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Post by iamamazing on Jun 1, 2019 7:54:51 GMT
Ok performance there only gonna get better as the weeks go on in the run, but I saw the costumes and thought Is this a workout video, with Joseph songs. 😂 Looking forward to it though in July as this is one of my fav Andrew Lloyd Webber shows. |
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Post by alece10 on Jun 1, 2019 7:56:07 GMT
Sheridan and Jason were fine and in a months time they will be a lot better and I thought Joseph has a lot of potential. Bless him.
The "bless him" is a little patronising, given he was the best thing about that performance.
That's the problem with writing something rather than hearing something said as people can interpret it wrongly. Absolutely not said in a patronising way. I thought he was great and think he will make an excellent Joseph. The "bless him" comment was because he was so young and sweet. But at my age anyone under 40 looks young and sweet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 8:03:43 GMT
The "bless him" is a little patronising, given he was the best thing about that performance.
That's the problem with writing something rather than hearing something said as people can interpret it wrongly. Absolutely not said in a patronising way. I thought he was great and think he will make an excellent Joseph. The "bless him" comment was because he was so young and sweet. But at my age anyone under 40 looks young and sweet.
Haha ok, I apologise - I have misinterpreted your comment. 
But I'm looking forward to hearing his full performance of Any Dream Will Do and Close Every Door.
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Post by Joseph Buquet on Jun 1, 2019 8:09:46 GMT
This all reminds me of the time the London cast of Legally Blonde performed on Children In Need, while they were still in their rehearsal period. Few people on here had anything good to say about Sheridan Smith based on that performance - but once the show opened she more than proved herself. So we should probably wait and see...
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Post by greeny11 on Jun 1, 2019 8:29:41 GMT
I never quite get why shows do promo performances when they're literally 1 or 2 weeks into rehearsals - they always come off really badly (because the actors aren't fully comfortable with the material yet) and not a true reflection on how the show will actually be like when it opens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 8:53:16 GMT
Of course they can make it to Broadway. M40, A44, and left at the Fish Hill roundabout. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 9:10:57 GMT
Why people suddenly expect them to be absolutely wonderful singers all of a sudden I am unsure. They are what they are and the casting directors would have been fully aware of their capabilities when they were cast. I think that's the thing - nobody DOES expect them to be wonderful singers all of a sudden as they never have been. It's the producers and casting directors people have issue with. I mean Jason can take it and only has one song anyway. Sheridan absolutely has to carry this show - and to put a mediocre singer in such a tough sing role in a sung through musical isn't fair on her (and her fragile mental health), or the audience. (Though as you say her fan base is massive and very forgiving so it may well not be an issue when it opens). |
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Post by FrontrowverPaul on Jun 1, 2019 9:14:19 GMT
Joseph and TTDC was the musical that first got me hooked on the genre and I've seen it more times than any other show, both professional and amateur presentations. I named my son Joseph and have a great affection for the show and no regrets about the two bookings I have already made for the Palladium.
I do agree that the performances on BGT were disappointing but a few minutes on TV rarely does musical theatre justice. I've seen Six and thought it was wonderful but the three times I've watched excerpts on television would never have inspired me to book the show.
For me Linzi Hateley will always be the definitive Narrator but a very close second is Shanay Holmes who took the role at Kilworth House last summer, which was also my fave Joseph ever. Would love to see her again in the role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 9:16:12 GMT
After watching the performance on BGT, I am glad I didn't spend £80 on a ticket to see this. Like a lot of people here, seeing the 1991 Palladium version was my introduction to musicals, and I think I'd rather just keep my memories of that production instead. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing.  I liked Sheridan Smith in Legally Blonde and Funny Girl, and really like her as an actress and person, but I wasn't excited about her casting in this. And unfortunately last night's performance did nothing to change that. I don't think it's the right role for her, and a bad choice by the production team. In fact, a lot of the choices they seem to have made for this production, based on last night's performance, are bizarre. And Jason Donovan's performance was just weird. Yes, they have only just started rehearsing, and as people have said, these short televised excerpts rarely do a show justice. But still... Completely agree (although I HAVE spent my 80 quid - more than once in fact). Sheridan Smith is a sensational screen actress and also a great MT actress (of the actress that can sing rather than singer that can act category) and is also incredibly likeable and relatable. But this really is the wrong role for her.... Agree televised excerpts usually awful and indeed they have just started rehearsing. But if you are a brilliant singer, you can belt out a song after less than an hour of rehearsal. Fair enough the dancing and the staging may not be up to speed - but your voice is (to an extent) your voice. And I don't think her's can carry it. She wasn't as bad as JD though who was so out of tune it was painful. Has he deteriorated? Or was he that bad back in the day but owing to his heartthrob status we didn't notice? Certainly his performances in Rocky Horror and Priscilla were terrible. But in my memory he was great in 1991 Joseph! |
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Post by anita on Jun 1, 2019 9:40:30 GMT
Well I don't watch BGT so going from the posted clip : I loved Jac Yarrow but the costumes are dire.
