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Post by stagebyte on Oct 21, 2021 22:05:36 GMT
That's disgraceful that the "honest" vocal coach took down such a polite and informative response from the singer. Perhaps Carrie deleted it? Perhaps the production team told Carrie to take it down? The plot thickens
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Post by Oliver on Oct 21, 2021 22:05:54 GMT
That's disgraceful that the "honest" vocal coach took down such a polite and informative response from the singer. Perhaps Carrie deleted it? Yes I guess that's possible, but why would she go to such lengths to write a detailed response like that only to delete it? It seems unlikely because there was nothing wrong with anything she said.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2021 22:05:58 GMT
No, it’s still there.
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 21, 2021 22:07:07 GMT
How strange? I can’t see it.
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Post by Oliver on Oct 21, 2021 22:09:36 GMT
Perhaps Carrie deleted it? Perhaps the production team told Carrie to take it down? The plot thickens Yes, that's another possibility I hadn't thought of. But again I come back to why exactly, since there is nothing wrong with her response is there?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2021 22:10:07 GMT
Definitely there! It’s a way down the list now
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Post by Oliver on Oct 21, 2021 22:16:55 GMT
Definitely there! It’s a way down the list now Thanks for finding that, it's good to know it wasn't removed. The "honest vocal coach" should really have pinned Carrie's comment and replied to it though.
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Post by stagebyte on Oct 21, 2021 23:03:19 GMT
Definitely there! It’s a way down the list now Thanks for finding that, it's good to know it wasn't removed. The "honest vocal coach" should really have pinned Carrie's comment and replied to it though. Ah Burly Bear you found it thank you it appears it has reappeared ‘edited’ The HVC acknowledged Carrie’s comment with a ‘like’ and highlighted her comment What else is there to say? Seems little point in discussing further - she’s given her opinion? It just prolongs the convo and as we’ve seen Carrie does have a tendency to indulge in a bit of back and forth. Best to leave it at that with them both having their say possibly.
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Post by stevej678 on Oct 22, 2021 7:09:40 GMT
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Post by mrbarnaby on Oct 22, 2021 7:29:58 GMT
I think if you put yourself out there on social media to the extent that she does, then you are setting yourself up for criticism.
It’s a shame she can’t be a bit more humble and just say “I had an off day” rather than 7000 words blaming the stage, the crowd size blah blah blah.
I don’t know any other performer who has said anything other than performing at WEL is a great experience and they loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 9:35:13 GMT
Thanks for finding that, it's good to know it wasn't removed. The "honest vocal coach" should really have pinned Carrie's comment and replied to it though. Ah Burly Bear you found it thank you it appears it has reappeared ‘edited’ The HVC acknowledged Carrie’s comment with a ‘like’ and highlighted her comment What else is there to say? Seems little point in discussing further - she’s given her opinion? It just prolongs the convo and as we’ve seen Carrie does have a tendency to indulge in a bit of back and forth. Best to leave it at that with them both having their say possibly. Yeah Carrie thrives on drama/conflict so it's best not to engage.
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Post by Oliver on Oct 22, 2021 10:15:56 GMT
I think if you put yourself out there on social media to the extent that she does, then you are setting yourself up for criticism. It’s a shame she can’t be a bit more humble and just say “I had an off day” rather than 7000 words blaming the stage, the crowd size blah blah blah. I don’t know any other performer who has said anything other than performing at WEL is a great experience and they loved it. It wasn't just an "off day", she might say that if it was a little below her usual standard. Her claim that these other factors affected her performance is borne out by this particular performance being an anomaly in her output, something which should have been acknowledged by HVC (if she was truly honest), with reference to her other work. HVC should have done some background research on the performer before posting her review. HVC should also have pinned CHF's reply, so that people watching could see both the review and also CHF's response. Treating the singer's reply to the video as if it has only the same interest and importance as any of the other Youtuber responses is disrespectful I feel.
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Post by matilda1 on Oct 22, 2021 10:50:34 GMT
Why is CHF always at the centre of some drama? Just ignore it Carrie! Surely that would be the most sensible and professional thing to do? By engaging she just draws more attention to the WEL performance.
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Post by Oliver on Oct 22, 2021 11:11:53 GMT
Why is CHF always at the centre of some drama? Just ignore it Carrie! Surely that would be the most sensible and professional thing to do? By engaging she just draws more attention to the WEL performance. No, it's HVC who has drawn attention to the performance not CHF. I would have done the same thing in Carrie's position.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 11:19:27 GMT
Her claim that these other factors affected her performance is borne out by this particular performance being an anomaly in her output, something which should have been acknowledged by HVC (if she was truly honest), with reference to her other work. HVC should have done some background research on the performer before posting her review. What exactly is the 'anomaly' you're referring to? Singing on a stage that isn't the Gillian Lynn? She seemed to cope alright at the Albert Hall on Sunday. And you should have to research a performer and reference their other work before you can critique them? What complete tosh.
