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Post by BurlyBeaR on Mar 7, 2019 17:18:22 GMT
Did anyone see that Netflix documentary Abducted In Plain Sight?
It’s about a female child who was abducted by an abuser, but the abuser was also grooming the parents and was sexually involved with both of them as well as the child.
It was a right eye opener 😐
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 17:25:45 GMT
I watched a little bit of this last night and intend to catch up with it, but my it has been interesting watching the Jackson fandom defend him today (even from the peripheries where as it's leaked into my newsfeeds). It is a fascinating thing isn't it, who is and isn't defended in these cases and after death etc.
Obviously not having watched it all yet I can't form a full opinion, but from what I saw I had little reason to doubt the men involved, and I've no doubt their families were 'seduced' as much as they were.
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Post by crowblack on Mar 7, 2019 17:47:37 GMT
He built the whole families trust and gradually erased all their boundaries It wasn't from a standing start - the mother who brings home a 'making of Thriller' VHS and lets her 5 year old obsessively view it (zombies, sexual threat content), makes him an outfit, takes him and enters him, two years underage, in a dance competition to meet Jackson... I think there's a part of the human brain hard wired for obsessive cultish / religious behaviour and sexual abusers of all kinds have used this over centuries, millennia... |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 7, 2019 18:17:46 GMT
Everyone I can guarantee sing from the same song sheet on here, if someone is not guilty they they should be free to lead there lives, but guilty should feel the whole force of the law and if they die can be wronged and condemned in death. Celebrity guilt is a differcult one and one hard to delievered justice because of public afffections, thinking of Harry Rednapp tax dodging and John Terry racial abuse walked, as did Jeremy Thorpe, where he was played marvellously by Hugh Grant in the recent tv drama. So for celebrities you need a higher burden of proof. The monster that was Jimmy Saville was one of the most litigious and when confronted by Louis Theroux, he merely pointed out ‘who do you think paid for that brand new kitchen’. That part got edited out! There is no doubt there was a celebrity sex ring, involving Cyril Smith, Ted Heath etc, but all too big and powerfulto be prosecuted. Michael Jackson allegations have been there over the years and have never gone away, when he was first arrested, he paid for his victim silence, this doesn’t help Michael. I'd agree with that if you changed no doubt for allegedly |
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Post by theglenbucklaird on Mar 7, 2019 18:27:47 GMT
Just heard a Muller yoghurt advert with Jacksons music. Feels weird
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:38:25 GMT
Turns out, for Part 1, more people in the UK watched than in the US. 2.4 million of us watched last night, as opposed to the 1.3 million watching in the US. Over a million difference. What I have found interesting reading and watching interviews today, alot of Americans seem to be the ones who don't believe the allegations or at least these versions of allegations, as opposed to the UK viewers who either seem divided or more in believing these allegations. It's interesting to see so many opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:47:44 GMT
Anyone else clock the Starlight Express T-Shirt towards the beginning? haha.
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Post by Jon on Mar 7, 2019 18:48:51 GMT
Turns out, for Part 1, more people in the UK watched than in the US. 2.4 million of us watched last night, as opposed to the 1.3 million watching in the US. Over a million difference. What I have found interesting reading and watching interviews today, alot of Americans seem to be the ones who don't believe the allegations or at least these versions of allegations, as opposed to the UK viewers who either seem divided or more in believing these allegations. It's interesting to see so many opinions. TBF in the US, it's on HBO which has a smaller reach than Channel 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:57:12 GMT
Turns out, for Part 1, more people in the UK watched than in the US. 2.4 million of us watched last night, as opposed to the 1.3 million watching in the US. Over a million difference. What I have found interesting reading and watching interviews today, alot of Americans seem to be the ones who don't believe the allegations or at least these versions of allegations, as opposed to the UK viewers who either seem divided or more in believing these allegations. It's interesting to see so many opinions. TBF in the US, it's on HBO which has a smaller reach than Channel 4. Oh I'm aware.  just thought it was interesting to match as maybe there are some people who don't want to watch it because they have made their mind up either side and don't want to watch for that opinion to be changed. |
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Post by callum on Mar 7, 2019 19:55:07 GMT
As shown in the doc, Jackson's trips to the Reagan White House made his story seem like an archetypal 'American Dream'. Perhaps US audiences aren't as keen to see him exposed like this.
