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Post by magnificentdonkey on Jun 21, 2021 23:40:38 GMT
the title song of 'Starlight Express' I didn't know, makes it FOUR then, not three! The other two are 'Aspects of Love' ('why can't you just count sheep? alright, you have your donkey, now will you go to sleep?') and 'The Woman in White' ('counting your English sheep?' - asks Fosco), although that's not in the lyrics, it's still mentioned in the libretto. But if does get a mention in 'The Wizard of Oz' as well, it must bring the total to five. Donkeys, monkeys/apes ('Phantom' and 'Sunset') and pigs are also somehow present in ALW's legacy. Can't think of any other such animals on the spot. |
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Post by singingbird on Jun 22, 2021 7:41:10 GMT
AMAZING spot! I had never noticed that, and I'm usually pretty good at these. Funny thing - I love Billy MacCaw, and I can't stand Next Time You Fall In Love. But - you're right - it's the same tune. I can't claim it - read it somewhere else; was a bit of a 'wow' to me as I would never have noticed, but there it was. I really like the fact, and it's a great one for composition students or an anecdote for a compilation show - how feel and time signature transform something. Billy McCaw in 3/4 or 6/8 and Next Time in 4/4. While we're spotting, I'll add: A single line of 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' is in JCS just before the words "You're a fool Jesus Christ'" in the trial. & 'Summer Day' from Jeeves is 'Another Suitcase..." "Summer Day, hark the sound of the plover" / "So what happens now, another suitcase in another hall" I find that JCS/Evita spot really interesting. Obviously, the melodic line immediately prior to the words "You're a fool Jesus Christ" is taken from Pilate's Dream ("I dreamed I met a Galilean") - it's Herod having a 'have I met you somewhere before?' moment. But, you're right. the shape of that melody definitely foreshadows Don't Cry For Me Argentina. There are plenty of examples of ALW using exactly the same melody a second time (and usually not even changing the time signature!), but a different thread could be about melodic lines that subconsciously mirror each other. Of course, all composers echo themselves all the time. It's inevitable, just as painters will create many works using similar these and motifs. |
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Post by anita on Jun 22, 2021 9:52:10 GMT
I'm still going on Friday too. Been moved from circle to side view in stalls but at least I'll be there.
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Post by max on Jun 22, 2021 10:35:06 GMT
I can't claim it - read it somewhere else; was a bit of a 'wow' to me as I would never have noticed, but there it was. I really like the fact, and it's a great one for composition students or an anecdote for a compilation show - how feel and time signature transform something. Billy McCaw in 3/4 or 6/8 and Next Time in 4/4. While we're spotting, I'll add: A single line of 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' is in JCS just before the words "You're a fool Jesus Christ'" in the trial. & 'Summer Day' from Jeeves is 'Another Suitcase..." "Summer Day, hark the sound of the plover" / "So what happens now, another suitcase in another hall" I find that JCS/Evita spot really interesting. Obviously, the melodic line immediately prior to the words "You're a fool Jesus Christ" is taken from Pilate's Dream ("I dreamed I met a Galilean") - it's Herod having a 'have I met you somewhere before?' moment. But, you're right. the shape of that melody definitely foreshadows Don't Cry For Me Argentina. There are plenty of examples of ALW using exactly the same melody a second time (and usually not even changing the time signature!), but a different thread could be about melodic lines that subconsciously mirror each other. Of course, all composers echo themselves all the time. It's inevitable, just as painters will create many works using similar these and motifs. |
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Post by max on Jun 22, 2021 10:42:39 GMT
I find that JCS/Evita spot really interesting. Obviously, the melodic line immediately prior to the words "You're a fool Jesus Christ" is taken from Pilate's Dream ("I dreamed I met a Galilean") - it's Herod having a 'have I met you somewhere before?' moment. But, you're right. the shape of that melody definitely foreshadows Don't Cry For Me Argentina. There are plenty of examples of ALW using exactly the same melody a second time (and usually not even changing the time signature!), but a different thread could be about melodic lines that subconsciously mirror each other. Of course, all composers echo themselves all the time. It's inevitable, just as painters will create many works using similar these and motifs. Oh Lord (LW) I feel daft not noticing it as 'Pilate's Dream', I only heard 'Don't Cry For Me...' due to the extra note added in to the 'Pilate's Dream' motif. All very fascinating. Yes, at his best, within shows it's that patterning and 'variations on the self' that are so strong. At it's worst I have heard an audience laugh/groan at too much leitmotif (a slightly different thing I know) when yet another character took the tune of 'Love Changes Everything'. (That was at Birmingham hippodrome) There's a lot that's good in 'Aspects Of Love' - the repeats of 'but I only have one life not too' are very affecting - but 'Love Changes Everything' is too obvious a tune to use in that way. |
