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Post by Dave25 on Mar 21, 2019 22:25:24 GMT
Im am proud of the theatre/producers for this decision. Almost a bit emotional. This is extremely important. A step towards humanity.
To avoid these kind of world alienated situations in the future we really need to develop a lesson plan for schools where the differences and problems of religions are taught to kids from a young age.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 22:34:22 GMT
I don't really think they could have done much more. We don't know what has gone on over the last week, nor do we know under what conditions Seyi Omooba agreed to leave. I'd imagine it's been a legal minefield, and they may be limited on what they can say/condemn in the statement. This is very true. I would imagine non-disclosure agreements are in play. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 22:40:30 GMT
I never want to hear from her father on any subject. We do have to work to get his honour removed - no-one who supports the causes he does should be honoured by the Queen for anything. I just looked into this, I’ll draft an email tomorrow if anyone’s interested in reusing it. What should I do if I believe that someone with an honour has behaved in a way that could lead to forfeiture? You should contact the Cabinet Office at honours@cabinetoffice.gov.uk, naming the individual and explaining the reasons why you believe their honour should be forfeited. Please bear in mind that personal disputes are not likely to be a reason to forfeit an honour. Examples of the kind of behaviour that may lead to revocation of an honour can be found below. |
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Post by kulen on Mar 21, 2019 22:54:28 GMT
The right decision for her to leave, but also not too impressed with the statement. I wonder what the outcome would have been had she been a Muslim? Maybe different? Maybe not.... It’s an interesting debate with Christianity when it comes to faith, double standards, acceptance, the bible, diversity, free speech and 2019! They have that issue with LGBT education in some Birmingham Schools at the moment. Live and let love, have a cocktail, be happy and move on! I hope the outcome would not be different if she had been a Muslim. We can't complain about the effect of one awful religion for gay people (Christianity) when Islam is even worse. Islamphobic? I will be reporting you because Daniel even said there’s a sense of favouritism, you just made a very islamphobic statement and if I said it I would get banned. |
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 21, 2019 23:09:52 GMT
The way violence towards, for example gay people, is allowed and described in the Koran goes further than the way the Bible describes it. But the world-alienated nature towards homosexuality (and many other subjects) is the same. So I would hope they would have treated this the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 23:10:38 GMT
You can’t just rush into announcing a decision like that when it could present a number of legal issues. The decision could have been made days ago for all we know. No I understand that. I just feel they were silent for too long. I don't know what I wanted them to say in the interim if I'm honest. But I feel they could have said something. Just my thoughts. Doesn't have to be taken as gospel No, legally they could have got themselves in all sorts of trouble if they'd said anything before it was all fully sorted out. They did this exactly the right way to keep themselves legally correct and minimise the risk of them being sued, which is what they had to do. Their statement is exactly what I expected and pretty much as far as they were ever likely to be able to go from a legal perspective. It could have taken a lot longer than this, frankly I commend them for getting it all sorted as quickly as they have. |
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Post by nash16 on Mar 21, 2019 23:32:39 GMT
Who was she in Hadestown? I can't remember...
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Post by sf on Mar 22, 2019 0:22:21 GMT
Who was she in Hadestown? I can't remember... She was one of the workers. |
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Post by nash16 on Mar 22, 2019 2:01:24 GMT
Who was she in Hadestown? I can't remember... She was one of the workers. Thank you. |
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Post by apubleed on Mar 22, 2019 5:53:07 GMT
I hope the outcome would not be different if she had been a Muslim. We can't complain about the effect of one awful religion for gay people (Christianity) when Islam is even worse. Islamphobic? I will be reporting you because Daniel even said there’s a sense of favouritism, you just made a very islamphobic statement and if I said it I would get banned. I’m not sure if you are joking or not but this is 2019 not the Middle Ages. We must criticise the impact religious belief systems, including Christianity and especially Islam, have on gay people worldwide. There are too many gay people, especially gay Muslims, suffering because of it. |
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Post by indis on Mar 22, 2019 7:00:29 GMT
wow, nowadays anytime someone says one tiny word against the Islam is islamophobic? awful! Both religions, Islam and Christians, have blood on their hands if you look at history and has crazy followers, but nowadays it is only allowed to make fun of Christians ( fe life of Brian). If you would do the same with the Islam there would be hell. We alteady treat Islam with the softest gloves possible so no one is islamophobic without reason. Apart from that this thread should not become a religion thread. The world would be a better place without any religion
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 7:49:25 GMT
A digression but my choir “isn’t allowed” to do “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life” because one hardline Christian objected. Now on one hand yes we’re pandering to her extreme beliefs but on the other we’re not singing a song nobody really gives two sh*ts about and not upsetting someone we like.
