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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2021 20:41:09 GMT
For me,this works better on stage than as a film. On stage you can get away with certain things, but there's something about the way the songs are filmed, the natural style they went for that doesn't quite work. Ben Platt doesnt really look that much older in the film, or maybe i just got used to it as the film went on.
On stage, you appreciate the singing, the emotion, the effort it takes. On film, Ben Platt's vocal ticks, while dialed down, still look weird. As someone else asked, were they live vocals or recorded? Unfortunately he sounds like a bleating sheep during Words Fail. I liked all the cast, the Murphys felt like a family, and thankfully Alana is not the annoying character she is on stage. I felt that Julianne Moore suddenly singing seemed forced. The film does attempt to redeem Evan and it certainly goes a long way to help, but i still have jssues with the main plot point of him lying at the start.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 23, 2021 20:59:10 GMT
Some of Evan's songs definitely sounded live. Words Fail, for sure, and If I Could Tell Her as well. Basically any song that didn't have lots of cuts or movement in it.
I still say that Evan's actions aren't deliberately deceitful or malicious. He doesn't set out to hurt anyone. It's a misunderstanding that he should've corrected but it got out of hand too quickly, and then he panicked. Yes he shouldn't have created all of the emails, but again it wasn't done to hurt the Murphys. Then once he felt connected to them, he didn't want to risk losing it all. He's naive and foolish and an idiot, but he's not a bad person. The Murphys were broken, even before Connor's death, and Evan's actions (however ill-advised) did help them to heal.
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Post by robertb213 on Sept 24, 2021 10:15:12 GMT
Film soundtrack now available on Spotify 😁
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Post by danielwhit on Sept 24, 2021 21:53:15 GMT
Some of Evan's songs definitely sounded live. Words Fail, for sure, and If I Could Tell Her as well. Basically any song that didn't have lots of cuts or movement in it. I still say that Evan's actions aren't deliberately deceitful or malicious. He doesn't set out to hurt anyone. It's a misunderstanding that he should've corrected but it got out of hand too quickly, and then he panicked. Yes he shouldn't have created all of the emails, but again it wasn't done to hurt the Murphys. Then once he felt connected to them, he didn't want to risk losing it all. He's naive and foolish and an idiot, but he's not a bad person. The Murphys were broken, even before Connor's death, and Evan's actions (however ill-advised) did help them to heal. Very true about Evan's actions. He's caught up in a bizarre situation and does what he thinks is best by letting the family believe the letter is what they think it is. And let's be honest about his initial lie, how many of us would actually turn around and say "no, sorry, I just fancy your daughter and your son killed himself with that letter in his pocket"? I suspect very few of us who were in a position to write that letter in the first place would have anything like the confidence required to put them right at that moment in the headteacher's office. After that, everything snowballs. The email writing is the big mess up - but again that's him trying to protect the fact he lied initially (and not reveal the "weird sex letter" as Jared puts it). What I did like in the film was how the "suicide note" release feels much more regretful from all sides - on stage it feels like Evan regrets this predominantly because it's messed up his relationship with Zoe, but on film you see the impact on the family much more and consequently redials what we see as Evan's own feelings. Alana seems much more a balanced and considerate character on film too, you can see her wondering whether to release that image or not, and regretting the impact it has very quickly afterwards. I also think the relationship arc with Zoe makes far more sense here, and removes that predatory angle of Evan. I genuinely have never had an issue with the structure of it on stage - however now seeing the film (and letting myself digest it somewhat) I do think the film has the better final act. Several reasons: there's more effort to put right the mistakes on Evan's side, we learn more about why the truth never came out (which demonstrates the Murphy's are still empathetic to Evan), we see more of how things are at school (including Evan's relationship with Zoe) and Evan doesn't miraculously get forgiven for no other reason than time heals. Time does heal, but not usually as much as the stage version wants us to believe! Some sections of the film are still pretty cringeworthy though, I don't need to see Evan galloping in the woods any more.
