it hasn't done. With Starmer and some scientists pushing caution, the politically sensible thing to do is to opt for caution and leave theatres to continue on current terms for now - which seem to work ok for many of them. The alternative would really need compulsory PCR testing which might be impractical, and you would still be exposed the moment you left the theatre.
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Post by kathryn on Jun 10, 2021 6:51:43 GMT
Is there any published evidence of people getting Covid from attending an event in the theatre? We had that short period in August, then before Christmas and there have been some shows in the past few weeks but I've seen nothing to suggest that people are catching it whilst there. Probably more chance on the public transport getting there and back. Theatres were socially distanced back in August, at the very least. Regent’s Park was socially distanced, open air and masked. And the new variants are much more transmissible than the strain that was circulating in the summer. If we still just had the summer variant we’d be home and dry already. I don’t entirely trust the data on whether transmission has happened in certain places because track and trace has not been reliable.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 10, 2021 9:24:39 GMT
ATG have suspended performances until 26th June. I have seven Austentatious shows that have been rescheduled to November and December!
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Post by theatreian on Jun 10, 2021 13:52:14 GMT
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 10, 2021 14:00:30 GMT
I want to see the how they will deal with people who take them off mid show, or even just after the lights go down. Sonething like this only works if it's 100% compliance.
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Post by HereForTheatre on Jun 10, 2021 14:01:17 GMT
I wonder when facemasks wouldn't be required though? I had my first experience wearing one at the Theatre yesterday and it was fine but it can't go on forever, at some point we've got to be allowed to no longer wear them. Once everyone has had a first vaccine?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2021 14:23:18 GMT
"A major study at University College London has used laser technology to measure the impact of face coverings in helping to mitigate risks of Covid."
If they could use the lasers to evaporate anyone who doesn't comply that would be great.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 10, 2021 14:36:51 GMT
I wonder when facemasks wouldn't be required though? I had my first experience wearing one at the Theatre yesterday and it was fine but it can't go on forever, at some point we've got to be allowed to no longer wear them. Once everyone has had a first vaccine? When everyone has had, or has at least been offered, both jabs would be my guess.
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Post by alece10 on Jun 12, 2021 17:25:41 GMT
So with it looking more likely there will be a further delay of lifting restrictions do people think that shows due to open will hold back or open as planned with social distancing? I guess they would have to move people around the theatre if not sold out or cancel people. Is it easier to just delay again or go ahead with reduced capacity? In the 4 week period from 21st June I have got 2 Joseph's, Cinderella and Chichester.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 12, 2021 23:15:50 GMT
Our Government's attitude to theatre summed up in two tweets:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 7:04:06 GMT
So with it looking more likely there will be a further delay of lifting restrictions do people think that shows due to open will hold back or open as planned with social distancing? I guess they would have to move people around the theatre if not sold out or cancel people. Is it easier to just delay again or go ahead with reduced capacity? In the 4 week period from 21st June I have got 2 Joseph's, Cinderella and Chichester. They'll either hold back or cancel straight up I think. It'll just be devastating for hundreds of businesses and thousands of jobs.
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Post by LaLuPone on Jun 14, 2021 18:16:57 GMT
Les Mis confirmed to continue playing with social distancing into July, I’m sure Six, Jamie and the rest of the Nimax shows will be doing the same. Hairspray opening as scheduled because they’d sold it as socially distanced for the first month anyway. Heathers on the other hand have posted on Instagram that they’re unsure what the next step will be following tonight’s announcement so I guess they’d sold the show at full capacity.
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Post by Mark on Jun 14, 2021 18:35:13 GMT
I recon they should be able to go ahead here. The upper circle was never on sale and the sales were low anyhow.
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Post by jaqs on Jun 14, 2021 18:50:02 GMT
Cinderella have sent out a similar ‘we don’t know yet’ message. Which I appreciate to be honest.
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 14, 2021 19:19:07 GMT
I am very impressed by how quickly The Comedy Store got in touch to say everything until the 22nd July is cancelled, no qualms refunds, exchanges or credit.
