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Post by theatrelegofan87 on Oct 9, 2021 22:48:04 GMT
Where did all the comments go about Carries absense at the matinee?
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Post by steve10086 on Oct 9, 2021 22:56:40 GMT
Interval Reminding myself that I paid too much money for this ticket to leave now and that it's hard to imagine second part could be worst. At least it will be shorter I hope. Cast all singing fine on top form and the only thing making this bearable. The are pantomimes across the land this Christmas which will knock this out the water. So sad that the man who has brought so many musical high marks considered this worthy. So very true. What an awful end to a great career!
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Post by lightinthedarkness on Oct 11, 2021 13:00:41 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing.
Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle...
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Post by Oliver on Oct 11, 2021 13:11:25 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... It's not a legitimate complaint, she's right. When you book to see a musical, it is the musical you have booked to see, not a particular performer in the show. The company is entitled to make changes if deemed necessary and the performer is under no obligation to the audience to perform, only to her employers.
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Post by lightinthedarkness on Oct 11, 2021 13:25:36 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... It's not a legitimate complaint, she's right. When you book to see a musical, it is the musical you have booked to see, not a particular performer in the show. The company is entitled to make changes if deemed necessary and the performer is under no obligation to the audience to perform, only to her employers. I don't disagree with her, but the way she's going about replying is really bad in my opinion? She's going off on bad sounding rants/arguments every time, and it looks pretty bad when she could just ignore it really.
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Post by hairspray57 on Oct 11, 2021 14:49:53 GMT
I think this is the consequence of names being used to sell tickets and being put on posters as a major reason to see the show. When a show doesn’t use it’s cast as a selling point they avoid this issue.
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Post by shady23 on Oct 11, 2021 14:54:35 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... I disagree, not only were people criticising her not being in the show but they were also tagging in her understudy to the posts when they were complaining and asking for a partial refund. That is so rude! I think it is quite noble to stand up to this nonsense. A minority of theatre fans are so entitled and I really wish more performers would call out this behaviour.
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Post by lightinthedarkness on Oct 11, 2021 15:02:50 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... I disagree, not only were people criticising her not being in the show but they were also tagging in her understudy to the posts when they were complaining and asking for a partial refund. That is so rude! I think it is quite noble to stand up to this nonsense. A minority of theatre fans are so entitled and I really wish more performers would call out this behaviour. I was actually just looking at the twitter threads again and you're absolutely right. There are multiple threads on the go on the subject, I clearly missed the worst one on my first read through. I only saw the ones where it seemed she was being a bit harsh and ranting, but she really does have good reason for being put out. Perhaps part of the issue is how much she's keeping it going, but I do see why she's annoyed originally.
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Post by cezbear on Oct 11, 2021 15:09:22 GMT
She's not wrong in principle BUT I'm really not keen on the way she's putting herself across. She's not supporting or praising her alternate, just defending her right to miss a show quite aggressively. It doesn't come across very well even if her point is valid. Honestly, as a percentage how many people in the theatre at any given show actually booked to see her specifically/even know who she is? I'm just not sure her name is THAT big - I don't know anyone outside of theatre circles who's heard of her. It's a couple of fans on Twitter - she'd do better just to either ignore them entirely or use the opportunity to really big up Georgina, the way lots of other leads do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 15:34:12 GMT
Shes handling this appallingly. For all her social media experience, and considering she is supposedly a writer, is so bad at expressing herself.
Someone from the production needs to step in and tell her to step away. She isn't wrong technically but these are her customers and paying her wages, it's just basic customer service
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Post by princeton on Oct 11, 2021 15:44:36 GMT
In fairness to Carrie Hope Fletcher - she's constantly supporting Georgina Onuorah, who is the alternate Cinderella, on social media. In fact the tweet which seems to have triggered this said: "Slight scheduling change at Cinders today and I will now only be performing in this evenings show. This afternoon you will be watching the marvellous @georginaonuorah !!!"
