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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 18, 2021 20:44:18 GMT
Awwwww Killian isn’t average on toast 🙁
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Post by danb on Oct 18, 2021 21:23:30 GMT
They are ambassadors for the brand, in this case the show. If Killian Donnelly for instance worked in another industry, say a major high street store or an insurance company, and went online and publicly slagged off their customers, realistically he'd be looking at the sack - no matter whether his complaints were legitimate or not. It just reeks of unprofessionalism, this is why so many companies have social media policies in place. In the past if you wanted to have a moan, you'd do it in the pub with your mates after the show. But rushing home to *publicly* criticise the very people who have paid often HUNDREDS OF POUNDS to be there just smacks of entitlement and tone deafness. And I might as well add at this point, as I suspect there are some big egos involved for such little names, none of these performers have that much credibility anyway. These aren't multiple award winners, household names, superstars. It's not Michael Ball or Patti LuPone or Idina Menzel. It's Ivano Turco, making his professional stage debut. It's Killian Donnelly, who is the definition of average on toast. They're working actors who are jolly lucky to be playing lead roles at young ages in the West End. I suggest that they suck it up, do their job quietly, and if they want to deal with specific audience members, do it the same way it has always been done. Tell the SM, who tells FOH, who deal with it. Be a professional and do your job. But FOH, more often than not, don’ t deal with it sufficiently. They do what they can but it rarely stops it. They move quicker at people filming than they do for anti social yobs. |
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 18, 2021 21:38:14 GMT
They are ambassadors for the brand, in this case the show. If Killian Donnelly for instance worked in another industry, say a major high street store or an insurance company, and went online and publicly slagged off their customers, realistically he'd be looking at the sack - no matter whether his complaints were legitimate or not. It just reeks of unprofessionalism, this is why so many companies have social media policies in place. In the past if you wanted to have a moan, you'd do it in the pub with your mates after the show. But rushing home to *publicly* criticise the very people who have paid often HUNDREDS OF POUNDS to be there just smacks of entitlement and tone deafness. And I might as well add at this point, as I suspect there are some big egos involved for such little names, none of these performers have that much credibility anyway. These aren't multiple award winners, household names, superstars. It's not Michael Ball or Patti LuPone or Idina Menzel. It's Ivano Turco, making his professional stage debut. It's Killian Donnelly, who is the definition of average on toast. They're working actors who are jolly lucky to be playing lead roles at young ages in the West End. I suggest that they suck it up, do their job quietly, and if they want to deal with specific audience members, do it the same way it has always been done. Tell the SM, who tells FOH, who deal with it. Be a professional and do your job. But FOH, more often than not, don’ t deal with it sufficiently. They do what they can but it rarely stops it. They move quicker at people filming than they do for anti social yobs. It's often very difficult to work out where exactly a noise is coming from if you're sat behind the entire audience, especially with everyone in masks. If that person is in the middle of a row, it can be impossible to get to them without disrupting large numbers of perfectly rule-abiding audience members. There are universal hand gestures for 'stop filming/taking pictures', but telling someone to stop yelling out can't so easily be done from a distance. From the sounds of things, what Ivano was talking about happened right at the end of Cinderella, so it wouldn't have been worth disturbing lots of people to go and have words with the audience member shouting, when there were realistically very few minutes of the show left for them to interrupt. I don't think it's at all fair to blame to Gillian Lynne FoH here. There is really only so much they can do. And regardless of what they might try to do, they can't exactly undo the fact that the person has already spoiled a moment of the show and distracted the actors onstage. |
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Post by danb on Oct 19, 2021 5:01:50 GMT
I was speaking generally. There are some great FOH staff, and then there are those that mill about aimlessly distracting those sat on the periphery of the auditorium.
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Post by happytobehere on Oct 21, 2021 8:53:43 GMT
I saw this for the first time yesterday and I thought it was quite fun. Not my favourite think I’ve seen, but I liked it well enough.
The pros: great sets (I’ve never seen the stage move before so that was a cool moment for me), gorgeous costumes, men with strong thighs in tight shorts, Rebecca Trehearn and Victoria Hamilton-Barritt steal every scene they’re in, they made it gay at the end & I always love that, Georgina Onuorah was brilliant in the lead role.
The cons: I’m always happy when a performer I like is employed but I kinda feel like the talents of Laura Baldwin are wasted in this role, I didn’t enjoy Ivano Turco’s performance his choices seemed a bit too obvious or basic (I’m sure that’ll improve with more experience but he seemed like the weakest link in each scene), I’m starting to think ALW’s work just isn’t to my taste because most of the songs bored me. Also the theatre outside was pretty ugly but I can’t blame the production for that lol.
