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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:10:04 GMT
I move all the time if its convenient and there are empty seats. Most of the Pinter at the pinter I moved from pillar seats to middle of stall seats, and I always move in the interval if I don't like my seat. Someone got shirty with me when I took their seat at the interval at the barbican cos they turned up late, but if you turn up for the second act, that's your problem. My feeling is, either they had sold the seat and the person hasn't turned up, so no loss of money for the theatre. Or they couldn't sell the ticket, they aren't getting the money anyway, and at least one of their customers is having a better time at a lower price The Old Vic really are knobheads about moving people. Young Vic and Royal Court on the other hand are lovely about it. National are 50/50 Oh no. No no no no no. If you don't like your seat, pay for a new one. I'm guessing the pillar seats are cheaper so if you only want to spend the least amount of money then I'm afraid you should stay stuck behind a pillar. Most theatres nowadays tell you if your seat is a restricted one. If they don't and you've also been charged full price for what turns out to be a restricted view then that is a different matter and it should be taken up with the Duty Manager. If one knowingly books a cheap ticket, more often than not there is a reason for that fact. Like it or lump it I'm afraid. And quite right that someone got shirty with you when you took their seat at the interval. I've paid for a ticket, if I want to turn up 5 minutes before the end of the show then I jolly well have the right to do so. If you're in my seat at whatever time I arrive you'll either get my backside on your lap or the used lemon slice from my G&T in your eye.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:36:57 GMT
Someone got shirty with me when I took their seat at the interval at the barbican cos they turned up late, but if you turn up for the second act, that's your problem. What? Oh no. No no no no no. That's not how it works. If you're late, you're still entitled to seat in the seat you paid for. ETA: lmao just noticed both Ryan and I began with an "oh no, no no no no no".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:43:44 GMT
I think there's a difference between shuffling up a few seats in the row you're in at an opportune moment after the show has started or in the interval to be a bit more central (absolutely no problem with that, I'd do it myself, or sometimes the opposite to get an empty aisle seat!) and bring presumptuous enough to assume that an empty seat somewhere else in the theatre by a minute before the show starts means no-one will be turning up for that seat, and therefore moving into it. Ummm, I don't see the difference myself. Moving into an empty seat that you didn't pay for is the same thing, whether it's the one next to you or diving into an empty seat somewhere else in the theatre.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:46:05 GMT
In fairness people should in fact be paying extra for that kind of service. (quote fail, but Ryan in anyone's lap is for sure an 'added extra' perhaps of a different kind of offence)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:48:13 GMT
In fairness people should in fact be paying extra for that kind of service. (quote fail, but Ryan in anyone's lap is for sure an 'added extra' perhaps of a different kind of offence) Sometimes I like to give Joe Public what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:49:18 GMT
There's a massive difference between observing that by the interval you are the only one within about 5 rows, and asking an usher if you can move. Or half your row being empty and asking 'may I move to the end for some legroom and a quick exit' and presuming you have the right to leap into a seat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:49:42 GMT
In fairness people should in fact be paying extra for that kind of service. (quote fail, but Ryan in anyone's lap is for sure an 'added extra' perhaps of a different kind of offence) Sometimes I like to give Joe Public what they want. Premium seating darling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:50:04 GMT
I mean, as laws and rules go, this is obviously one of the more benign ones when broken, and I'm sure a great many of us have done it with no ill consequences, but I think if you're going to go to the theatre enough and consider moving seats enough, then you should be aware of what you're doing, ideally you should ask permission rather than just taking the gamble, and you should be completely willing to accept that the answer may be "no" or that the usher may ask you to move back to your original seat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:51:30 GMT
Sometimes I like to give Joe Public what they want. Premium seating darling. V.I.P.
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Post by londonmzfitz on Apr 29, 2019 12:16:51 GMT
I had a friend bail on a show at Wembley Arena a few years ago, but other friends were going (in different seats). I waited at Wembley station to walk down with them - mistake, they were running late - and arrived during the first act (of four) on stage ... to find my second row seat(s) were occupied by a couple of chancers. No biggie, I crouched down out of the way of other punters, pointed out they were in my seats - and they didn't move, refused to make eye contact, despite others around tsk'ing and tut'ing .... I actually had to find an usher to ush them off back to their own seats about 10 rows behind. I mean, jeez, what did they think I was going to do, shrug and go home?
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2019 12:33:52 GMT
Any actors on this thread? What do you prefer, a yawning gap in the stalls or occupied seats? When it's a show that's had a lukewarm reception and the place is sparsely occupied I'd have thought those on stage would be glad to see some enthusiastic faces in the good seats.
