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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2021 20:36:41 GMT
Surely West End Live is no different to doing say The Royal Variety, The Oliviers or doing a number from a show on something like The One Show or This Morning?
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 20:37:50 GMT
The fact they took the video down is interesting…They clearly didn’t want that video coming up on YT search results as it definitely wouldn’t make me want to go and watch it. However, multiple other shows also had sound issues and their videos are still up so clearly ALW of CHF stomped their feet and got it removed. Carrie also hasn’t returned to the show since it happened and also wrote that whole post about how she could write a book about the events of WEL. This show is literally just surrounded in drama all the time and it doesn’t help that Carrie’s online presence isn’t exactly a producer’s dream half of the time. "wrote that whole post" ? It was a one liner saying there was more to it that sent her off, but she didn't expand. I guess you're accurate in that these three sentences I've written up to this point are also "that whole post" so far. But you're making it much bigger than it is by that hyped phrasing. Where you're not accurate is that her "online presence isn't exactly a producer's dream half of the time". Please demonstrate that half of her social media output has been bad for the show. It hasn't. She's written fantastic things about her alternate, and the alternates she's played opposite, and posted videos about her make up, how the sound works for the show etc. etc. I know we're in a post-truth world now, but there's no need to give in to inaccurate hyperbole just because it spices your life up at the expense of someone else. So let's hear it - "half the time" her social media has been problematic. Evidenced argument please. Go. If Tom Fletcher needs some character work for one of his Strictly dances and pops in to see sis at 'Cinderella' for his training VT people are going to combust.
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Post by ronnette on Sept 19, 2021 20:39:45 GMT
Is she auto tuned in the theatre? Is that a thing?
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 20:40:55 GMT
Surely West End Live is no different to doing say The Royal Variety, The Oliviers or doing a number from a show on something like The One Show or This Morning? It's outdoors.
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 20:41:40 GMT
Is she auto tuned in the theatre? Is that a thing? No,
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Post by properjob on Sept 19, 2021 20:41:51 GMT
I'm being entirely serious, what do you disagree with or think I've got wrong? What nonsense. They would absolutely have rehearsed this performance. And the no set etc comment doesn’t make sense. They rehearse these shows for weeks without any set, just markings on a floor. That’s really no excuse at all. What I was responding to was "I can undertand the sound/mic issues affecting the singing, but isnt the choreography inbedded already? Wouldnt she know where to stand and what move comes next automatically by now?" and pointing out the choreography would be different as they are not on the set. They won't have the staute of prince charming, that forms the centrepiece of that number normally so they have to do something that is slightly different to what they've been doing 8 shows a week.
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Post by chernjam on Sept 19, 2021 20:42:55 GMT
No, there was a post after that which she’s since deleted. I've seen the other post mentioned. I guess if you're heading to an event that you already know is your weak spot, any mishap, criticism, disappointment or faux pas (by whoever) is going to throw you off even more. A combo of those - even worse. Some performers must live in fear of an Idina Menzel moment at these kinds of events, and the makeshift outdoor nature of them ^ This I will never forget watching that New Years Eve train wreck... I had already loathed "Let it go" as my nieces had sung it incessantly - having her sing it off key was such a mess and an embarrassment for her, for sure. I'm the last to want to hear "Drama queen routines" - but to be fair, the logistics of doing these types of things, particularly with the entire cast like CHF had to contend with yesterday - even when they're flawless, they still come off as flat as compared to on stage with a live orchestra.
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 20:53:42 GMT
What nonsense. They would absolutely have rehearsed this performance. And the no set etc comment doesn’t make sense. They rehearse these shows for weeks without any set, just markings on a floor. That’s really no excuse at all. What I was responding to was "I can undertand the sound/mic issues affecting the singing, but isnt the choreography inbedded already? Wouldnt she know where to stand and what move comes next automatically by now?" and pointing out the choreography would be different as they are not on the set. They won't have the staute of prince charming, that forms the centrepiece of that number normally so they have to do something that is slightly different to what they've been doing 8 shows a week. I was always impressed that Alex Brightman and the NYC cast of 'School Of Rock' did a number of TV spots and had to change some lyrics due to mild swears, and shorten a song with a midway cut. Must have been a bit nerve wracking that you'd revert to the original. They always pulled it off, going by the videos I saw anyway at least (evidence based accuracy), there may have been others. I also saw Brightman's vlog video of how early they started on one particular day, how they were the only musical guests, the rehearsal they did, how prepped they were. This was a TV studio, not outdoors. Even then, if his earpiece had gone wonky it could/would have gone wrong. The other thing I got from Alex Brightman's vlogs was how important a duty he felt it was to be a company leader - setting up a coffee station for the cast in his dressing room and lots of quirky things. I wonder if CHF saw this, or is just that type too, but I've been impressed by her taking that role.