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Post by singingbird on Jun 22, 2021 10:45:39 GMT
Oh Lord (LW) I feel daft not noticing it as 'Pilate's Dream', I only heard 'Don't Cry For Me...' due to the extra note added in to the 'Pilate's Dream' motif. All very fascinating. Yes, at his best, within shows it's that patterning and 'variations on the self' that are so strong. At it's worst I have heard an audience laugh/groan at too much leitmotif (a slightly different thing I know) when yet another character took the tune of 'Love Changes Everything'. (That was at Birmingham hippodrome) There's a lot that's good in 'Aspects Of Love' - the repeats of 'but I only have one life not too' are very affecting - but 'Love Changes Everything' is too obvious a tune to use in that way. Completely agree! |
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Post by max on Jun 22, 2021 10:47:04 GMT
the title song of 'Starlight Express' I didn't know, makes it FOUR then, not three! The other two are 'Aspects of Love' ('why can't you just count sheep? alright, you have your donkey, now will you go to sleep?') and 'The Woman in White' ('counting your English sheep?' - asks Fosco), although that's not in the lyrics, it's still mentioned in the libretto. But if does get a mention in 'The Wizard of Oz' as well, it must bring the total to five. Donkeys, monkeys/apes ('Phantom' and 'Sunset') and pigs are also somehow present in ALW's legacy. Can't think of any other such animals on the spot. Starlight - "and though you count every sheep, you get the feeling that sleep..." My animal was Chimpanzees! They're in the lyrics of: Tell Me On A Sunday Sunset Boulevard The Woman In White But I concede that sheep have won, lol. |
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Post by singingbird on Jun 22, 2021 11:24:21 GMT
I didn't know, makes it FOUR then, not three! The other two are 'Aspects of Love' ('why can't you just count sheep? alright, you have your donkey, now will you go to sleep?') and 'The Woman in White' ('counting your English sheep?' - asks Fosco), although that's not in the lyrics, it's still mentioned in the libretto. But if does get a mention in 'The Wizard of Oz' as well, it must bring the total to five. Donkeys, monkeys/apes ('Phantom' and 'Sunset') and pigs are also somehow present in ALW's legacy. Can't think of any other such animals on the spot. Starlight - "and though you count every sheep, you get the feeling that sleep..." My animal was Chimpanzees! They're in the lyrics of: Tell Me On A Sunday Sunset Boulevard The Woman In White But I concede that sheep have won, lol. Where are the chimpanzees in The Woman in White? I can't think! |
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Post by max on Jun 22, 2021 11:59:57 GMT
Starlight - "and though you count every sheep, you get the feeling that sleep..." My animal was Chimpanzees! They're in the lyrics of: Tell Me On A Sunday Sunset Boulevard The Woman In White But I concede that sheep have won, lol. Where are the chimpanzees in The Woman in White? I can't think! It's in 'Perspective' Marian: All my sketching soon will have you retching. I'm a notch below a chimpanzee. Laura: But we're highly trainable. Marian: We shall wait and see. |
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Post by singingbird on Jun 22, 2021 12:45:20 GMT
Where are the chimpanzees in The Woman in White? I can't think! It's in 'Perspective' Marian: All my sketching soon will have you retching. I'm a notch below a chimpanzee. Laura: But we're highly trainable. Marian: We shall wait and see. I'd forgotten that! |
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Post by inthenose on Jun 22, 2021 13:28:38 GMT
It's in 'Perspective' Marian: All my sketching soon will have you retching. I'm a notch below a chimpanzee. Laura: But we're highly trainable. Marian: We shall wait and see. I'd forgotten that! As had I. Gee, thanks for reminding me. |
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 22, 2021 23:22:40 GMT
Moved from Row M Stalls to Row C Dress Circle for Friday 25th. Given the overhang doesn’t start still Row P, we are not too happy and will be asking for a refund  I had the front row stalls centre seat for next Tuesday evening, now moved 10 seats further left into the side block but still front row. Slightly disappointed but would need to wait till August to retain the original seat. Only six performances a week currently bookable - no Monday or Wednesday evenings August to late October. However the Wednesday matinee is available. Wonder why ? |
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Post by danb on Jun 23, 2021 6:39:18 GMT
Maybe Weds evening is an alternate show for Carrie? Mondays are dark instead of Sunday.
