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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 19, 2019 23:10:11 GMT
Would be interesting to know the terms of the Palladium's entertainment license as that presumably defines the hours they are allowed to operate on different days of the week. Didn't someone quote it on here a while back? I did check the last tube from central London during the week, and it's 12.30am. Doesn't help the majority, I'd guess, who will be trying to connect with rail services which end far earlier. Yeah if you need train connections you'd be screwed.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 19, 2019 23:13:17 GMT
This has nothing to do with Londoners “not holding back”. If the venue has a curfew (as is the case with Hyde Park) and the local authority/crew/management the resolve to pull the plug then she doesn’t have the luxury of her diva antics afforded to her in the US. Well it kind of does. A fine is one thing, turning the electricity off is another. As far as I’m aware both things only ever happened to her in the UK, and she’s at the stage where money doesn’t matter (divorce settlements aside) - when they turned the electric off she still continued doing the show. My understanding is that the Palladium will not have a curfew in place. But my point is that in the US there has been zero audience backlash over the start times outside of the 12am start in Vegas... and after that she’s reigned it in. Personally I can’t see a London audience holding back and will let her know it’s not okay. Despite her late starts in the US her reviews have all been glowing. London reviewers will curse her if she’s late, no matter how good the show is. Press matters to Madge. But I’ve got faith. She started on time in London on her last tour, re-introduced songs she had cut and then added a few extras in that were not part of the setlist. So we shall see. People have been whinging about it from the very first show, you're clearly not looking very hard for criticism. Of course I don't mean braindead stans whose children could be murdered by the woman and they'd still say 'what do you expect it's Madonna', I mean normal people who don't suffer from brain strangling cognitive dissonance x
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 0:19:39 GMT
Well it kind of does. A fine is one thing, turning the electricity off is another. As far as I’m aware both things only ever happened to her in the UK, and she’s at the stage where money doesn’t matter (divorce settlements aside) - when they turned the electric off she still continued doing the show. My understanding is that the Palladium will not have a curfew in place. But my point is that in the US there has been zero audience backlash over the start times outside of the 12am start in Vegas... and after that she’s reigned it in. Personally I can’t see a London audience holding back and will let her know it’s not okay. Despite her late starts in the US her reviews have all been glowing. London reviewers will curse her if she’s late, no matter how good the show is. Press matters to Madge. But I’ve got faith. She started on time in London on her last tour, re-introduced songs she had cut and then added a few extras in that were not part of the setlist. So we shall see. People have been whinging about it from the very first show, you're clearly not looking very hard for criticism. Of course I don't mean braindead stans whose children could be murdered by the woman and they'd still say 'what do you expect it's Madonna', I mean normal people who don't suffer from brain strangling cognitive dissonance x I don’t use twitter and I don’t go looking for negativity from people I don’t know, no. However to clarify my point further, I mean during the show, no one is challenging Madonna over her lateness and I think in London they will. For example, NME gave the show 5 stars and basically said this about the late start: If she didn’t turn up until 11pm that is not the description of a London audience imo, nor the kind of review she should expect. I can’t imagine anyone here saying an 11pm late start was ‘immediately worth it’!
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 20, 2019 0:40:44 GMT
People have been whinging about it from the very first show, you're clearly not looking very hard for criticism. Of course I don't mean braindead stans whose children could be murdered by the woman and they'd still say 'what do you expect it's Madonna', I mean normal people who don't suffer from brain strangling cognitive dissonance x I don’t use twitter and I don’t go looking for negativity from people I don’t know, no. However to clarify my point further, I mean during the show, no one is challenging Madonna over her lateness and I think in London they will. For example, NME gave the show 5 stars and basically said this about the late start: If she didn’t turn up until 11pm that is not the description of a London audience imo, nor the kind of review she should expect. I can’t imagine anyone here saying an 11pm late start was ‘immediately worth it’! I don't do Twitter either, but people on actual music forums and even Madonna forums have complained about it.
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Post by Xanderl on Nov 20, 2019 6:43:11 GMT
So @theatremonkey is correct, TallPaul found the Palladium's theatre license. So - unless they apply for a license extension she has to be offstage by midnight. On behalf of the Board, I've downloaded the Palladium's theatre licence from the Westminster City Council website. Currently, performances of live (or recorded) music are allowed between 10:00 and 00:00 from Monday to Saturday, and 11:00 and 00:00 on Sunday. To allow for chucking out time, the theatre itself is allowed to open between 09:00 and 00:30 from Monday to Saturday, and from 10:00 to 00:00 on Sunday. So unless Madonna takes to the stage very, very late, which I understand isn't unknown, then punters should get a full performance for their not inconsiderable outlay.