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Post by Oliver on Oct 22, 2021 11:33:01 GMT
Her claim that these other factors affected her performance is borne out by this particular performance being an anomaly in her output, something which should have been acknowledged by HVC (if she was truly honest), with reference to her other work. HVC should have done some background research on the performer before posting her review. What exactly is the 'anomaly' you're referring to? Singing on a stage that isn't the Gillian Lynn? She seemed to cope alright at the Albert Hall on Sunday. And you should have to research a performer and reference their other work before you can critique them? What complete tosh. That she coped alright at the Albert Hall would seem to support my argument that this subpar performance of hers was a one off. With regard to your second point, yes I do think you need to provide some context for your audience to offer an honest critique of the performance.
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Post by danb on Oct 22, 2021 12:38:27 GMT
…and everyone is still talking about it. They’ve played a blinder here. No such thing as bad publicity. Come and see ‘Cinderella’ and hear Carrie sing her songs beautifully…or even better, come and see ‘Cinderella’ and possibly hear Carrie mess it up. “You booked to hear the show sung…nobody stated sung well”. 😇
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 22, 2021 13:38:54 GMT
I think the problem is that this vocal coach women likely DID know that something had happened regarding the performance. Otherwise why react to it? Of all the performances on YT, even of all the WEL performances on YT... She picked the only one that was taken down in an official capacity. If she specifically wanted to react to Bad Cinderella, I'm I am pretty sure Carrie's sung it at other events with way better sound and officially filmed and still available video. I don't believe she didn't know what she was reviewing, which is why I think what she did was incredibly poor form. She was specifically trying to tear someone down over a performance she knew had issues. That's not being a vocal coach, that's being a b****.
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Post by sophie92 on Oct 22, 2021 16:01:31 GMT
If she specifically wanted to react to Bad Cinderella, I'm I am pretty sure Carrie's sung it at other events with way better sound and officially filmed and still available video. But she has reacted to another Bad Cinderella performance, she’s did a video about The One Show performance and was really complimentary of Carrie. For the purposes of this channel, the West End Live performance was, unfortunately, a good example of when things go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:36:14 GMT
I think the problem is that this vocal coach women likely DID know that something had happened regarding the performance. Otherwise why react to it? Of all the performances on YT, even of all the WEL performances on YT... She picked the only one that was taken down in an official capacity. If she specifically wanted to react to Bad Cinderella, I'm I am pretty sure Carrie's sung it at other events with way better sound and officially filmed and still available video. I don't believe she didn't know what she was reviewing, which is why I think what she did was incredibly poor form. She was specifically trying to tear someone down over a performance she knew had issues. That's not being a vocal coach, that's being a b****. No it isn't, she has already reacted positively to previous performance. Not bad form at all, Carrie is a professional being paid to do a job. Criticism is part of it, the same with all of us in jobs. Carrie makes constant excuses, this happened when she was in Heathers too, and at WEL I think as well. I never see any other performer constantly make excuses, argue everything, and not support fellow cast members like she does. I think Carrie's lack of training shows, she isn't used to criticism or performing outside the rehearsal room. Training would have prepared her for these situations like every other west end professional there. Things go wrong, it's how you handle it. She could have just said 'yeah sorry I messed up' but instead it's essays of excuses that just drag out the negative publicity....and negative publicity is all cinderella seems to be getting
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 22, 2021 17:53:15 GMT
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 22, 2021 22:34:36 GMT
If she specifically wanted to react to Bad Cinderella, I'm I am pretty sure Carrie's sung it at other events with way better sound and officially filmed and still available video. But she has reacted to another Bad Cinderella performance, she’s did a video about The One Show performance and was really complimentary of Carrie. For the purposes of this channel, the West End Live performance was, unfortunately, a good example of when things go wrong. In which case I think that makes it worse! There's nothing to gain from tearing apart the WEL performance if she's already commented on the song, other than specifically to tear apart that specific performance, and thus the performer too. Showcasing a performance that went wrong due to things completely outside of the performer's control is not a good example of anything except poor judgement on behalf of the woman making the video, imo. It speaks volumes that she hasn't taken it down.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 22, 2021 23:20:09 GMT
They’re milking it in Belleville with a 10 show week coming up. Meanwhile ALW’s Cinderella keeps telling everyone who’s playing Cinderella but it’s not supposed to matter who’s playing Cinderella you bought a ticket to see Cinderella you saw Cinderella unless it’s Carrie who’s playing Cinderella then it does matter as she IS Cinderella but when she ISN’T Cinderella it doesn’t matter who’s Cinderella… Got that? 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 23:46:14 GMT
Showcasing a performance that went wrong due to things completely outside of the performer's control My apologies for not trawling through all the pages for it, but what was out of the performers control?
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 23, 2021 0:00:23 GMT
Showcasing a performance that went wrong due to things completely outside of the performer's control My apologies for not trawling through all the pages for it, but what was out of the performers control? Sound issues
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