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 29, 2019 12:48:16 GMT
I went through a period of flying domestic a lot for work, often on those very small propeller aircraft where it’s 2-1 seat layout and damned uncomfortable. Asking to move to an empty row would sometimes just get a cheery, “yes after take- off thats fine” to all sorts of nonsense from some fascist-in-a-fleece crew member. “No, it’s for safety reasons” ”No, it affects the trim the aircraft” ”I’ll have to ask the captain but he/she will probably say no because...” If there was a consistent answer then fine* but given that there wasn’t I have to assume they just enjoyed being difficult.
*apart from the one about the trim. I’ll never believe that me moving one row, which is about 30” is going to send the plane off balance and into some fatal tailspin because a)the crew are shoving a trolley full of over priced butties up and down the aisle without incident and b)if I went down the back and parked myself on the loo for 10 minutes (as many do) we’d all be quite safe.
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Post by TallPaul on Apr 29, 2019 12:50:49 GMT
I've noticed that many of the theatres I visit regularly now drip-release seats, so the seats at the front, those most visible to the actors, should always, in theory, be occupied.
This is the Stephen Joseph Theatre's approach:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:02:22 GMT
I'm not an actor, so I don't know how they feel about audience members so generously risking being told off or even removed from the auditorium by selflessly moving their way from behind a pillar in the circle where the actors might not see them to a plum seat in centre stalls so the actors know that they're being supported, but I'm certainly enjoying the way people are explaining these motivations, which are apparently only ever altruistic and never have anything to do with the fact the stalls seat has a better view.
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Post by asfound on Apr 29, 2019 13:05:44 GMT
I've moved seats at the Old Vic before. In the packed upper circle the side slips were deserted and I like as few people around me as possible because I'm anti-social and people get on my nerves easily. Granted I was actually moving into a worse seat than the one I had but the usher was fine with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:11:30 GMT
I think there's a difference between shuffling up a few seats in the row you're in at an opportune moment after the show has started or in the interval to be a bit more central (absolutely no problem with that, I'd do it myself, or sometimes the opposite to get an empty aisle seat!) and bring presumptuous enough to assume that an empty seat somewhere else in the theatre by a minute before the show starts means no-one will be turning up for that seat, and therefore moving into it. Ummm, I don't see the difference myself. Moving into an empty seat that you didn't pay for is the same thing, whether it's the one next to you or diving into an empty seat somewhere else in the theatre. Ah but I didn't say anything about price - a lot of the time the whole row is the same price, so what actually is the harm in moving a few seats more central in that case?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Apr 29, 2019 13:12:27 GMT
When you get on the train to find the reservations aren’t working, so you settle yourself into any old seat. Then someone comes along with their ticket and says “I’m terribly sorry I think you’re in my seat” and you look down the carriage....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:26:19 GMT
I've moved seats at the Old Vic before. In the packed upper circle the side slips were deserted and I like as few people around me as possible because I'm anti-social and people get on my nerves easily. Granted I was actually moving into a worse seat than the one I had but the usher was fine with it. Sometimes a downgrade is SO much better. From my grand circle seat for The Ferryman, I lost a whole aunt and the entire dining table. From the standing space at the back of the stalls, where the usher gave me permission to move to, I only lost the very top of the stairs.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2019 13:55:52 GMT
I'm not an actor, so I don't know how they feel about audience members so generously risking being told off or even removed from the auditorium by selflessly moving their way from behind a pillar in the circle where the actors might not see them to a plum seat in centre stalls so the actors know that they're being supported, but I'm certainly enjoying the way people are explaining these motivations, which are apparently only ever altruistic and never have anything to do with the fact the stalls seat has a better view. Why do you doubt my comment about actors? I've often sat in theatres seeing marmite shows, especially previews, where many haven't returned at half time and I sit there wondering how bad the actors must feel when all the faces disappear. Similarly, travelling from Liverpool I have to book theatre trips well in advance to get cheap rail fares, weeks before reviews come out, and find myself sitting in a theatre seeing a production that looked good on paper but got bad reviews and the theatre is only half full or worse. I detest Giles Coren but do know what he means about theatre making him anxious for the actors, though sensitivity to others' feelings isn't something I've ever credited Coren with - I even get worried when there's an onstage costume change in case a zip sticks or a sleeve is inside out. If my seat is a bit crap because it's a sold out show (travelling, Sat Mats are my only do-able date but