Liked it for the spectacle, but didn’t find myself connecting on any deeper level.
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Post by cezbear on Oct 21, 2021 9:08:46 GMT
I saw this for the first time yesterday and I thought it was quite fun. Not my favourite think I’ve seen, but I liked it well enough. The pros: great sets (I’ve never seen the stage move before so that was a cool moment for me), gorgeous costumes, men with strong thighs in tight shorts, Rebecca Trehearn and Victoria Hamilton-Barritt steal every scene they’re in, they made it gay at the end & I always love that, Georgina Onuorah was brilliant in the lead role. The cons: I’m always happy when a performer I like is employed but I kinda feel like the talents of Laura Baldwin are wasted in this role, I didn’t enjoy Ivan Turco’s performance his choices seemed a bit too obvious or basic (I’m sure that’ll improve with more experience but he seemed like the weakest link in each scene), I’m starting to think ALW’s work just isn’t to my taste because most of the songs bored me. Also the theatre outside was pretty ugly but I can’t blame the production for that lol. Liked it for the spectacle, but didn’t find myself connecting on any deeper level.
Glad you mostly enjoyed it, interesting to see different opinions... for me Ivano Turco was the stand out in every scene, I did very much like Georgina too though. I didn't know Laura Baldwin from anything else so going to google what she's done now.
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Post by happytobehere on Oct 21, 2021 9:47:56 GMT
I saw this for the first time yesterday and I thought it was quite fun. Not my favourite think I’ve seen, but I liked it well enough. The pros: great sets (I’ve never seen the stage move before so that was a cool moment for me), gorgeous costumes, men with strong thighs in tight shorts, Rebecca Trehearn and Victoria Hamilton-Barritt steal every scene they’re in, they made it gay at the end & I always love that, Georgina Onuorah was brilliant in the lead role. The cons: I’m always happy when a performer I like is employed but I kinda feel like the talents of Laura Baldwin are wasted in this role, I didn’t enjoy Ivan Turco’s performance his choices seemed a bit too obvious or basic (I’m sure that’ll improve with more experience but he seemed like the weakest link in each scene), I’m starting to think ALW’s work just isn’t to my taste because most of the songs bored me. Also the theatre outside was pretty ugly but I can’t blame the production for that lol. Liked it for the spectacle, but didn’t find myself connecting on any deeper level.
Glad you mostly enjoyed it, interesting to see different opinions... for me Ivano Turco was the stand out in every scene, I did very much like Georgina too though. I didn't know Laura Baldwin from anything else so going to google what she's done now.
Glad you enjoyed it too! Perhaps I caught Ivano on a rough day, or maybe his performance style just isn’t my cup of tea, either way there’s no disputing that he’s obviously very talented (especially that impressive dance sequence). |
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2021 9:57:06 GMT
The Honest Vocal Coach Reacts to Carrie at WEL (you can find it on YouTube) So Carrie REACTS (and then some) to the Honest Vocal Coach.   |
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Post by cezbear on Oct 21, 2021 9:59:34 GMT
Help, if CHF reacts to a coach reacting are we stuck in an eternal reaction loop? Will we ever get out again?
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Post by latefortheoverture on Oct 21, 2021 10:16:40 GMT
Went last night, and have mixed feelings on the whole affair.
Firstly I don’t think I’ve been to a more unhelpful box office. It was almost as if they didn’t want to sell me a seat. Kept trying to get me to purchase a £75 seat, when I explicitly said what my budget was. The tellers were talking amongst themselves during serving me and another one. Really quite rude.
The auditorium is nice, but the rest of the building is so depressing. Loads of steps with people slowly waddling up, majority lost
I think going with such low expectations helped me enjoy it. It was better than I expected but still not great. At times I was pleasantly surprised and at others I was in agreement with many here.
The score felt like two or three separate shows. It is like ALW didn’t know what he wanted to do; one minute it was luscious sweeping orchestral interludes, the next was all synth and click tracks. The party section at the end was almost Latin music. So confusing!! One or two nice songs, but the rest were instantly forgettable.
Ivano Turco was the weak link for me. He felt a bit miscast…. It seemed he sung every few lines in a different style. His role had good songs which I’m sure could sound even better with a different actor. His acting felt a little forced in places. I would be interested to see what his understudy’s like.