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Post by musicalmarge on Jun 1, 2019 9:53:39 GMT
Let’s face it .... after years and years of professional training and work - people are not expected to be brilliant after a week of rehearsals, this isn’t Bognor operatic society. They are expected to be BRILLIANT at the final audition after many recalls. That’s the reality here. This is West End premium talent and meant to be the best in the world - the issue here is simply about the WRONG casting choices and wrong decisions made from the new producers.
Lloyd Webber will be FURIOUS!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 9:55:33 GMT
Let’s face it .... after years and years of professional training and work - people are not expected to be brilliant after a week of rehearsals, this isn’t Bognor operatic society. They are expected to be BRILLIANT at the final audition after many recalls. That’s the reality here. This is West End premium talent and meant to be the best in the world - the issue here is simply about the WRONG casting choices and wrong decisions made from the new producers. Lloyd Webber will be FURIOUS!!! Absolutely this! |
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Post by johartuk on Jun 1, 2019 10:30:36 GMT
Wow! Actually, I disagree! I watched Funny Girl several times and found her performances pretty damn wonderful to be honest. From the reviews of others I was far from being the only one who thought that. Yes, her and Jason may not be the best singers in the world. They never have been and I doubt they have ever claimed to be. Why people suddenly expect them to be absolutely wonderful singers all of a sudden I am unsure. They are what they are and the casting directors would have been fully aware of their capabilities when they were cast. I am no expert on every Joseph production since the beginning of time like some of you but the many tour versions I have seen recently have been very like a panto. Ten performances a week, three a day back to back. It's hardly high brow entertainment. A singing Elvis? Come on. I'll be booking. There may be off key notes, there may be this there may be that but theatre does not always need to be over analysed to every single detail. It is essentially about enjoyment! Sometimes people on here appear to have forgotten that. You pay thousands of pounds on theatre but don't seem to enjoy it very much. You do enjoy constantly looking for all the flaws in it though. The target audience of this show aren't like that. The target audience are normal people, not the likes of us. They'll just go and watch. And enjoy. For that, I envy them. One of the requirements of the Narrator role is that the person playing that role has to be able to sing to a high standard. Particularly in the WE productions. Joseph is a sung-through musical, and the majority of the solo singing is done by the Narrator. She has to be able to nail it. The WE production is a different beast to the touring one - the casts tend to be pretty strong performers, and the productions tends to look good (staging/costumes/props). It's not high-brow entertainment, but that doesn't mean there's any excuse to skimp on the quality of the performers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 10:43:43 GMT
You pay thousands of pounds on theatre but don't seem to enjoy it very much. You do enjoy constantly looking for all the flaws in it though. I didn't need to go looking for the flaws last night, they were splashed right across the TV in front of me, with nowhere to hide. |
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Post by xanady on Jun 1, 2019 11:22:58 GMT
This has become another irate ‘light the blue touch paper thread’....everyone is allowed their own often widely-diverging and diametrically opposed opinion.