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Post by amp09 on Sept 19, 2021 20:54:40 GMT
The fact they took the video down is interesting…They clearly didn’t want that video coming up on YT search results as it definitely wouldn’t make me want to go and watch it. However, multiple other shows also had sound issues and their videos are still up so clearly ALW of CHF stomped their feet and got it removed. Carrie also hasn’t returned to the show since it happened and also wrote that whole post about how she could write a book about the events of WEL. This show is literally just surrounded in drama all the time and it doesn’t help that Carrie’s online presence isn’t exactly a producer’s dream half of the time. "wrote that whole post" ? It was a one liner saying there was more to it that sent her off, but she didn't expand. I guess you're accurate in that these three sentences I've written up to this point are also "that whole post" so far. But you're making it much bigger than it is by that hyped phrasing. Where you're not accurate is that her "online presence isn't exactly a producer's dream half of the time". Please demonstrate that half of her social media output has been bad for the show. It hasn't. She's written fantastic things about her alternate, and the alternates she's played opposite, and posted videos about her make up, how the sound works for the show etc. etc. I know we're in a post-truth world now, but there's no need to give in to inaccurate hyperbole just because it spices your life up at the expense of someone else. So let's hear it - "half the time" her social media has been problematic. Evidenced argument please. Go. If Tom Fletcher needs some character work for one of his Strictly dances and pops in to see sis at 'Cinderella' for his training VT people are going to combust. Carrie, is that you…?
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Post by ronnette on Sept 19, 2021 21:06:42 GMT
She’s just posted and deleted some worrying stuff on her Instagram story about feeling bad and having anxiety etc. Hope she’s being looked after.
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Post by properjob on Sept 19, 2021 21:11:34 GMT
I was always impressed that Alex Brightman and the NYC cast of 'School Of Rock' did a number of TV spots and had to change some lyrics due to mild swears, and shorten a song with a midway cut. Must have been a bit nerve wracking that you'd revert to the original. They always pulled it off, going by the videos I saw anyway at least (evidence based accuracy), there may have been others. I also saw Brightman's vlog video of how early they started on one particular day, how they were the only musical guests, the rehearsal they did, how prepped they were. This was a TV studio, not outdoors. Even then, if his earpiece had gone wonky it could/would have gone wrong. The other thing I got from Alex Brightman's vlogs was how important a duty he felt it was to be a company leader - setting up a coffee station for the cast in his dressing room and lots of quirky things. I wonder if CHF saw this, or is just that type too, but I've been impressed by her taking that role. I've not ever seen any videos of rehearsals in Trafalgar Square so I am assuming that unlike a TV show they just have to go for it without so much as a sound check. Back before social media Nichola McAuliffe had a blog on the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang when she was in the orginal cast. I'm not sure it would be allowed these days as she complained about the rats backstage and "Lord Lloyds Bank" the theatre landlord. She also mentioned that Michael Ball was a real company leader and Carrie has worked with him a few times.
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Post by shady23 on Sept 19, 2021 21:13:18 GMT
Surely West End Live is no different to doing say The Royal Variety, The Oliviers or doing a number from a show on something like The One Show or This Morning? When filming tv there's generally not thousands of people watching you in the studio. Is it not natural to be nervous? Does not mean they are any less professional for being so I don't think.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 19, 2021 21:13:46 GMT
She's already been in a Strictly training video — Helen George's Les Mis paso.
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 21:28:19 GMT
Hahaha amp09, that old one.
Almost as good as 'cry more' and 'who hurt you?', and other little tropes people fall into on social media.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 19, 2021 21:31:41 GMT
Is she auto tuned in the theatre? Is that a thing? No, Absolutely it is.
