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Post by n1david on Jan 3, 2019 12:29:43 GMT
Definitely no mention of 27 other countries. That bit was definitely in your head.
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Post by Backdrifter on Jan 3, 2019 12:46:20 GMT
When you stare at a striking pattern or bright objects for long enough, you see them imprinted on your vision wherever you look and when you close your eyes. I think most of us are like that with brexit so maybe that's what happened!
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Post by n1david on Jan 4, 2019 17:27:56 GMT
It’s ok. It’s been noted. Come the revolution...
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Post by Jon on Feb 3, 2020 16:54:49 GMT
I wouldn’t be surprised if Chris Chibnall is replaced next series
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 3, 2020 17:07:33 GMT
Last night was so poorly scripted.
Plus why introduce a second Doctor one week and then pretend it never happened the next?
In terms of building drama and creating interesting character, this is a complete fail
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Post by peggs on Feb 3, 2020 19:02:49 GMT
I have been watching and came on here to discuss but obviously didn't look back far enough. It's very up and down for me, there have been some episodes I thought pretty poor and then a few that were better. Think JW is brilliant but it is very unconnected week to week which would be okay if huge issues yes like the other doctor hadn't been raised. I subjected a lot of ire the week they were on that hotel in a bubble thing with the terrible green wigs. why?! I still think there are two many companions, they just get enough to develop them. There's not a lot of sense of jeopardy, forebodings about the doctor's home planet, the lone cyberman but the companions don't know enough to relate so we have a brooding doctor but no where for it to go. In the last but one episode when the doctor found it comforting when they argued they did know her blar blar I just thought you'd don't, you don't have a clue, you just keep saying things like why aren't you telling us stuff in an annoying manner.
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Post by dontdreamit on Feb 3, 2020 19:03:04 GMT
Last night was so poorly scripted. Plus why introduce a second Doctor one week and then pretend it never happened the next? In terms of building drama and creating interesting character, this is a complete fail And reintroducing Captain Jack for a few scenes. Hoping it’ll all come together by the end of the series. I really miss RTD.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Feb 4, 2020 8:22:42 GMT
Last night was so poorly scripted. Plus why introduce a second Doctor one week and then pretend it never happened the next? In terms of building drama and creating interesting character, this is a complete fail And reintroducing Captain Jack for a few scenes. Hoping it’ll all come together by the end of the series. I really miss RTD. Oh yes, great times. Started watching it during his reign, liked Moffat in the beginning, but then it got too complicated for me. He writes great characters though. I had great hopes for Chibnall, but his writing is messy, preachy and he made some decisions that are weird (like 3 companions). Loved Whittaker before (and still do), but not this doctor, so many wasted opportunities. I watched last season, but have given up now, pity really, as I always enjoyed the show.
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Post by david on Feb 4, 2020 22:21:00 GMT
This series for me is really frustrating to watch. You've gone from a good opening 2 episodes with the reappearance of the Master (love his outfit) and the destruction of Gallifrey to this weeks episode that was just a rubbish story. I really like Jodie W as the Dr, and Bradley Walsh as Graham is a great bit of casting, but I have never been a fan of having more than 2 companions at any one time and that's from watching both the classic and new Who series. I've always found that having an overcrowded TARDIS means that someone in the group doesn't get much to do in a particular episode or has little character development long term.
Since new Who started, I've never been a fan of the majority of the stories being done in 1 hour format. Maybe its just me, but I much prefer how it was done in the classic series with stories being told over several episodes and having the classic cliffhanger at the end of the episode. I think having 2 or 3 episodes to tell the story gives you more chance to develop the characters and build up the tension and drama. Ok, tv viewing habits and production styles have changed over the years, but I really don't think WHO works best in its current format.
Another issue that has been highlighted not just on here but on the online episode reviews is the current need to have the "issue of the week" format. Whilst in its history, the programme has often tackled a wide range of social and political issues, its always been done in a way that isn't preachy in the way its done now and didn't get in the way of telling a good science fiction story that was both fun and engaging to watch (even with the naff special effects).
For the current series, with so many plot points yet to be resolved before the series concludes (Galifrey, the new Dr, the timeless child), it wouldn't surprise me if we go into the next series still answering some of them.
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Post by nick on Feb 5, 2020 11:49:19 GMT
Plus why introduce a second Doctor one week and then pretend it never happened the next? In terms of building drama and creating interesting character, this is a complete fail Doctor Who has form in that department. "Mission To the Unknown" introduced the return of the Daleks a few weeks before the epic "Dalek Masterplan" started way back with Hartnell. They'll clearly return to it before the end of the series. But: {Spoiler} {Spoiler - click to view}Chibnall has said Cptn Jack isn't returning this series Accidental double spoiler tag just to make sure!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 17:57:39 GMT
WHAT IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY WAS LAST NIGHT'S EPISODE? Looks like they simply took all the bits left on the editing machine's hard drive and added opening and closing credits. I actually thought it was an improvement because it became more complex. The people who kept moaning about Who being too difficult and too dependent on story arcs have got their way with the current incarnation but I miss the idea, as with Moffatt and to a lesser extent Davies, that you didn’t have to ‘write down’ to the audience. Most of the ideas are a bit obvious for me, at the moment (and all separated off episode by episode). Look at older classics like The Avengers (no, not the superhero one, the Diana Rigg/Patrick Macnee one) and they suffer when watched through a modern eye because of that lack of a continuing story.
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Post by mistressjojo on Feb 11, 2020 13:22:52 GMT
Well at least there was no 'issue of the week'. I don't think. It was all a bit of a mish mash. The theme of playthings-of-the-gods has been done a few times, but this one didn't really stick with me. I think it was the detachable fingers that irked me. I did think it looked great though , especially the Aleppo scenes. And once again Graham got the best lines.