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Post by scarpia on Sept 26, 2021 11:57:41 GMT
I genuinely have never had an issue with the structure of it on stage - however now seeing the film (and letting myself digest it somewhat) I do think the film has the better final act. Several reasons: there's more effort to put right the mistakes on Evan's side, we learn more about why the truth never came out (which demonstrates the Murphy's are still empathetic to Evan), we see more of how things are at school (including Evan's relationship with Zoe) and Evan doesn't miraculously get forgiven for no other reason than time heals. Time does heal, but not usually as much as the stage version wants us to believe! This was always my biggest issue with the stage show. We get a fast forward that glosses over the consequences of his actions seemingly so that we don't question him as the hero of the story, when his actions are questionable. I watched the film with some dread yesterday given the reviews but it wasn't as bad as I feared, and in terms of the above, it is better than the stage show in that regard. Platt looks out of place though in the film and while his singing is great, his constant eye-shutting gets annoying. I think the direction was also bland and unimaginative; a million shots of school corridors with lockers and that trip to the trees...when they could have opened out the space a bit more given the medium. I didn't miss the songs that were cut. But the new one for Alana was bland and boring and seemed deliberately written to become some kind of tokenistic anthem for anxious teenagers. The transitions to songs seemed to jar somehow with the naturalistic take of it all.
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Post by danb on Sept 26, 2021 17:06:32 GMT
I’m starting to think that DEH won’t age at all well, and won’t enter the canon of classic musicals. Society has been so self obsessed and neurotic this past 5 years that something equally as self absorbed has found favour. It spoke to me for a bit, but now I find it a bit forced. I’m going again in December to try and connect a bit more.
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Post by sph on Sept 26, 2021 18:19:46 GMT
I’m starting to think that DEH won’t age at all well, and won’t enter the canon of classic musicals. Society has been so self obsessed and neurotic this past 5 years that something equally as self absorbed has found favour. It spoke to me for a bit, but now I find it a bit forced. I’m going again in December to try and connect a bit more. Yes, it's a very zeitgeist-y show. It captured a particular moment where there were lots of conversations about mental health and social media going on. But the landscape of technology and social media is constantly changing and this show may become less relevant and resonate with fewer members of its young potential fanbase as time goes on.
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Post by Theatre Fan on Oct 11, 2021 13:40:34 GMT
Now we know why OG West cast member David Breeds isn't returning. He's sharing the lead role of Christopher, in the upcoming UK tour of The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time x
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Post by anthem on Oct 14, 2021 11:50:54 GMT
Maybe this has been discussed already but I wonder if the movie has damaged the show's reputation/future prospects or people will just see the show based on its own reputation?
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Post by alece10 on Oct 20, 2021 17:21:30 GMT
Metro gave the film a 2 star rating today.
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 17:29:26 GMT
I just can't get over how old Ben Platt looks. I appreciate it's a musical and we have to suspend disbelief anyway, but is there a limit? Why did Platt have to be cast?
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Post by h86 on Oct 20, 2021 18:12:26 GMT
I just can't get over how old Ben Platt looks. I appreciate it's a musical and we have to suspend disbelief anyway, but is there a limit? Why did Platt have to be cast? Because his dad is the producer….
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Post by talkingheads on Oct 20, 2021 18:28:01 GMT
I just can't get over how old Ben Platt looks. I appreciate it's a musical and we have to suspend disbelief anyway, but is there a limit? Why did Platt have to be cast? Because his dad is the producer…. Ah.
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Post by robertb213 on Oct 20, 2021 19:26:42 GMT
From Vanity Fair...
"Chbosky said. “His understanding of the character is so complete and so profound. I couldn’t imagine anybody else playing it. It’s his part. I felt very strongly about it. And to me it was never even a consideration.”
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Post by danb on Oct 20, 2021 20:05:15 GMT
Financially it makes sense.
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Post by sph on Oct 20, 2021 22:10:51 GMT
I just can't get over how old Ben Platt looks. I appreciate it's a musical and we have to suspend disbelief anyway, but is there a limit? Why did Platt have to be cast? I think they over-egged the pudding slightly in trying to make him look young. Almost everything they did to make him look young... actually made him look old. The hair, the make-up etc...
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Post by Being Alive on Oct 20, 2021 22:15:48 GMT
Looks like Kenickie in Grease...
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Post by fiyero on Oct 21, 2021 6:36:35 GMT
I was looking forward to seeing the movie version on Friday. The only showing at my cinema is like 4pm! Every day it is on it’s either around 4 (too early!) or 9 (too late!) Where’s Goldilocks when I need her?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2021 6:46:10 GMT
Three perfs at VUE Manchester. 11.30, 4.50, 7.15. They’re not going to make any box office off it like that! The cinema release is obviously a half arsed pre-Netflix thing.