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Post by xanady on Nov 20, 2019 20:03:59 GMT
^Well done on the detective work...the new Holmes and Watson!...fascinating stuff...does this mean that if she starts really late it could be a very short and expensive night out?
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 20, 2019 22:05:55 GMT
^Well done on the detective work...the new Holmes and Watson!...fascinating stuff...does this mean that if she starts really late it could be a very short and expensive night out? Let's face it, she is only playing to diehards these days anyways and they (as we can see in this thread) will accept anything she does. No one else in their right mind would be paying that much to see someone they have only a passing interest in and those who do are only doing it so they can say they went. With the amount of tickets left for the London shows, I imagine her knee is going to get pretty sore again when she arrives back in the UK and she'll cancel a few shows Easyjet style to fill up the theatre for the rest of the run like she did in the States.
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Post by intoanewlife on Nov 27, 2019 20:24:49 GMT
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Post by n1david on Nov 29, 2019 12:32:11 GMT
BBC reporting first London show has been postponed:
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 9, 2019 13:46:55 GMT
The Madame Easyjet Tour continues...
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Post by theatrefan77 on Dec 10, 2019 17:35:09 GMT
The 'overwhelming pain' is probably due to poor tickets sales in some venue.
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 11, 2019 3:15:11 GMT
The 'overwhelming pain' is probably due to poor tickets sales in some venue. It's very telling that this close to the 'event' you still can't select your tickets from a seating plan of available seats...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 15:55:41 GMT
If she did go over the allocated performing times would the theatre be forced to stop the concert or would there be a fine which would likely be peanuts to Madge. But if she did start going over than ALW could soon put his foot down if it caused his venue to get into trouble with the local council.
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Post by intoanewlife on Dec 24, 2019 18:33:09 GMT
More cancellations...Miami take a bow x
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Post by theatreian on Jan 20, 2020 22:33:37 GMT
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 21, 2020 0:19:02 GMT
She realised she was only playing to 8 people and cancelled...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jan 21, 2020 7:35:27 GMT
“See you on Tuesday..... fingers crossed” seems a tad vague in terms of commitment. If she’s that unwell just reschedule the shows and take time to recover.
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Post by ptwest on Jan 21, 2020 22:37:35 GMT
“See you on Tuesday..... fingers crossed” seems a tad vague in terms of commitment. If she’s that unwell just reschedule the shows and take time to recover. Exactly. Surely if recovery is that uncertain, ploughing on with the tour at this stage will only aggravate things further. Not to mention extremely disrespectful to people who are travelling long distances to see her.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 22, 2020 2:42:14 GMT
“See you on Tuesday..... fingers crossed” seems a tad vague in terms of commitment. If she’s that unwell just reschedule the shows and take time to recover. Exactly. Surely if recovery is that uncertain, ploughing on with the tour at this stage will only aggravate things further. Not to mention extremely disrespectful to people who are travelling long distances to see her. Would you expect anything less from her at this point?
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 22, 2020 4:38:16 GMT
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Post by dazzerlump on Jan 22, 2020 8:06:25 GMT
Ill be very surprised if she gets through all the London dates. Its a lot over a short period if she has this injury that keeps flaring up. I go on the 6th Feb
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 15:07:57 GMT
Ill be very surprised if she gets through all the London dates. Its a lot over a short period if she has this injury that keeps flaring up. I go on the 6th Feb I don’t think she will to be honest. Her knee has been bothering her for months now and contrary to another user’s opinion that it’s a cover for weak sales, it really isn’t (there is clearly some other bitterness going on there). I admire her hoping she can do each show, but I’m not a fan of the last minute show cancellations - I believe the latest cancellation was 2 hours before showtime. On the subject of showtimes, apparently the Palladium has a licence that will allow them to remain open until 3am for Madonna shows. Best install an Uber apps folks. She has been going on around 10ish recently, although there was an 11pm start the other day.