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Post by FrontroverPaul on Jun 23, 2021 9:48:02 GMT
Maybe Weds evening is an alternate show for Carrie? Mondays are dark instead of Sunday. Could be. There's a standard 8 show schedule including Sunday and Monday from November. Cannot believe any West End show would have a weekday matinee but no evening performance the same day. |
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Post by fluxcapacitor on Jun 23, 2021 11:05:37 GMT
Reading between the lines of this article, it looks highly likely that Andrew Lloyd Webber was indeed the only theatre producer approached to take part in government trials over the next month: www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/government-confirms-new-pilot-events-stage_54329.htmlHardly surprising, but consistently disappointing how little effort the government has made with theatres even to the bitter end. Imagine the backlash had Cinderella gone ahead at full capacity with no other theatres or productions even considered. |
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Post by mjh on Jun 23, 2021 11:09:20 GMT
I'm booked for next Tuesday and haven't heard anything yet...has anyone heard for any dates next week yet?
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Post by Mark on Jun 23, 2021 11:57:54 GMT
I'm booked for next Tuesday and haven't heard anything yet...has anyone heard for any dates next week yet? Still nothing for Wednesday. |
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Post by raiseitup on Jun 23, 2021 15:44:15 GMT
I just got my new booking confirmation, still booked for next Wednesday, but no longer 'going to the ball', been moved back to the centre of row T in the stalls. A little disappointed to be so far back now but I did take advantage of the dynamic pricing when those front stalls seats were only £30 for early previews.
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Post by marob on Jun 23, 2021 15:53:15 GMT
Can they do that? They should swap like for like, shouldn’t they?
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Post by Jon on Jun 23, 2021 16:24:40 GMT
Reading between the lines of this article, it looks highly likely that Andrew Lloyd Webber was indeed the only theatre producer approached to take part in government trials over the next month: www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/government-confirms-new-pilot-events-stage_54329.htmlHardly surprising, but consistently disappointing how little effort the government has made with theatres even to the bitter end. Imagine the backlash had Cinderella gone ahead at full capacity with no other theatres or productions even considered. Might be a total coincidence but I notice that Hairspray has a non socially distanced performance on the 9th July which makes me think that perhaps the Coliseum and Hairspray has been chosen to be one of the ERP events. The fact that both Oliver Dowden and Caroline Dinenage have visited the theatre and show in recent days also is a factor. |
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Post by alwfan on Jun 23, 2021 16:45:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 17:26:02 GMT
I just got my new booking confirmation, still booked for next Wednesday, but no longer 'going to the ball', been moved back to the centre of row T in the stalls. A little disappointed to be so far back now but I did take advantage of the dynamic pricing when those front stalls seats were only £30 for early previews. Not going to the ball? Isnt everyone who book for the show going to the ball? |
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Post by FairyGodmother on Jun 23, 2021 17:47:58 GMT
Has anybody heard about their vinyls/CDs etc being delivered yet?
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Post by steve10086 on Jun 23, 2021 17:53:38 GMT
I just got my new booking confirmation, still booked for next Wednesday, but no longer 'going to the ball', been moved back to the centre of row T in the stalls. A little disappointed to be so far back now but I did take advantage of the dynamic pricing when those front stalls seats were only £30 for early previews. I assume you mean you’ll no longer “be moved in more ways than one”, or in other words, no longer on the moving platform. I’d say that’s a major change to a booking and I’m not sure I’ll accept that if they do the same with my tickets. |
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Post by theatrelover123 on Jun 23, 2021 18:01:04 GMT
It is a big old change to put you so far back. I paid £19.50 each for a pair of second row dynamically priced tickets on the 1st so I'm REALLY looking forward to where I end up (if anywhere or anywhen) particularly as the Ts and Cs say: Ticket holders only have a right to a seat of the value corresponding to that stated on the ticket and The Company reserves the right to provide alternative seats to those stated on a ticket. lwtheatres.co.uk/terms-conditions/ |
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