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Post by Figaro on Oct 21, 2021 9:36:17 GMT
No showings at all at either of the 3 large cinemas in my city.
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Post by fiyero on Oct 21, 2021 17:17:02 GMT
Three perfs at VUE Manchester. 11.30, 4.50, 7.15. They’re not going to make any box office off it like that! The cinema release is obviously a half arsed pre-Netflix thing. Three a day or 3 total? Mine has one a day
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Oct 21, 2021 17:22:13 GMT
Three perfs at VUE Manchester. 11.30, 4.50, 7.15. They’re not going to make any box office off it like that! The cinema release is obviously a half arsed pre-Netflix thing. Three a day or 3 total? Mine has one a day Per day, well tomorrow anyway. Compared with other new releases Venom - 22 perfs and Dune 23 perfs tomorrow. One wonders who is seeing Venom: Let There Be Carnage at ten o’clock in the morning!
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Post by fiyero on Oct 21, 2021 17:25:16 GMT
Three a day or 3 total? Mine has one a day Per day, well tomorrow anyway. Compared with other new releases Venom - 22 perfs and Dune 23 perfs tomorrow. One wonders who is seeing Venom: Let There Be Carnage at ten o’clock in the morning! Bond was getting more than 10 a day here. At least it is getting a release, unlike Jamie!
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Post by amp09 on Oct 22, 2021 0:00:03 GMT
Per day, well tomorrow anyway. Compared with other new releases Venom - 22 perfs and Dune 23 perfs tomorrow. One wonders who is seeing Venom: Let There Be Carnage at ten o’clock in the morning! Bond was getting more than 10 a day here. At least it is getting a release, unlike Jamie! This was planned to be shown at my cinema. Pulled in favour of more Bond and other better reviewed releases - French Dispatch and Dune, It”s all about what’ll put bums on seats and after the scathing reviews, this sadly won’t.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 22, 2021 21:45:48 GMT
Just got back from seeing this at the cinema.
Only about 9 people in the audience and half way through two women walked out.
It's a relatively long film- just over 2 hours long.
On film, the way the lie spreads via social media is well demonstrated.
The singing seems natural and not forced.
I guess given the subject matter, there is only once (minor) dance routine in Sincerely, Me..
Although the the whole scene is there- to Break In A Glove has been cut. As has Anyone Have A Map
There is another song added called The Anonymous Ones.
What an odd and unique actor Ben Platt is. Full of spasms and facial twitches. His voice is also pretty unique.
You can see that they have tried to make him younger than he is. In some scenes at the beginning of the film, he looks ghostly white. In other scenes you can see his 5 o'clock shadow.
Amy Adams looks a little heavier set than usual whereas Julianne Moore is aged. Before anyone asks, yes, Julianne Moore does sing in So Big/So Small.
I have to admit, at times, as the lie grows at such a pace, it made me squirm in my seat and made me feel a little uncomfortable.
People will argue as to whether this is a faithful adaptation or not, I was pleased that another movie musical has been made with the male lead.
Go and see it if you can and make your own mind up.
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Post by sph on Oct 22, 2021 22:11:48 GMT
I'm surprised Does Anybody Have a Map has been cut, as most musicals try to start with a more "upbeat" number.
I think it'll get decent views online when people can watch it as part of their streaming subscription.
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2021 10:10:41 GMT
Showing on TodayTix that this will have £30 rush when it reopens. Lets hope it lasts longer than the rush for other Delfont shows.
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Post by fiyerorocher on Oct 23, 2021 13:12:00 GMT
I worry it's really not selling very well... I wonder if it's anything to do with the film tanking so hard, or if it's just a victim of the fewer tourists and fewer people being happy going to the theatre problem. Rush tickets might stick around, though, if they're that desperate to fill seats.
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Post by anthony40 on Oct 23, 2021 16:59:08 GMT
You know I was thinking two things about the film;
Firstly, I wonder if the cut sings were actually filmed and they then might turn uo as deleted scenes on the DVD/Blu-Ray release?
Finally, given that he's moved on to bigger things, now that he's committed the character to film, do we think this will be Ben Platt's last outing as Evan Hansen?
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Post by Mark on Oct 23, 2021 21:44:08 GMT
Seems pretty much sold out the first week to me…
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