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Post by ptwest on Jan 22, 2020 21:02:22 GMT
With another show cancelled tonight, I feel that London as a whole is looking less and less likely. Some clarity is needed now though, either she is continuing the tour or she isn’t. Obviously I would want her to be match fit to do all dates but this doesn’t look like that’s possible at all right now. The night I am going is after she has a day off which gives me some hope but I don’t think I will really believe it is going to happen until I am in the Palladium and the show starts - which could well be a long wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 22:09:27 GMT
London is about to get very messy. They haven’t contacted anyone who is supposed to be attending the soundcheck (that’s 300 people per show), there’s possible last minute cancellations looming, tickets haven’t been issued, resale has been forbidden, and now I’ve been informed those who bought front row packages have been informed they have been moved as far back as row H, apparently because it offers a better view. Also if you bought the hotel package, check into the hotel on the day of the show and the show is then subsequently cancelled, the hotel part of your package is non-refundable (but if you don’t check in and the show is cancelled then it is refundable). Add all that to the fact that even if she does the show, she might not come on stage until midnight.
On a plus side, tickets seem have sold well - some shows are down to single seats only on ticket master. On the flip side though, if she cancels there’s not many left to buy on another date.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 23, 2020 19:11:22 GMT
London is about to get very messy. They haven’t contacted anyone who is supposed to be attending the soundcheck (that’s 300 people per show), there’s possible last minute cancellations looming, tickets haven’t been issued, resale has been forbidden, and now I’ve been informed those who bought front row packages have been informed they have been moved as far back as row H, apparently because it offers a better view. Also if you bought the hotel package, check into the hotel on the day of the show and the show is then subsequently cancelled, the hotel part of your package is non-refundable (but if you don’t check in and the show is cancelled then it is refundable). Add all that to the fact that even if she does the show, she might not come on stage until midnight. On a plus side, tickets seem have sold well - some shows are down to single seats only on ticket master. On the flip side though, if she cancels there’s not many left to buy on another date. This could be the single scariest post I have ever read on the internet...
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Post by ptwest on Jan 23, 2020 20:08:39 GMT
London is about to get very messy. They haven’t contacted anyone who is supposed to be attending the soundcheck (that’s 300 people per show), there’s possible last minute cancellations looming, tickets haven’t been issued, resale has been forbidden, and now I’ve been informed those who bought front row packages have been informed they have been moved as far back as row H, apparently because it offers a better view. Also if you bought the hotel package, check into the hotel on the day of the show and the show is then subsequently cancelled, the hotel part of your package is non-refundable (but if you don’t check in and the show is cancelled then it is refundable). Add all that to the fact that even if she does the show, she might not come on stage until midnight. I've made no secret of the fact on this forum that I am a long term fan, and that I am booked in for this tour. But all the things you have listed here show what an absolute mess this has become. No doubt this was all in the small print when booking (ie possibility of seats being moved and the hotel issue etc) but all this, added to the bad press that has already happened makes this a PR disaster. Her adding instagram posts of doing fun things when shows have been cancelled really feels insensitive to those who are missing out. But the reality is this. It was my choice and mine alone to choose to book, and I did that based on the great time I have had at the majority of her concerts that I have been to. For the weekend I have booked to see Madonna I have also booked to see Hamilton, and will be running the London 10k the day after, so I will be travelling to London anyway. So if the concert is cancelled, for me personally it will be very disappointing but the weekend will not be ruined. But, if the concert goes ahead, I cannot get a refund or afford to write off the money so choosing not to go is not an option. So the choice is to sit there and deliberately not enjoy it because the whole situation has been such a mess, or embrace the moment and enjoy myself - which is exactly what I intend to do. Its not like I'm sitting here now wondering whether or not to book, that deal was done many months ago.