Then someone replied tagging both asking for a partial refund as CHF hadn't appeared at the matinee even though 'the understudy was good'. And CHF's later tweet made that point that it's not great to tag in the replacement saying how angry you are that the usual actor hasn't performed.
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Post by anthem on Oct 11, 2021 15:46:23 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... It wasn't really a "rampage"? I don't even like her but I thought her tweet was perfectly reasonable. People's sense of entitlement at times is nauseating. Of course we've all been disappointed when the "name" isn't available. Trips to the theatre are expensive, we have to carve out time and pay for transport and potentially accommodation etc., but tweeting the performer to complain and including the understudy/alternate is just rude and unnecessary.
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Post by lightinthedarkness on Oct 11, 2021 15:49:37 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... It wasn't really a "rampage"? I don't even like her but I thought her tweet was perfectly reasonable. People's sense of entitlement at times is nauseating. Of course we've all been disappointed when the "name" isn't available. Trips to the theatre are expensive, we have to carve out time and pay for transport and potentially accommodation etc., but tweeting the performer to complain and including the understudy/alternate is just rude and unnecessary. Yeah I replied again upthread, there were multiple threads on the subject on Carries twitter and I only saw the ones where it felt like she was on a big argument binge. Twitter shows things in a funny order sometimes. Reading from the beginning shows it in a different light, someone keeps arguing with her but she's 100% correct originally. My bad!
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Post by danb on Oct 11, 2021 15:51:11 GMT
Especially when it’s a company decision, rather than a result of illness. Performers that make themselves so ‘available’ to their fanbase also need to realise that it works in reverse too.
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Post by anthem on Oct 11, 2021 15:52:49 GMT
It wasn't really a "rampage"? I don't even like her but I thought her tweet was perfectly reasonable. People's sense of entitlement at times is nauseating. Of course we've all been disappointed when the "name" isn't available. Trips to the theatre are expensive, we have to carve out time and pay for transport and potentially accommodation etc., but tweeting the performer to complain and including the understudy/alternate is just rude and unnecessary. Yeah I replied again upthread, there were multiple threads on the subject on Carries twitter and I only saw the ones where it felt like she was on a big argument binge. Twitter shows things in a funny order sometimes. Reading from the beginning shows it in a different light, someone keeps arguing with her but she's 100% correct originally. My bad! No worries. Twitter beef is exhausting to follow.
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Post by mkb on Oct 11, 2021 17:23:12 GMT
In the Twitter mobile app, the icon at top right consisting of a star and two plus symbols, will enable you to switch between chronological and algorithmic sequencing of tweets.
Algorithmic sequencing is the bane of social media.
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Post by sophie92 on Oct 11, 2021 20:23:34 GMT
Then someone replied tagging both asking for a partial refund as CHF hadn't appeared at the matinee even though 'the understudy was good'. And CHF's later tweet made that point that it's not great to tag in the replacement saying how angry you are that the usual actor hasn't performed. With regards to this point, if you aren’t well-versed in Twitter you won’t know that replying to someone’s tweet automatically tags anyone mentioned in the original tweet and that you have to deliberately remove them. I’m definitely not condoning tweeting performers demanding refunds because they didn’t perform but people are allowed to be disappointed. I think people need to keep it to their own social media accounts rather than directing it at performers. I’m hoping this has been put to bed now as I don’t think Carrie was managing to get her point across in the manner intended - to me the majority of her replies have come off as overly defensive and some are quite patronising.
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Post by sweets7 on Oct 12, 2021 21:33:40 GMT
I heard this and I always remember prepandemic that it was common in musicals for the leads to do 6 shows and be covered for two in the week. But also remember this being a fairly upfront thing. Maybe she does them all.
I have always found her very confident and forward to be honest. Great voice though and she needs to learn that if you make yourself available you are available to everything. People have a right to be annoyed. Equally she owes them nothing. But you either take it all, good and bad or you don't engage, you don't complain and you just do your job and go home. The ones that do are probably mentally more healthy.
