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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 11, 2020 13:26:39 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage? The banana thing was a spur of the moment, slightly misguided quirky attempt to brighten some peoples day. I’m not sure how else Harry would spread the word across the commonwealth? A podcast? A q&a on his insta? The world has moved on from stiff upper lip, cardboard cut out figureheads. None of which are words usually associated with the Royal Family, therefore controversial and destined to make the news. As for Harry and the flying, to make speeches about reducing the number of flights we take, and to then take a private jet appeared to be hypocritical and highly newsworthy. The flack continued until he admitted in a tv interview that he wasn’t perfect, that we can all do better and was then very publicly seen taking an easyJet flight. After that, it was no longer a story in the channels I get news from.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
So there’s a clip going around where Harry was caught telling the Disney CEO that Meghan was available for roles. Back in July, at the Lion King premiere. It’s rather cringe to be honest, rather Fergie/Andrew level. But this step back appears to have been planned for ages.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 11, 2020 19:18:52 GMT
Meghan gave birth in May 2019 in a dismal summer , weather wise
she witnessed June... the wettest june on record and probably thought back to California and all that sunshine and blue skies and thought...
first chance and Im outta here....
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Post by danb on Jan 11, 2020 22:14:45 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess.
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Post by theatreian on Jan 11, 2020 22:33:35 GMT
It just seems the whole situation is far more complex than the couple may have realised, hence the mistake in rushing their announcement until more detailed discussions had taken place. Hopefully some compromise from all sides can see a satisfactory conclusion to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 22:34:06 GMT
No of course not. And you dont need to as its Meghan and Harry's own actions and words that people can clearly see. Plus as one royal correspondent said, the couple themselves have ended up confirming a lot of what the press was reporting anyway. in their documentary that was meant to be about the people of Africa, they themselves as good as confirmed the strained relations with his family.
Ironically they are doing exactly what Diana did wrong, thinking they are above criticism and trying to use the press to only report the good or get their side across via third parties. When they are called out for being hypocritical or going about things the wrong way they dont like it.
The more that is coming to light the more obvious that this has been planned for a long time and they never intended to do royal duties anyway. This should have all been sorted behind closed doors then announced when everything was in place.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 12, 2020 0:49:40 GMT
The banana thing and Harry’s flying habits both made tv and radio news. Are you saying those stories didn’t merit the coverage? Harry’s mentioned climate change like twice and flew to France. Meghan I don’t recall ever talking about climate change. William and Kate have made climate change one of their pet causes and won awards for it, but they travel by private jet far more and to way more far flung locations, William even gave a lecture on the dangers of overpopulation while expecting his third child! The Queen gifted them their own helicopter, and they have a regular arrangement with the Duke of Westminster’s private jet. Not to mention having two empty planes flown across the country for a PR stunt. By any objective standards they are x10 times bigger hypocrites when it comes to climate change, yet the press don’t say a word about it. Ditto the huge fuss the press made about Frogmore (and the tabloids admitting to making up loads of lies about that) while William and Kate have spent insane amounts of money on things like moving their tennis court 36ft so it would have a nicer view, ripping out an unused kitchen, or redecorating her parents’ house using royal funds on the grounds William spent time there so it was a valid security issue, again not a word of criticism. Many of the minor royals live rent-free in royal residences (including Zara and even Sarah Ferguson!), no one says a word even though they are not working royals. Harry and Meghan do large numbers of engagements and charity work yet get slammed for not paying rent? The press made a big deal out of a handful of Sussex staffers quitting (even though one of them “quit” to take up a promotion as Meghan’s secretary, and one had simply delayed a retirement announced pre-Meghan to help her settle in) and used it to falsely claim there was a huge staff exodus and proof Meghan is a nightmare. But far more staff have left the Cambridge household over the past two years, including two who left under dodgy circumstances, almost no media coverage. Heck go back to the wedding, Meghan got trashed for burning scented candles because the church smelled musty, but Kate did literally exactly the same thing at her wedding. There’s a consistent history of Meghan being roundly attacked by a tabloid press desperate to spark outrage for things all the other royals do without anyone raising an eyebrow, often with almost no media coverage at all. The stuff the press aren’t printing about William makes Harry and Meghan’s drama look like toddlers fighting in a sandpit. They don’t get an easy ride because they’re boring and well-behaved, but because of other agendas.
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Post by duncan on Jan 12, 2020 1:18:13 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. No. But people who sneer at the cultural habits of others really are the pits.
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Post by danb on Jan 12, 2020 7:10:30 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. No. But people who sneer at the cultural habits of others really are the pits. 🙋♂️
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Post by Someone in a tree on Jan 12, 2020 9:18:45 GMT
Hit them where it hurts!