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Post by intoanewlife on Jan 23, 2020 20:23:07 GMT
London is about to get very messy. They haven’t contacted anyone who is supposed to be attending the soundcheck (that’s 300 people per show), there’s possible last minute cancellations looming, tickets haven’t been issued, resale has been forbidden, and now I’ve been informed those who bought front row packages have been informed they have been moved as far back as row H, apparently because it offers a better view. Also if you bought the hotel package, check into the hotel on the day of the show and the show is then subsequently cancelled, the hotel part of your package is non-refundable (but if you don’t check in and the show is cancelled then it is refundable). Add all that to the fact that even if she does the show, she might not come on stage until midnight. I've made no secret of the fact on this forum that I am a long term fan, and that I am booked in for this tour. But all the things you have listed here show what an absolute mess this has become. No doubt this was all in the small print when booking (ie possibility of seats being moved and the hotel issue etc) but all this, added to the bad press that has already happened makes this a PR disaster. Her adding instagram posts of doing fun things when shows have been cancelled really feels insensitive to those who are missing out. But the reality is this. It was my choice and mine alone to choose to book, and I did that based on the great time I have had at the majority of her concerts that I have been to. For the weekend I have booked to see Madonna I have also booked to see Hamilton, and will be running the London 10k the day after, so I will be travelling to London anyway. So if the concert is cancelled, for me personally it will be very disappointing but the weekend will not be ruined. But, if the concert goes ahead, I cannot get a refund or afford to write off the money so choosing not to go is not an option. So the choice is to sit there and deliberately not enjoy it because the whole situation has been such a mess, or embrace the moment and enjoy myself - which is exactly what I intend to do. Its not like I'm sitting here now wondering whether or not to book, that deal was done many months ago. But on the plus side, it's almost sold out, so she's doing it to as many people as she possibly can...toying with them...collecting the interest on their money until the last minute when she finally pulls the rug out from under neath them. But she might decide to show up...if it's worth it for her financially...so hang in there...what an absolute trooper she is. x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:27:58 GMT
But on the plus side, it's almost sold out, so she's doing it to as many people as she possibly can...toying with them...collecting the interest on their money until the last minute when she finally pulls the rug out from under neath them. But she might decide to show up...if it's worth it for her financially...so hang in there...what an absolute trooper she is. x Did she cancel on you previously or something? The bitterness quite frankly is unreal. Cancelling a show - any show - is never great. I’ve sadly had shows cancelled on me, shows I’ve travelled to and paid additional costs for, and it’s not nice. But the reality is Madonna is injured and if she can do a show she will do it. this isn't some sort of code for bad ticket sales - box office results have started coming in and both her sales and grosses have been incredible for a theatre show. London too is mostly down to ‘low availability’ on Ticketmaster too. Looking at her schedule I actually believe my show will be cancelled. She is struggling to do more than one show in a row at the moment so sadly it is what it is - shows get cancelled when the artist is unable to perform and it’s been that way for decades. Madonna fans have been spoilt actually in that this is her first tour (in almost 40 years) where she has had to cancel shows regularly for illness or injury. Even then, she’s only actually cancelled 9 Madame X shows. The only silver lining of course is that she’s only playing small venues - so the number of people unable to see a show is around 2000 per cancellation, rather than the usual 10,000+ she plays to (50,000+ when she does stadium shows). Doesn’t make it any less disappointing, but any other tour we’d have been talking tens of thousands of fans.
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Post by danb on Jan 24, 2020 21:59:40 GMT
But on the plus side, it's almost sold out, so she's doing it to as many people as she possibly can...toying with them...collecting the interest on their money until the last minute when she finally pulls the rug out from under neath them. But she might decide to show up...if it's worth it for her financially...so hang in there...what an absolute trooper she is. x Did she cancel on you previously or something? The bitterness quite frankly is unreal. Cancelling a show - any show - is never great. I’ve sadly had shows cancelled on me, shows I’ve travelled to and paid additional costs for, and it’s not nice. But the reality is Madonna is injured and if she can do a show she will do it. this isn't some sort of code for bad ticket sales - box office results have started coming in and both her sales and grosses have been incredible for a theatre show. London too is mostly down to ‘low availability’ on Ticketmaster too. Looking at her schedule I actually believe my show will be cancelled. She is struggling to do more than one show in a row at the moment so sadly it is what it is - shows get cancelled when the artist is unable to perform and it’s been that way for decades. Madonna fans have been spoilt actually in that this is her first tour (in almost 40 years) where she has had to cancel shows regularly for illness or injury. Even then, she’s only actually cancelled 9 Madame X shows. The only silver lining of course is that she’s only playing small venues - so the number of people unable to see a show is around 2000 per cancellation, rather than the usual 10,000+ she plays to (50,000+ when she does stadium shows). Doesn’t make it any less disappointing, but any other tour we’d have been talking tens of thousands of fans. @kevin there isn’t a silver lining. If she doesn’t think she can do it she should cancel the lot...not just play fast and loose with those expecting a night out.
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