Victoria Hamilton Barritt gave a good performance but I just didn’t get the acting choices. Twangs of french, but most of the time sounded like Brian Badonde from Fonejacker. The step sisters were good, funny and very very under-utilised!! Rebecca Trehearn looked like she was having fun, in a silly role.
Carrie gets her star turn, and really does deliver. She sounded great and acted well I thought. It was nice to see her shine was the questionable material she had to work with.
The star of the show, without a doubt, is the act 2 opening with the revolve. It was the only thing I was really interested in seeing and it really was an amazing gimmick. I would return just to see that again. I wouldn’t have minded longer in the round, as I felt it was being done really well.
I think the show doesn’t know where it wants to be, at times it serious other parts it tries to be ‘edgy’- I think if they picked a side and rolled with it the end result could’ve been better. I’d be interested to see how this transfers to Broadway. If there’s any rewrites or how they’ll do the act 2 scenes. I do think the bones of a great show are there but as it stands it’s a little cloudy.
Overall I would see it again if I had to, but I’m in no rush to as it stands.
3.5 stars
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 21, 2021 10:20:51 GMT
The Honest Vocal Coach Reacts to Carrie at WEL (you can find it on YouTube) So Carrie REACTS (and then some) to the Honest Vocal Coach. Seems like incredibly poor form on behalf of this vocal coach to 'react' to a performance that has been taken off YouTube in an official capacity because of technical issues that affected the performer, leading to her giving what she fully admits is a far from ideal performance that has clearly caused her mental anguish. Carrie has every right to defend herself! |
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Post by happytobehere on Oct 21, 2021 10:29:42 GMT
Went last night, and have mixed feelings on the whole affair. Firstly I don’t think I’ve been to a more unhelpful box office. It was almost as if they didn’t want to sell me a seat. Kept trying to get me to purchase a £75 seat, when I explicitly said what my budget was. The tellers were talking amongst themselves during serving me and another one. Really quite rude. The auditorium is nice, but the rest of the building is so depressing. Loads of steps with people slowly waddling up, majority lost I think going with such low expectations helped me enjoy it. It was better than I expected but still not great. At times I was pleasantly surprised and at others I was in agreement with many here. The score felt like two or three separate shows. It is like ALW didn’t know what he wanted to do; one minute it was luscious sweeping orchestral interludes, the next was all synth and click tracks. The party section at the end was almost Latin music. So confusing!! One or two nice songs, but the rest were instantly forgettable. Ivano Turco was the weak link for me. He felt a bit miscast…. It seemed he sung every few lines in a different style. His role had good songs which I’m sure could sound even better with a different actor. His acting felt a little forced in places. I would be interested to see what his understudy’s like. Victoria Hamilton Barritt gave a good performance but I just didn’t get the acting choices. Twangs of french, but most of the time sounded like Brian Badonde from Fonejacker. The step sisters were good, funny and very very under-utilised!! Rebecca Trehearn looked like she was having fun, in a silly role. Carrie gets her star turn, and really does deliver. She sounded great and acted well I thought. It was nice to see her shine was the questionable material she had to work with. The star of the show, without a doubt, is the act 2 opening with the revolve. It was the only thing I was really interested in seeing and it really was an amazing gimmick. I would return just to see that again. I wouldn’t have minded longer in the round, as I felt it was being done really well. I think the show doesn’t know where it wants to be, at times it serious other parts it tries to be ‘edgy’- I think if they picked a side and rolled with it the end result could’ve been better. I’d be interested to see how this transfers to Broadway. If there’s any rewrites or how they’ll do the act 2 scenes. I do think the bones of a great show are there but as it stands it’s a little cloudy. Overall I would see it again if I had to, but I’m in no rush to as it stands. 3.5 stars I’m in complete agreement with you on everything here, especially the revolve being the highlight, it was so immersive & a special moment.. However, I quite enjoyed VHB’s acting choices for the Stepmother more than you seemed to lol. You hit the nail on the head with your final paragraph imo. I think the show would’ve been better if it had been more consistent in what it was trying to be. From lots of the dialogue & lyrics, it sounded like it wanted to be edgier, but then the music itself was quite contradictory & pretty like a Disney film song. |
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Post by inthenose on Oct 21, 2021 13:11:19 GMT
Oh, Carrie 🤣
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Post by danb on Oct 21, 2021 13:27:46 GMT
Fair play to her for replying. I don’t mind ‘Rebecca Vocal Athlete’ but all the others I’ve watched have been insufferably drippy or just plain mean. And this woman wants to impress the cool you tube kids whilst looking like the second music teacher at school. The one in charge of the recorder group that isn’t allowed near school productions. Her.