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Post by danb on Jan 12, 2020 9:27:46 GMT
Hit them where it hurts! I hope you're not sneering at the cultural habit of using instagram as a method of expressing dissatisfaction there SIAT? Because we know that that actually IS the highest form of intelligence. 🤦♂️
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2020 10:06:35 GMT
Family in crisis! Queen summons son and grandsons to palace for talks.
😯 👑
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 10:08:45 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember.............
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 12, 2020 10:17:55 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember............. Well, going back over 20 years then, yes she made that mistake and she got annihilated for it by the press. You reinforce my point.
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Post by samuelwhiskers on Jan 12, 2020 10:37:21 GMT
While ignoring all of mine...
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Post by Dave25 on Jan 12, 2020 10:43:56 GMT
In most other countries it is very common for siblings of the heir to the throne to do whatever they want and often people do not even really know what they look like as they are not often in the media and press. Some of them work in home rental industry, others work in car companies, hotels, PR, one even was a singer. So it's all relative.
I think it's the British press that makes the only difference. Also, in the eyes of the world Brexit is isolating the country in a way. Meghan is a hard working, passionate, self-made woman. Harry has always been a rebel. They want and need to be free. Not isolated. They are less limited in their world views than some people would like them to be. They want to do much more in life.
They don't want their kid to (only) grow up in the UK in its current state. I can't really blame them. Isolation and indoctrination is never the solution to anything. It's based on fear.
If I was the queen I would support them and understand that my identity is not based on my function and that personal growth and happiness is always above that.
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Post by edi on Jan 12, 2020 12:28:38 GMT
Trust you @cardinal Pirelli. These privileged people are irrelevant to many people Aren’t you saying that people are not focussing on what matters? Doing away with the Royals would help nobody financially in this country, quite possibly even reducing income though tourism etc. It’s a sideshow. I seriously believe most people outside of the UK (or commonwealth) don't care that much about the UK royal family and they would come to see England as tourists regardless. I am from an European country and I wasn't even aware of the royal family until I moved here. Just the same way as most British people don't care about other countries' royal family. It might be different for common wealth countries but I still don't think anyone visits the UK because of the royals.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 20:47:56 GMT
Do people really believe everything they’re fed by the tabloid press and peoples publicists? It would account for the popularity of ‘Love Island’ I guess. As long as at reinforced their prejudices, yes, sadly.
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 21:03:33 GMT
This self important and privileged couple, same as Andrew, are irrelevant to many in this country who are simply struggling. It’ll be interesting to see how they get by without taking money from the public or the royal family . It will be interesting, indeed. Potentially very positive, too, in the long term. Some people do appear to have very short memories (it was only a few years ago that the press were calling William ‘work-shy Will’ and Kate a ‘social climber’) the relationship between the Royals and the press has been dysfunctional for a very long time. Shaking up how the press are managed to enforce some basic journalistic standards and take some of the sensationalism and distortion out of coverage could help a lot - not least by creating space for the valid and serious criticism that gets swept aside by the soap opera stuff.
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Post by londonpostie on Jan 12, 2020 21:10:44 GMT
I seriously believe most people outside of the UK (or commonwealth) don't care that much about the UK royal family and they would come to see England as tourists regardless. The financial argument doesn't seem too helpful becasue a democracy needs a Head of State anyway - separation of powers between elected politicians and another office. If you don't separate you can end up a basket case i.e. the USA. So you still have to fund the office of the Head.
tbh, it's a fairly spurious argument imo, it's the 6th largest economy in the world. The quality of democracy is not something we need to skimp on.
Plus the Queen is also the Head of State of 15 other countries, inc. Australia, Canada, NZ, etc. So they would care.
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Jan 12, 2020 21:29:23 GMT
If the royals didn’t do stupid things there would be no grievances to spread though would there? You don’t see hate or grievances spread about The Queen because she never does anything remotely controversial. Not lowering the flag to half mast when Diana died? Half the country where baying for her blood back then I seem to remember............. Voted for Brexit. Oh no that was just 48% and we are leaving that issue now
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Post by kathryn on Jan 12, 2020 21:33:16 GMT
Yes, all of those historic buildings and all that art that attracts the tourists would need to have their upkeep paid for regardless of whether they were actually being used as residencies for real people or not. And they would still need security because of the valuables. That wouldn’t go away even if we became a Republic.
I remember when the tabloids had a bee in their bonnet about Princess Michael of Kent being allowed to live in a grace and favour apartment in Kensington Palace rent free and the sums they kept quoting of how much she wasn’t paying. And I was like, hang on, it’s not like apartments in Kensington Palace would ever be placed on the market for commercial rental, or would ever be sold - can you imagine the outcry?! - so where on Earth are they getting the figures from? If they weren’t being used as residencies they’d be empty, or they’d be used as offices, maybe - they certainly wouldn’t be generating the amount of money the papers were claiming she was not having to pay. It was a total nonsense.