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Post by Sam on Feb 11, 2020 13:39:16 GMT
Watched on the tube home yesterday and agree it felt disjointed. I thought we were going to get the Doctor having an adventure on her own, not really sure what the point in dropping the others off only to pick them back up again straight away.
It really felt like two separate episodes were half formed and then mashed together. Not sure the point of even having the Aleppo part? What did it add?
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 11, 2020 15:16:07 GMT
It was a confused script. It was working so hard to deliver the message of the week - talking about how you feel is good for your mental health - that it forgot to deliver a coherent narrative or character development.
Chibnall has got this so wrong. It is fine to have important messages in the show but not at the expense of story and character. Sledgehammering the message every week is not big and it is not clever.
Give us great stories and we can forgive much.
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Post by Sam on Feb 11, 2020 16:08:27 GMT
Might have come across better if the Doctor had had a better response to Graham talking about his fears. Or any response really!
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Post by david on Feb 18, 2020 18:55:56 GMT
For me Sunday’s episode was an improvement on previous weeks. At least we didn’t get the preachy “issue of the week”. A decent story with a bit of jeopardy thrown in for the characters. I must admit I didn’t seeing the appearance of the Lone Cyberman coming. I just hope the final 2 parter to round off the series is worth it. So much to resolve from previous stories.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Feb 23, 2020 22:18:18 GMT
Yet another appallingly constructed episode.
Lots of explosions and some confused/confusing dialogue does not a satisfying episode make.
Chibnall is the wrong fit for this show. He has neither the wit not the invention to make it a success.
I don't care that he thinks he is being clever in setting things up for the next season. So few people seem to be invested in it, there is every possibility that season 13 might be the last. All because he got it wrong.
Too many companions. Too many 'messages of the week'. And weak writing.
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Post by jaqs on Feb 24, 2020 11:30:40 GMT
Yes I'm not interested in set up for next season, when this one has been so dire.
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Post by david on Feb 24, 2020 12:37:23 GMT
Plenty of Pyrotechnics in yesterday’s episode, shame there wasn’t much story to go with it.
I’m certainly not a fan of CC’s tenure of DW. There have been too many stories that just haven’t grabbed me. The idea of having “issue of the week” really doesn’t work. As I’ve posted before, the classic series would deal with social and political subjects but have an entertaining and well written story to handle the subject that didn’t come across as preachy as the current writing does. I would like CC to look at some of these classic stories to see how you can do the educational thing but still be entertaining tv.
The current series overall has been a big let down (even if we get a fantastic final episode). The TARDIS crew definitely needs to be cut. There are far too many companions (keep Bradley Walsh as a companion, not fussed about the other 2) and the quality of the writing really doesn’t help their development. A big overall of the series I think is needed. JW as the Dr I like very much, it’s just a shame everything else is a big disappointment.
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Post by David J on Feb 24, 2020 13:34:30 GMT
As I’ve posted before, the classic series would deal with social and political subjects but have an entertaining and well written story to handle the subject that didn’t come across as preachy as the current writing does. I would like CC to look at some of these classic stories to see how you can do the educational thing but still be entertaining tv. Thankfully we have Chibnall's opinion on classic who here (admittedly during the Colin Baker era when things were starting to go down hill). It seems ironic then that this season's overnight ratings have dropped massively to 3.71 million for the latest episode. That's the lowest Dr Who has been since the Colin Baker episode The Mysterious Planet Part Four at 3.7 million 34 years ago
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Post by peggs on Feb 29, 2020 23:09:16 GMT
Started off irritated, oh doctor they've destroyed all our defences, well durr. The companions are very 'we will stay with you through anything, we know you really well' but they wine and complain and annoy me though perhaps not as much as the last cyberman. Imagine how good JW could be with better stories. Too many companions, needs better writing. The sad thing is if it ended now the 'you can't have a female doctor' brigade would say it proved their point when it's nothing to do with that.
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Post by oxfordsimon on Mar 1, 2020 22:36:16 GMT
No.
And more no.
That was bad.
Appalling writing. Poor character work.
Plot that was not interesting and certainly not credible.
It was not satisfying in the slightest.
That's me out unless and until Chibnall goes.
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Post by dontdreamit on Mar 2, 2020 6:23:52 GMT
No. And more no. That was bad. Appalling writing. Poor character work. Plot that was not interesting and certainly not credible. It was not satisfying in the slightest. That's me out unless and until Chibnall goes. For a second season for a new show runner it was terrible. I’ve been watching DW for 40 years, and this is the worst that new Who has ever been. The frustrating thing is that there were so many things that could have been so good- but the very poor writing let the season down time after time.
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Post by MrBraithwaite on Mar 2, 2020 8:09:44 GMT
Pity the BBC still seems to find this great, despite fan reactions and dwindling audience numbers. Will start watching again when Chibnall is gone.
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Post by basi1faw1ty on Mar 2, 2020 8:50:14 GMT
Noticed Twitter is doing the whole "if you hated this series you're sexist" thing, which is getting tiresome.
Well, to them lot, speaking as a woman, Whittaker's era has been dreadful. I was up for Jodie taking over and her first episode was good, then Chibnall's writing kicked in, and I have not watched it since s11. I read the reviews of this latest ep, and to hear what Chibs has done is making my blood boil.
Also Bradley Walsh is too good an actor to be sidelined and underutilised as he is in this show. Also nobody asked for THREE companions, what was the point in that??
If I dare mention this on Twitter I would've been hounded repeatedly, and for the sake of my mental health I keep shtum.
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