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Post by anthony on Oct 12, 2021 21:42:06 GMT
Carrie seems to be on a bit of a Twitter rampage because people tweeted that they were upset that she wasn't performing. Really not a good look for the show in my opinion, and I'm quite dissapointed as I used to love her as a performer. Better left to the social media team to handle... It wasn't really a "rampage"? I don't even like her but I thought her tweet was perfectly reasonable. People's sense of entitlement at times is nauseating. Of course we've all been disappointed when the "name" isn't available. Trips to the theatre are expensive, we have to carve out time and pay for transport and potentially accommodation etc., but tweeting the performer to complain and including the understudy/alternate is just rude and unnecessary. When you sell a show based on a name, when that name then openly boasts about having no formal training, etc etc, they I think people have the right to complain. Let's not beat around the bush here: these actors will use their names to get parts (as with Hope Fletcher, who again, openly boasts about no formal training whenever she is criticised), but then complains the moment people get angry? The solution is surely to stop the stunt casting... Saying that, the person who was angry booked a matinee, so I sort of feel like it serves them right. If you want the best shot at seeing a certain performer, at least book a weekend evening performance...
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Post by sweets7 on Oct 12, 2021 22:07:24 GMT
It wasn't really a "rampage"? I don't even like her but I thought her tweet was perfectly reasonable. People's sense of entitlement at times is nauseating. Of course we've all been disappointed when the "name" isn't available. Trips to the theatre are expensive, we have to carve out time and pay for transport and potentially accommodation etc., but tweeting the performer to complain and including the understudy/alternate is just rude and unnecessary. When you sell a show based on a name, when that name then openly boasts about having no formal training, etc etc, they I think people have the right to complain. Let's not beat around the bush here: these actors will use their names to get parts (as with Hope Fletcher, who again, openly boasts about no formal training whenever she is criticised), but then complains the moment people get angry? The solution is surely to stop the stunt casting... Saying that, the person who was angry booked a matinee, so I sort of feel like it serves them right. If you want the best shot at seeing a certain performer, at least book a weekend evening performance... No formal training? Voice won't hold up with that. Maybe they didn't really know that if the names aren't going to be there then it will be a matinee or a Monday night. Been to loads of Sat matinees though and seen huge stars who are their doing there job. Musocal stars do tend to be absent though either by arrangement or the fact that that many shows has a huge toll on the voice. Or else they are slightly primadonaish.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 12, 2021 22:10:36 GMT
Carrie is an established West End performer who has been on stage since she was a child, with multiple well-received principal roles under her belt. I don't think she can be considered 'stunt cast'. And I've certainly never seen her 'boast' about not having formal training.
I find it so strange that people immediately attack Carrie for daring to say something about rude and entitled audience members, but when some other performers interrupt shows to shout at people for filming, they're lauded? Why are some people allowed to say something and not others? Especially when the latter scenario disrupts the show for everyone, and all Carrie did was post some tweets - don't want to read them, don't follow her. I'm not saying people filming and distracting actors shouldn't be called out, but the double standard just baffles me.
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Post by sweets7 on Oct 12, 2021 22:18:44 GMT
Carrie is an established West End performer who has been on stage since she was a child, with multiple well-received principal roles under her belt. I don't think she can be considered 'stunt cast'. And I've certainly never seen her 'boast' about not having formal training. I find it so strange that people immediately attack Carrie for daring to say something about rude and entitled audience members, but when some other performers interrupt shows to shout at people for filming, they're lauded? Why are some people allowed to say something and not others? Especially when the latter scenario disrupts the show for everyone, and all Carrie did was post some tweets - don't want to read them, don't follow her. I'm not saying people filming and distracting actors shouldn't be called out, but the double standard just baffles me. I think the point is it is not really very professional to get involved at all. Don't answer. That and the fact that through the years there have been some great lovelies who had a habit of missing shows to the err of the public. The late much missed Dame Rigg amount them. She wouldn't explain and nor should she. Carrie shouldn't have said anything and nor should she but she is all about the social media and in my eyes it's a bad thing but its how someone like her builds her profile. Truth is if you fork out a lot of money and are excited to see someone it's going to hurt if they aren't there and to be honest there should be arrangements if a show involves a huge name casting. Insurance would be huge. I have been to any number of shows musicals, dance, plays where the lead is off. Sometimes I have assumed because that's the arrangement and sometimes because they are genuinely ill. Of course you are disappointed but I have always enjoyed the shows anyway. It is common in musicals for an alternative to do it and in recent years I have seen less and less people miss their shows for anything but illness. Probably just speaks to the increased professionalism in all walks of life really.