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Post by marob on Sept 19, 2021 21:35:01 GMT
I do genuinely hope she’s not being too hard on herself. While it didn’t do a very good job of selling the show, there are far bigger blunders out there. After all, we’re only a few weeks away from that Patti LaBelle video going viral again.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 19, 2021 21:36:39 GMT
I do genuinely hope she’s not being too hard on herself. While it didn’t do a very good job of selling the show, there are far bigger blunders out there. After all, we’re only a few weeks away from that Patti LaBelle video going viral again. Which one - stopping the show? If so, I'm not convinced that was a blunder...
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 21:36:46 GMT
Which part are you saying 'yes' to here, inthenose? We all know that autotune is a thing.
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Post by inthenose on Sept 19, 2021 21:39:13 GMT
Which part are you saying 'yes' to here, inthenose? We all know that autotune is a thing. Live autotune is a thing and has been for ages. There are certain shows which use(d) it as policy, regardless of actor's talent. WWRY on tour, "Brave New World" and "Thunder Child" in The War of the Worlds on tour and West End. Loads of others I could find if I cared to ask my noise boys friends . It's very common.
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 22:09:17 GMT
I do genuinely hope she’s not being too hard on herself. While it didn’t do a very good job of selling the show, there are far bigger blunders out there. After all, we’re only a few weeks away from that Patti LaBelle video going viral again. Which one - stopping the show? If so, I'm not convinced that was a blunder... What do you mean by 'stopping the show'?
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Post by inthenose on Sept 19, 2021 22:12:59 GMT
I thought you were on about the "we're a community" speech/lecture from La LuPone. Clearly not 😂 that was the joke...
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Post by max on Sept 19, 2021 22:34:25 GMT
Cinderella:
A young woman is told the correct way to be by an 'oh so perfect' judgemental community, a bunch of preening men who stay on the sidelines while others go into battle, some sisters who should know better, and with cruel barbs thrown in now and again by a bitchy queen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 0:52:53 GMT
I can undertand the sound/mic issues affecting the singing, but isnt the choreography inbedded already? Wouldnt she know where to stand and what move comes next automatically by now? I'm surprised that things like not being in the same theatre as usual could affect someone quite so much. Its like that naff old film trope of people being too nervous to sing front of others, so they turn all the lights off and suddenly, they sing! The stage is a different size and shape, there isn't a revolve, the set isn't there and so it there will have to be changes to the choreography so it will be different but also really similar which I expect make it harder. I assume it also won't have had any rehearsal in Trafalgar square. What difference does the shape of the stage make? The set was a statue, a tree stump or two, none of which she had to move herself or interact with They rehearsed for weeks/months without a revolve, so she should remember that. I don't recall any cast member of Les Mis falling apart when they sang One Day More at West End Live. Say yeah, i messed up, move on. Don't try and make excuses. If anything, she should be more concerned about the people who actually pay to see it, not the screaming tweens who are there for a freebie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 1:04:56 GMT
Cinderella: A young woman is told the correct way to be by an 'oh so perfect' judgemental community, a bunch of preening men who stay on the sidelines while others go into battle, some sisters who should know better, and with cruel barbs thrown in now and again by a bitchy queen. YAWN. Actors are told the correct way to be by directors every day, its what they have to do. Its their job.If an actor is offended by someone's judgement, be it a casting agent, critics, bloggers, general nobody on the internet, either don't read it or get out the business. The excuses being made for her are ridiculous. Send the Alternate Cinders along, let her get a chance to be known more.
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Post by FairyGodmother on Sept 20, 2021 2:19:35 GMT
Cinderella: A young woman is told the correct way to be by an 'oh so perfect' judgemental community, a bunch of preening men who stay on the sidelines while others go into battle, some sisters who should know better, and with cruel barbs thrown in now and again by a bitchy queen. Life imitating art. Although without casting aspersions, I'm not sure how all the message board posters would look in leather... (I think she's probably got a bit worked up and feels like she's needs to defend herself and explain why it didn't go as well as she wanted it to. Bit of a Streisand effect though; people are now watching it to see what the fuss was about! Although if it were up to me — not that I'm at all qualified other than quite liking musical theatre and having some experience of promoting other things — I probably wouldn't have chosen Bad Cinderella for this.)
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