Eventually the Palace gave in and started paying some form of rent for the apartment on the couple’s behalf, because as far as the Queen was concerned she had given them it as a wedding gift and intended to honour it. It must be some kind of weird financial fudge though - the Queen personally paying money to The Crown Estate, which then pays the SG back to her. What a palaver - and all to keep the tabloids happy.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 13, 2020 1:16:01 GMT
It’s clear that Meghan was willing to wear demure clothing, stand by her man, smile a permanent rictus smile and go to town halls and drop in centres and hospitals to make appearances. What I am sure she didn’t realise is that she would be hounded and insulted for weeks on end in the international press for wearing a one shoulder dress, her security asking the public not to take pictures of her watching sport, cradling a baby bump and eating avocados. After all, when Kate Middleton did all those things - ALL THOSE THINGS - and she was praised for being respectively chic and stylish, carefully of her privacy, an excited future mother and a healthy eater. When Kate did them she was respectfully was accused of wearing a cheap and overtly sexual dress, being so arrogant to assume people would want her picture anyway, showing off her stomach like a Kardashian posing for social media and causing international deaths with her favourite snack. Even given her pregnancy and maternity leave, she has done a lot appearances and charitable work as expected. And if you consider William’s statement in The Times: “I’ve put my arm around my brother all our lives and I can’t do that any more; we’re separate entities,” he told a friend. And that’s Meghan’s fault. Then maybe William and the rest of the Royal Family shouldn’t leak stories about Harry and Meghan to distract from William’s own adultery rumours, or Andrew’s latest sex trafficking story, or Philip’s driving and all the rest of it. Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. What Morgan and the rest are annoyed about is that Harry is choosing to be a good husband and father. Read more: theatreboard.co.uk/thread/7540/prince-harry-meghan?page=8#ixzz6Arw19kHK
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 13, 2020 17:11:22 GMT
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 13, 2020 17:18:02 GMT
Yet if you follow Piers Morgan’s twitter feed, whilst accusing everyone who disagrees with him with fat-right dog-whistles like “virtue signaller”, “woke”, “PC”, along with the more ordinary jones of “obsessed”, “vulgar” and “abusive, hysterical, whiny, self-righteous, comically ill-informed piece”. This coming from a man who has sent l over 150 tweets and retweets since the Instagram post. It’s very interest to note that he claims his photograph with Ghislaine Maxwell was a one off during a single party. Where as his single beer with Meghan has him acting like a spurned lover. Most people are not following anyone on Twitter, let alone Piers Morgan’s twitter feed. Are you? This brings up the question of why people who are denouncing that this or that publication as being terrible are still reading it and more importantly publicising it. That’s the “spreading cancer’ referred to earlier isn’t it?
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Post by vdcni on Jan 13, 2020 18:19:16 GMT
Even if you don't follow or spread it you still see this stuff on Twitter. Though often people tend to screen shot it to limit its impact.
That said I think at last people have realised the best response is to just block these people since the controversy is mostly the point. I rarely see Katie Hopkins stuff these days for example but Piers Morgan hasn't tipped outside the mainstream in the same way.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 13, 2020 19:09:16 GMT
HRH must still be furious with Harry for making this public the way he did last wed
He has created this media storm when this matters could have been discussed discreetly behind closed doors
Harry is very very niave and foolish
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Post by Cardinal Pirelli on Jan 13, 2020 20:01:25 GMT
HRH must still be furious with Harry for making this public the way he did last wed He has created this media storm when this matters could have been discussed discreetly behind closed doors Harry is very very niave and foolish As the press had Harry's plans leaked to them (The Sun, surprise, surprise), it was either let them do it or pre-empt them. Again, and I repeat. This was the tabloids that caused this.
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Post by lynette on Jan 13, 2020 22:08:36 GMT
Going out on a limb here but Meghan and Harry are doing the Royal Family and us all a real favour. Strip the Royals down to the direct line for ceremonials and symbolic purposes, all good for tourists etc. Then the rest of them can do what other ‘royals’ in Europe do, that is live normal lives and get pulled in for the ribbon cutting. The biggest favour anyone can do for the Royal family is rescue them from this unhealthy obsession our media has [and some foreign media] and give those little kids a chance of a proper life, a career, privacy and fulfilment as they see it. George is direct line and poor kid, doomed to the role but let all the rest be free.
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Post by starofwonder on Jan 13, 2020 22:46:57 GMT
Seeing how their mindset is right now, its surprising that only 1 and 1/2 years ago they had such a mega wedding .... televised and covered by the world's media and press...
Its a wonder Meghan did nt insist on a small , private wedding away from the glare of publicity
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