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Post by Jon on Jun 15, 2021 18:58:22 GMT
It's interesting that the theatres companies in the subsidised sector have not commented on the delay but I suppose they've got the CRF money to cushion them whereas the commercial sector with a few exceptions hasn't.
Aside from Cinderella, I wouldn't be surprised if Chichester is one of the theatres chosen for the pilot.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jun 16, 2021 6:11:41 GMT
Judging bt the usual Chi audience most of them will of had a jab back in the winter
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Post by viserys on Jun 17, 2021 6:03:09 GMT
I don't think this has been mentioned anywhere on this forum yet, but: www.backstage.com/magazine/article/bruce-springsteen-on-broadway-to-require-audiences-be-vaccinated-73446/According to this and many other reports, mostly from Canadian newspapers (behind paywalls): "Audiences need to be fully vaccinated, meaning two weeks after the Johnson & Johnson vaccine or two weeks after the final dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. The show is only accepting the three vaccines approved by FDA (a disappointment for any Springsteen fans that have the Astrazeneca vaccine)." So, since AstraZeneca is not FDA approved, I assume this would exclude most British and many European musical fans from attending Broadway shows even when travel to the US becomes possible again...
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 17, 2021 7:34:44 GMT
I have no problem with that. I will never understand why those who selfishly refuse to get vaccinated expect to have the same rights as the millions who are doing their bit to get us through this awful time. And yes, yes I KNOW there are some who really can't get vaccinated, but they make up such a tiny minority.
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Post by viserys on Jun 17, 2021 7:38:40 GMT
I have no problem with that. I will never understand why those who selfishly refuse to get vaccinated expect to have the same rights as the millions who are doing their bit to get us through this awful time. And yes, yes I KNOW there are some who really can't get vaccinated, but they make up such a tiny minority. Yes, but people ARE doing their bit by getting vaccinated with AstraZeneca and still can't get into Broadway theatres (and possibly ANY theatres/venues in the USA) because that particular vaccine isn't FDA-approved. Which kinda makes sense (over here we haven't approved Sputnik or Sinopharm, so don't accept vaccinations with those either) but still a bit cruel. I got Biontech/Pfizer, but people close to me got AZ, so if we'd go to New York again, it would mean, I have to go to the theatre alone...
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Post by southstreet on Jun 17, 2021 8:36:18 GMT
I hope this one is an exception to the rule, as far as I know other Broadway shows haven't announced the requirement for being vaccinated yet. But it brings up a very interesting issue, which I hadn't considered previously, about there potentially being a hierarchy of vaccines and just being vaccinated not being enough, but needing to be vaccinated with certain vaccines for certain activities/countries. I really hope they will sort that out because that would be hideous.
I had AZ and the vast majority of my friends have, too. I seriously doubt though that the US (and other places) will want to close to the door to big portions of European tourists (and from other countries that use AZ like Canada), just because AZ isn't approved (yet?) in their country. Definitely one to keep an eye on because I am planning a two week trip to NYC for October with a fellow AZ-vaccinated person.
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Post by Dawnstar on Jun 17, 2021 11:27:33 GMT
As if I wasn't depressed enough about having been given AstraZeneca rather than Pfizer (despite being under 40 I didn't get a choice in the matter due to circumstances). Not that I'll be going to America, but it's another indication that AstraZeneca is an inferior vaccine.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Jun 17, 2021 11:56:19 GMT
AZ is not inferior. There was just more media coverage around it than the others, which have similar side effects, just not much publicity about that. Not being approved in the US because of safety concerns doesn't make the vaccination less valid. We are for the first time in this kind of situation, things are bumpy at the beginning, everything will be worked out.
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Post by firefingers on Jun 17, 2021 14:04:30 GMT
The FDA may not approve AZ for its own citizens, and their may be political reasons for that, but they may well approve it for tourists are its problem is the very small blood clot risk not its efficacy.
Though worst comes to worst you'll have to spend £50 on a private J&J jab. Annoying but when added to a week's holiday in NYC it's not insurmountable.
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