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Post by Roxie on May 19, 2021 21:22:25 GMT
Yes, but those younger people are also in the group who are very unlikely to suffer from serious effects or death. At which point it becomes comparable to pretty much any daily risk we take when we leave the house. I think I’m more at risk of dieing in a car accident than from Covid. (Especially since I got a turbo!!) literally everything in life has a risk. I’m currently eating peanut m&ms - I could choke!! I’ve developed a habit of walking down the stairs while looking at my phone, i could break my neck! The list goes on and on! At some point we’ve just gotta get on with things!
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Post by sph on May 19, 2021 21:25:36 GMT
That's it exactly, Our main concern throughout covid has been the elderly and vulnerable, who have pretty much all been offered the vaccine, everyone else is in a relatively safe category where the risk is manageable and comparable to the ones we take daily anyway.
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Post by Dr Tom on May 19, 2021 21:39:17 GMT
Let's remember that the main reason for masks and other safety measures is not to protect you. It's to protect other people.
You can be a carrier even if you have been vaccinated.
Having been to the theatre twice this week, the people who take their masks off/down when they think no one is looking are being incredibly selfish.
I am fairly sure that my (unpleasant) brush with Covid-19 last year came from someone sat behind me at a show spending the evening coughing, having ignored the requests to stay home (contracting this the weekend before lockdown came in, although the effects took a few days to kick in).
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Post by zahidf on May 25, 2021 10:34:41 GMT
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Post by Mark on May 25, 2021 12:55:01 GMT
Zero excuse not to have a full reopening with those figures! Such a tiny number and not even any evidence they were picked up or transmitted at the events.
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Post by lynette on May 25, 2021 16:12:33 GMT
This is good news but remember it is in the context of a steadily decreasing number of cases because of the measures in place until now over the winter and early Spring plus many people still not going out and about and a heightened awareness of hygienic and personal contact. All those who attended the concerts were aware of the experiment and were careful I am sure to ‘follow the rules’ because of their special status. This would not be be the case say down the line in a few months nor when the winter bugs come along etc etc. I’m not being miserable but just realistic. When people have a focus on them they behave differently. Well known. But very reassuring to be starting off as it were, from this low level of infection.
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Post by marob on May 25, 2021 16:18:51 GMT
This is good news but remember it is in the context of a steadily decreasing number of cases because of the measures in place until now over the winter and early Spring plus many people still not going out and about and a heightened awareness of hygienic and personal contact. All those who attended the concerts were aware of the experiment and were careful I am sure to ‘follow the rules’ because of their special status. This would not be be the case say down the line in a few months nor when the winter bugs come along etc etc. I’m not being miserable but just realistic. When people have a focus on them they behave differently. Well known. But very reassuring to be starting off as it were, from this low level of infection. Factoring in the apparent return of some sort of local lockdown as well, I’m starting to feel a lot less optimistic about this reopening than I was a couple of weeks ago. Can’t help wondering if things are starting to go pear-shaped again.
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Post by Mark on May 25, 2021 16:45:29 GMT
This is good news but remember it is in the context of a steadily decreasing number of cases because of the measures in place until now over the winter and early Spring plus many people still not going out and about and a heightened awareness of hygienic and personal contact. All those who attended the concerts were aware of the experiment and were careful I am sure to ‘follow the rules’ because of their special status. This would not be be the case say down the line in a few months nor when the winter bugs come along etc etc. I’m not being miserable but just realistic. When people have a focus on them they behave differently. Well known. But very reassuring to be starting off as it were, from this low level of infection. There’s always winter bugs and illness, but we just can’t keep away from mass events for yet another winter. The testing identified 5 people in Liverpool who were positive before the events and stopped them attending from attending. All evidence is pointing to increased illness and infection rates for those not vaccinated. Once everyone’s been offered it then no reason to have to reimpose unless it begins to start making those vaccinated severely ill.
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Post by Mark on May 30, 2021 16:15:27 GMT
Wonder if there are some trial performances happening at Phantom. Some performances showing "sold out" Sunday 6th June, Monday 7th June, Sat 12th June and again 23rd/24th June (on the LW theatres websites where you can see all shows).
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Post by talkingheads on May 31, 2021 10:24:47 GMT
Apparently plans for Covid passports are to be dropped. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I was against them if they came in before everybody was vaccinated, but I have no qualms in saying that people who are purposefully not being vaccinated (that is choosing not to have the vaccine, not those who can't have it for medical reasons) shouldn't be entitled to mix with those of us who are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated.
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Post by Mark on May 31, 2021 10:29:27 GMT
Apparently plans for Covid passports are to be dropped. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I was against them if they came in before everybody was vaccinated, but I have no qualms in saying that people who are purposefully not being vaccinated (that is choosing not to have the vaccine, not those who can't have it for medical reasons) shouldn't be entitled to mix with those of us who are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated. If the June 21st date does get delayed then it's a shame these couldn't have been put in instead of delaying the exit route out of lockdown.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on May 31, 2021 12:22:35 GMT
Told you that idea would never fly.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 16:24:18 GMT
Told you that idea would never fly. The government is far too willing to pander to selfish idiots. There is no logical reason for not having vaccine passports provided there is a robust enough system for people who are actually entitled to exemptions on medical grounds to prove that (which has to be via a GP or consultant to avoid it being abused).