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Post by ali973 on Jun 1, 2019 12:47:49 GMT
musicalmarge is on a roll! AMEN! I know we're all saved because she's giving us the gospel on musical theatre performance standards! I promise to remain silent because musicalmarge is doing the good lord's work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 13:32:34 GMT
After watching the performance on BGT, I am glad I didn't spend £80 on a ticket to see this. Like a lot of people here, seeing the 1991 Palladium version was my introduction to musicals, and I think I'd rather just keep my memories of that production instead. Nostalgia is a wonderful thing. I liked Sheridan Smith in Legally Blonde and Funny Girl, and really like her as an actress and person, but I wasn't excited about her casting in this. And unfortunately last night's performance did nothing to change that. I don't think it's the right role for her, and a bad choice by the production team. In fact, a lot of the choices they seem to have made for this production, based on last night's performance, are bizarre. And Jason Donovan's performance was just weird. Yes, they have only just started rehearsing, and as people have said, these short televised excerpts rarely do a show justice. But still... Completely agree (although I HAVE spent my 80 quid - more than once in fact). Sheridan Smith is a sensational screen actress and also a great MT actress (of the actress that can sing rather than singer that can act category) and is also incredibly likeable and relatable. But this really is the wrong role for her.... Agree televised excerpts usually awful and indeed they have just started rehearsing. But if you are a brilliant singer, you can belt out a song after less than an hour of rehearsal. Fair enough the dancing and the staging may not be up to speed - but your voice is (to an extent) your voice. And I don't think her's can carry it. She wasn't as bad as JD though who was so out of tune it was painful. Has he deteriorated? Or was he that bad back in the day but owing to his heartthrob status we didn't notice? Certainly his performances in Rocky Horror and Priscilla were terrible. But in my memory he was great in 1991 Joseph! I think that is a good point - Sheridan is an actress who can sing. This is purely a singing role so there is relatively little she can get her acting chops into. Also I always thought that ideally Joseph and the Narrator should be the same ballpark age. The very youthful looking Jac makes Sheridan look older a vice versa. Guys of all ages have played Joseph but if you are having Sheridan who turns 38 this month as the narrator then maybe a more mature looking Joseph would have been better. Jason has had voice problems in recent years and he was a mess and in a bad place during his Rocky Horror show era but thankfully he settled down, cleaned himself up and now ironically looks how you'd have imagined him looking 30 years on from his pop heart throb era. I did feel a bit sorry for Jac during his part of the routine when we heard a scream go up which was obviously for Jason coming on stage for his part in the medley. |
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Post by ali973 on Jun 1, 2019 13:42:11 GMT
I did feel a bit sorry for Jac during his part of the routine when we heard a scream go up which was obviously for Jason coming on stage for his part in the medley. So that's what that was. Makes sense. |
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Post by richey on Jun 1, 2019 14:20:45 GMT
I really don't get the love for JD. In the few occasions I've seen him he's ranged from downright appalling (Rocky Horror, where the audience were actually prompting him his lines, rather than reacting to them) to merely mediocre (Priscilla) and that performance last night did nothing to change my opinion.
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Post by carmella1 on Jun 1, 2019 14:32:16 GMT
It was horrific none of them can sing. Jac looks 12, certainly is not sexy (loincloth), and his voice, or I shoud say what voice?
Kilworth House will be the better production.
ALW you sold your soul.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 14:34:08 GMT
To be fair, he was great in Joseph. It played to his strengths of not having a huge amount to do and standing there looking pretty. But he sleep walked through Prscilla and his Sweeney Todd was something that no one should ever have had to witness.
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Post by Dr Tom on Jun 1, 2019 14:43:22 GMT
For those willing to chance it, some great Palladium news is that the famous side stalls rows D to J are now on sale at just £35 (£45 some "peak dates"). Even better, apparently the usual extra proscenium will be almost up to the actual theatre arch, so the stage will be wide with excellent views. There's 4 rather than 2 seats as well, so if you take the fourth one off the aisle, it'll give you pretty much the same view as the person next to you. Go, go, go, as they say in Egypt. Thank you TM, had held of booking, but for £35 it's well worth the risk. Lots of availability still for those great seats. |
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Post by anthem on Jun 1, 2019 14:56:55 GMT
I had to watch the performance after reading the responses here.
Sorry to sound cruel but the whole thing was horrific. It looked like a scene from Balamory. I know the cast are in the early stages but it was all so uncomfortable to watch. The styling was just dreadful too- Jason looked ludicrous. I loved Sheridan in Funny Girl but she seemed miscast in the clip.
Anyways, I expect lots of young families will book after seeing that but it certainly didn’t look like it was aimed at anyone who’s hit puberty.
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Post by wickedgrin on Jun 1, 2019 14:58:25 GMT
Yes thanks @theatremonkey for the £35 ticket tip. Booked. Those seats are never that restricted at the Palladium. A big WE show at the Palladium (one of my favourite London theatres) for that price is a bargain really.
I did notice checking random dates early in the run that there is lots of availability at all prices. I had got the impression that it had booked very heavily given a limited 11 week run. Perhaps the prices have put people off?
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Post by d'James on Jun 1, 2019 15:31:52 GMT
I was just looking now and it says excellent availability on all levels on most of the dates in July after Press Night.
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