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Post by lynette on Mar 7, 2019 20:14:34 GMT
We had Jimmy Saville so I suppose in the U.K. nobody is sacred anymore.
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Post by johartuk on Mar 7, 2019 21:15:50 GMT
Just heard a Muller yoghurt advert with Jacksons music. Feels weird I'm surprised they haven't pulled that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 21:20:37 GMT
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Post by kathryn on Mar 7, 2019 23:13:44 GMT
Terrible stuff. I hope they and their families manage to heal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 0:05:31 GMT
I gotta sleep on this one. I still don't know how I feel.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 8, 2019 0:15:00 GMT
Not sure why she felt it necessary to make that post. As far as I am aware, she is not an expert in the field of childhood sexual assault and how victims come to tell their stories later in life. People are able to make a judgement as to the credibility of the accounts made in the documentary. I certainly did - and I found both key witnesses compelling. Will they ever be able to obtain justice through the courts? No. Have they been heard? Absolutely. I don't find her sort of contribution helpful given the complexity of the issues at stake. |
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 8, 2019 4:39:30 GMT
I would recommend trying to watch After Neverland - Oprah's interview with the two men and the director. It does add to our understanding.
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 8, 2019 8:08:59 GMT
TBF in the US, it's on HBO which has a smaller reach than Channel 4. Oh I'm aware. just thought it was interesting to match as maybe there are some people who don't want to watch it because they have made their mind up either side and don't want to watch for that opinion to be changed.
Pay TV vs "free" to air....
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 8, 2019 8:09:57 GMT
Anyone else clock the Starlight Express T-Shirt towards the beginning? haha.
yep! Was desperately trying to get a closer look!
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 8, 2019 8:10:57 GMT
As shown in the doc, Jackson's trips to the Reagan White House made his story seem like an archetypal 'American Dream'. Perhaps US audiences aren't as keen to see him exposed like this.
I agree, and also the race dimension muddies the waters somewhat too. Racial politics more of an issue in the US.
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Post by nash16 on Mar 8, 2019 9:37:59 GMT
Will the tourists still flock to THRILLER LIVE! though?
And how long will it stay open?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 12:36:48 GMT
Will the tourists still flock to THRILLER LIVE! though? And how long will it stay open? Shouldn't the question now be whether the tourists should have the *opportunity* to still flock to 'Thriller Live'? Time for the producers to put money second in this situation methinks. Also I wonder how the cast of 'Thriller Live' feel now? I know a job is a job but... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 13:08:15 GMT
Will the tourists still flock to THRILLER LIVE! though? And how long will it stay open? Shouldn't the question now be whether the tourists should have the *opportunity* to still flock to 'Thriller Live'? Time for the producers to put money second in this situation methinks. Also I wonder how the cast of 'Thriller Live' feel now? I know a job is a job but... Thriller is more a recognition of the music though, countless people of which contributed to. The biomusical may be more of an issue. |
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Post by wickedgrin on Mar 8, 2019 13:45:49 GMT
Unfortunately Michael Jacksons death was the making of Thriller Live. It opened at the Lyric in London in January 2009 to modest business but then MJ died in the June and sales rocketed!
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Post by distantcousin on Mar 8, 2019 14:00:49 GMT
A pal of mine is 'very high up' in the production company of Thriller. I will keep in touch with him to find out what's developing....
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just thought it was interesting to match as maybe there are some people who don't want to watch it because they have made their mind up either side and don't want to watch for that opinion to be changed.