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Post by talkingheads on May 31, 2021 18:43:41 GMT
If there isn't some system to identify the unvaccinated from the vaccinated, surely that's a recipe for disaster? I would be able to relax much more in a theatre knowing that all around me were vaccinated. Why should selfish people trapped in their own myopic little world be entitled to the same benefits as those of us who are vaccinated?
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Post by sph on May 31, 2021 21:04:39 GMT
I suppose there's nothing we can do there. If people choose not to be vaccinated then that's their risk that they're taking themselves. We'll just have to all try to get on with our lives and leave that (hopefully only) minority to it.
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Post by theatreian on May 31, 2021 21:27:49 GMT
If people choose not to be vaccinated then that's their risk that they're taking themselves It's not as simple as that as they can still carry the virus and transmit it. The Indian variant or other unknown variants can still get to vaccinated people as the vaccines are only at their most effective when everyone is vaccinated. On a separate issue most of the UK cruises are insisting on passengers being double vaccinated which I totally agree with. I think it would be wise to delay slightly the final stage of the roadmap until more are vaccinated.
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Post by stevej678 on May 31, 2021 21:45:19 GMT
I think it would be wise to delay slightly the final stage of the roadmap until more are vaccinated. There seems to be increasing consensus among the Government's scientific advisors that the final stage of the roadmap should be delayed for a few weeks. The caution of productions that delayed their return for non-socially-distanced audiences until late July appears increasingly well judged. Quite where that leaves the likes of Cinderella, Heathers, Joseph and Be More Chill, goodness knows!
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Post by sph on May 31, 2021 22:22:04 GMT
If people choose not to be vaccinated then that's their risk that they're taking themselves It's not as simple as that as they can still carry the virus and transmit it. The Indian variant or other unknown variants can still get to vaccinated people as the vaccines are only at their most effective when everyone is vaccinated. On a separate issue most of the UK cruises are insisting on passengers being double vaccinated which I totally agree with. I think it would be wise to delay slightly the final stage of the roadmap until more are vaccinated. And so they SHOULD get vaccinated, but what can we do? We can't force them. And we're not sure if vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus yet either. And in theory, if they're spreading it to vaccinated people, it doesn't matter as much. And if they're spreading it to the unvaccinated, well again, that's their own risk. I can't see any other way of approaching it.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 23:39:57 GMT
It's not as simple as that as they can still carry the virus and transmit it. The Indian variant or other unknown variants can still get to vaccinated people as the vaccines are only at their most effective when everyone is vaccinated. On a separate issue most of the UK cruises are insisting on passengers being double vaccinated which I totally agree with. I think it would be wise to delay slightly the final stage of the roadmap until more are vaccinated. And so they SHOULD get vaccinated, but what can we do? We can't force them. And we're not sure if vaccinated people can carry and spread the virus yet either. And in theory, if they're spreading it to vaccinated people, it doesn't matter as much. And if they're spreading it to the unvaccinated, well again, that's their own risk. I can't see any other way of approaching it. We can ban people who haven't been vaccinated (or don't have a legitimate medical exemption) from any event where by its nature people will be in close proximity, once a vaccine has been offered to all age groups. So likely from September taking account of the need for two doses. That really wouldn't be difficult and no doubt it would lead to a rush of people suddenly deciding they have no issue with getting a vaccine after all... But of course our spineless government won't do that. Whether individual organisations beyond cruise ships will is another thing entirely - the general expectation on Broadway is that it is going to be "no vaccine, no entry", as it should be.
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Post by sph on May 31, 2021 23:45:23 GMT
I wouldn't mind if unvaccinated people were banned from such spaces, but if it's not going to happen there's no point in letting them hold us back, if you get what I mean.
On a slightly different note, I am becoming more and more concerned about the murmurs of a third wave due to the Indian variant. I could live with them postponing the June 21st openings (although I hope it goes ahead as planned), I just don't think I could bear a step BACKWARDS in terms of restrictions being lifted.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 3, 2021 17:55:03 GMT
I hear ALW is planning to sue the government if theatres don’t fully open on 21st June. Article in the Daily Mail with him stood next to CHF in an orange sun dress thank you!
Good luck with that Andy!
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 4, 2021 6:22:56 GMT
I hear ALW is planning to sue the government if theatres don’t fully open on 21st June. Article in the Daily Mail with him stood next to CHF in an orange sun dress thank you! Good luck with that Andy! I'm sure the virus is quaking in it's boots! It just doesn't understand the grief it's caused to billionaires does it?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jun 4, 2021 6:28:35 GMT
If he was to successfully sue the government and win financial damages, I wonder where he thinks the money would be coming from?
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Post by talkingheads on Jun 4, 2021 7:28:50 GMT
If he was to successfully sue the government and win financial damages, I wonder where he thinks the money would be coming from? Surely him being successful would open the floodgates of every business affected bring able to sue too? No way on Earth he wins.
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Post by properjob on Jun 4, 2021 16:56:18 GMT
I think that the legal action is not to sue for lost earnings but a judical review of the legality of insisting on extra distancing regulations for theatres that were taking the other precautions.
If he were to win he would persumably get his legal costs but he (and anyone else) would be allowed to operate theatres at full capacity.
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