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Post by Someone in a tree on Oct 21, 2021 17:18:43 GMT
Reading all the praise for the revolve how would the show hold up without it?
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Post by latefortheoverture on Oct 21, 2021 18:02:45 GMT
Reading all the praise for the revolve how would the show hold up without it? I was thinking the same afterwards last night. It really is something, and I think without it I would have extremely bored. I’m so interested to see how this ends of up Broadway, as ALW said he’s wanting to go next year. Will they install a half hearted version in a more traditional theatre? Or go to somewhere like circle in the square? I really am intrigued. The production had really been made for the Gillian Lynnes arena style seating, and the machinery there! |
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 21, 2021 21:15:11 GMT
The Honest Vocal Coach Reacts to Carrie at WEL (you can find it on YouTube) So Carrie REACTS (and then some) to the Honest Vocal Coach. Carrie’s comment might’ve been there 11 hours ago but it’s gone now! I feel bad for her - going off key on stage must’ve been mortifying for her. But that’s a pretty long list of excuses from a professional. The lack of a revolve contributed? Really? How did Hamilton and Les Mis cope 🤔 Cinderella would have had exactly the same amount of time to restage at WEL as every other performer? I think sometimes you just have to step back and admit you’ve had a mare of a day/performance and move along. |
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Post by Oliver on Oct 21, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
The score felt like two or three separate shows. It is like ALW didn’t know what he wanted to do; one minute it was luscious sweeping orchestral interludes, the next was all synth and click tracks. The party section at the end was almost Latin music. So confusing!! One or two nice songs, but the rest were instantly forgettable. You've highlighted one of the show's great strengths; the variety of musical styles seamlessly interwoven. The "synth and click tracks" to which you refer concern the musical production, not the composition. There is no reason why you couldn't simply substitute those for acoustic instruments budget permitting. |
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Post by eggemann on Oct 21, 2021 21:33:43 GMT
Oh Carrie. YouTube comments is not the space you should be investing your energy into. It can’t be good for someone’s mental health either, especially when it seems apparent it’s thin skinned. I would just switch off from it (sounds like she watched the whole thing) and focus on this great opportunity you are working with.
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 21, 2021 21:36:23 GMT
You know a show is bad when the best thing is a revolve.
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Post by eggemann on Oct 21, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
I enjoyed the revolve. And the show in general. But now when I think about if it was to ever tour… would I care to see a touring production. Probably not.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 21, 2021 21:49:49 GMT
Oh Carrie. YouTube comments is not the space you should be investing your energy into. It can’t be good for someone’s mental health either, especially when it seems apparent it’s thin skinned. I would just switch off from it (sounds like she watched the whole thing) and focus on this great opportunity you are working with. She has a You Tube Channel and she has probably been tagged in this video or it has popped up on her feed. If someone does video about you, as much as you know you should probably not watch, I imagine it would be very hard not to. I don't know this woman's channel but she looks for vocal performances to rip apart? How tragic. |
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Post by Oliver on Oct 21, 2021 21:51:16 GMT
Carrie’s comment might’ve been there 11 hours ago but it’s gone now! I feel bad for her - going off key on stage must’ve been mortifying for her. But that’s a pretty long list of excuses from a professional. The lack of a revolve contributed? Really? How did Hamilton and Les Mis cope 🤔 Cinderella would have had exactly the same amount of time to restage at WEL as every other performer? I think sometimes you just have to step back and admit you’ve had a mare of a day/performance and move along. That's disgraceful that the "honest" vocal coach took down such a polite and informative response from the singer. She could have said something along the lines that she doesn't take into account the performer's own views, that her aim is simply to present her honest opinion on the performance as it stands, that she would be happy to provide an honest review of another performance of Carrie's for balance but that it would be honest. Something like that. |
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Post by stevej678 on Oct 21, 2021 22:01:43 GMT
That's disgraceful that the "honest" vocal coach took down such a polite and informative response from the singer. Perhaps Carrie deleted it? |
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 21, 2021 22:05:26 GMT
That's disgraceful that the "honest" vocal coach took down such a polite and informative response from the singer. Perhaps Carrie deleted it? Perhaps the production team told Carrie to take it down? The plot thickens |
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