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Post by anthony on Oct 12, 2021 22:19:09 GMT
Carrie is an established West End performer who has been on stage since she was a child, with multiple well-received principal roles under her belt. I don't think she can be considered 'stunt cast'. And I've certainly never seen her 'boast' about not having formal training. I find it so strange that people immediately attack Carrie for daring to say something about rude and entitled audience members, but when some other performers interrupt shows to shout at people for filming, they're lauded? Why are some people allowed to say something and not others? Especially when the latter scenario disrupts the show for everyone, and all Carrie did was post some tweets - don't want to read them, don't follow her. I'm not saying people filming and distracting actors shouldn't be called out, but the double standard just baffles me. People are calling her out due to her reaction of people being annoyed she wasn't at a performance. If a show boasts their star as their main selling point and that star isn't there, of course it's going to be a kick in the teeth to fans who may have travelled hundreds of miles and spent hundreds of pounds to see their "idol". Ignore those people. There is no need to get into a public spat with them, followed by other West End fan girl favourites chiming in to insult their own fanbases. Hope Fletcher boasts about no formal training every. single. time. she is called out for her sub-par acting abilities. Every time. Without fail. West End Live performance didn't go to plan? "Oh, well I've had no formal training, so... xoxoxo". Tbh, I don't care - stunt casting keeps certain shows alive, so I'm all for it. But let's call a spade a spade. You can't have your cake and eat it. I'd be saying this about any stunt casting that complains that people are angry if they're not performing, not just Hope Fletcher.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 12, 2021 22:30:35 GMT
Her name isn't 'Hope Fletcher', btw - Hope is her middle name. She'd just be 'Fletcher'.
I think she was well within her right to speak out against people sending her rude messages and asking for refunds. She also specifically asked people not to tag the alternate in disappointed tweets, so it's not like she's just thinking about herself. I wouldn't say she's stepped out of line in what she's said. People need to accept they've booked to see a musical and not a specific person, and that it's not a performer's fault if they're not on. There are disclaimers on pretty much every show booking site making it clear they do not guarantee the appearance of any cast member - those are the conditions you book your ticket under.
I don't think she's ever 'boasted' about no formal training, though. She's not saying she's superior because of it. She's just showing there's a different way into theatre, especially for people who can't access formal training because of financial roadblocks or the like. I'm pretty sure she's never slated formal training in any way.
Still 100% not stunt casting. For one thing, she is a musical theatre performer. For another, she's damn good at it in my opinion, and the opinions of many others. She might not be your cup of tea and that's fine, but she's still not stunt cast.
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Post by inthenose on Oct 12, 2021 22:50:27 GMT
For someone who has used social media so well to build her profile and define her image, she sure does seem to get caught up in a lot of dramas. Usually involving the more hardcore "fans", the very demographic her social media exposure has been tailored to attract. Her vlogs, books, branding and image are very carefully crafted towards exactly the kind of people who would travel and pay specifically to see her and buy/view her "content". Social media is a double edged sword, she willingly plays the game to her benefit in her career and financially.
To her credit, she has a history of speaking her mind when something upsets her, which always reads as completely out of character and not in keeping with her saccharin pre-teen girl friendly persona. Almost as if there are more than one person tweeting/managing her social media. Strange.
Maybe she has a point on this issue, and the other issues before, but the image projected is that of condescension and hastily written tweets sent in anger. Not retweeting the "we took our daughter to see you and were wonderful" praise in the manner to which she is accustomed.
In short, her agent or paid PR person should have a word and stop her getting herself repeatedly in these situations.
At the moment it's just an eyeroll and a "oh, what is now..."
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