these sell out fast to members), I ask at the box office if there have been any last minute returns and sometimes get lucky. These are the SAME PRICE as the one I had. I always book stalls or front circle: I've learned that if I'm going to shell out £50 travelling and take a day out of my life I'm not going to go so far to see a show from behind a pillar or the top of a favourite actor's head. Special mention to the Soho Theatre, where the ushers went unbidden to all the people in the slips and moved them to unfilled stalls seats. They actually got the best seats in the house (and no, I didn't move to one). Great for the audience and nice for the actors who don't have two empty benches in their eyeline (I spoke to the actors in the bar afterwards and they commented about a woman who left 20 mins before the end - they thought she'd been offended by the content: I told them it was because she was unwell, which was true - she was sick in the bogs and upset about missing the end.) Btw, I never sit in unoccupied front seats because sometimes an actor uses them during a show or a celeb is ushered in at the last minute. But I will shift sideways to an empty seat at the Almeida or Donmar if (sod's law) the person in front is tall. I'm not.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2019 13:58:52 GMT
I think you’re in my seat” Yeah, but I have OCD and a favourite seat - best view, best legroom, table, power point, less chance of being coughed on and not near the bog... (so saying, I've only ever asked someone to move when the quiet carriage has been full and it's clearly labelled reserved)
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Post by zahidf on Apr 29, 2019 14:13:54 GMT
I move all the time if its convenient and there are empty seats. Most of the Pinter at the pinter I moved from pillar seats to middle of stall seats, and I always move in the interval if I don't like my seat. Someone got shirty with me when I took their seat at the interval at the barbican cos they turned up late, but if you turn up for the second act, that's your problem. My feeling is, either they had sold the seat and the person hasn't turned up, so no loss of money for the theatre. Or they couldn't sell the ticket, they aren't getting the money anyway, and at least one of their customers is having a better time at a lower price The Old Vic really are knobheads about moving people. Young Vic and Royal Court on the other hand are lovely about it. National are 50/50 Oh no. No no no no no. If you don't like your seat, pay for a new one. I'm guessing the pillar seats are cheaper so if you only want to spend the least amount of money then I'm afraid you should stay stuck behind a pillar. Most theatres nowadays tell you if your seat is a restricted one. If they don't and you've also been charged full price for what turns out to be a restricted view then that is a different matter and it should be taken up with the Duty Manager. If one knowingly books a cheap ticket, more often than not there is a reason for that fact. Like it or lump it I'm afraid. And quite right that someone got shirty with you when you took their seat at the interval. I've paid for a ticket, if I want to turn up 5 minutes before the end of the show then I jolly well have the right to do so. If you're in my seat at whatever time I arrive you'll either get my backside on your lap or the used lemon slice from my G&T in your eye. Oh, I moved when told: most the time when it happens, I just act confused and move back.
I'm not pretending to be altruistic: I paid for a cheap seat and want a better seat if I can get it. If its free, then I don't see the harm really.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 15:30:41 GMT
I think I’ve moved twice in my life. The first I literally moved to the seat next to me (which was the row end seat) and had to move back when they turned up 20 minutes late. I believe that was Pygmalion at the Garrick.
The second time was Some People (I think) with Imelda Staunton. I had a front row seat and took ill half way into act one. When I returned to stalls I just took an seat at the back of the stalls which were empty anyway. No one bat an eyelid.
Personally I get annoyed when people move seat - not so much because they are trying to get a better seat, but because some people make it absolutely obvious that they’re looking for an alternative seat that you can’t help but hope they can’t find one.
Maybe if I wasn’t a regular theatre goer I’d be more inclined to move, but years of experience mean I now book the right seat at the right price for me: I know my budget and I know which seats are good value (in terms of view) within that limit. I’m very rarely disappointed with a seat I’ve booked nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 16:01:39 GMT
I think I’ve moved twice in my life. My first thought was "Wow, that's taking couch-potatoism to an extreme".
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Post by alece10 on Apr 29, 2019 16:04:02 GMT
I worked in a small theatre for a number of years and we used to "dress" the theatre if not full. So make sure front and center were full by moving people in from the far ends to the centre of rows or moving people down. It looked better from and audience and actors view. Of course, some people liked to stay where they were which was fine.
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Post by crowblack on Apr 29, 2019 16:14:40 GMT
I worked in a small theatre for a number of years and we used to "dress" the theatre if not full. When I lived in London a BBC friend would sometimes ask us to come in to make up numbers for recordings with unattractive subjects.
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