On the other hand if she turned around and said “No Queen because Freddie Mercury was a Homo” Shed be out on her ear and we’d be belting out “We are the Champions”
What I’m saying I guess is sometimes as grown ups you put up with some things to play nice, because you pick your battles...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:06:01 GMT
As much as the statement wasn't as firebrand as maybe we'd have liked, I do think we have a responsibility to support either theatre with this production by going to see it to show that we support their decision. If we don't, it sends a message that we're not that bothered other than a few outraged tweets and such like and the theatre will think "why should we bother to do the same in the future if the situation arises again?".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:17:59 GMT
As much as the statement wasn't as firebrand as maybe we'd have liked, I do think we have a responsibility to support either theatre with this production by going to see it to show that we support their decision. If we don't, it sends a message that we're not that bothered other than a few outraged tweets and such like and the theatre will think "why should we bother to do the same in the future if the situation arises again?". I agree, the most important thing is the made the right decision. I think we can be fairly confident that many of the stage were as rabid and raging as us, but they have to put on a professional front. And that means not shouting 'down with Christian fundamentalists' lest it offends the perfectly nice Christians who don't understand from a tweet that it's not about them. I also think, they're a theatre (s) speaking on behalf of an organisation, of course it's going to be measured and reserved. However they took action, I think the best thing to do is to follow suit, support an LGBTQ play by companies who showed they respect and support the community. Day out in Brum anyone? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:25:00 GMT
As much as the statement wasn't as firebrand as maybe we'd have liked, I do think we have a responsibility to support either theatre with this production by going to see it to show that we support their decision. If we don't, it sends a message that we're not that bothered other than a few outraged tweets and such like and the theatre will think "why should we bother to do the same in the future if the situation arises again?". I agree, the most important thing is the made the right decision. I think we can be fairly confident that many of the stage were as rabid and raging as us, but they have to put on a professional front. And that means not shouting 'down with Christian fundamentalists' lest it offends the perfectly nice Christians who don't understand from a tweet that it's not about them. I also think, they're a theatre (s) speaking on behalf of an organisation, of course it's going to be measured and reserved. However they took action, I think the best thing to do is to follow suit, support an LGBTQ play by companies who showed they respect and support the community. Day out in Brum anyone?I'll get my jabs! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:32:07 GMT
I agree, the most important thing is the made the right decision. I think we can be fairly confident that many of the stage were as rabid and raging as us, but they have to put on a professional front. And that means not shouting 'down with Christian fundamentalists' lest it offends the perfectly nice Christians who don't understand from a tweet that it's not about them. I also think, they're a theatre (s) speaking on behalf of an organisation, of course it's going to be measured and reserved. However they took action, I think the best thing to do is to follow suit, support an LGBTQ play by companies who showed they respect and support the community. Day out in Brum anyone?I'll get my jabs! I've got to go there for a conference in a few weeks, building up my immunity...ooh it's been a few years since I was back in't Midlands* *before anyone takes offence I love and adore the Midlands having spent a good chunk of my 20s there. Gotta love a canal.... |
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Post by MrsCondomine on Mar 22, 2019 8:46:05 GMT
Is it safe to say her career is ruined too?
If so YAY. She can go and sit on Twitter quoting pithy Bible snippets in her own lovely bubble, and we never have to see her face again.
I never doubted that the Curve would do the right thing but I'm still proud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 8:47:28 GMT
I was just about to agree and then realised I really misread that. |
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Post by musicalmarge on Mar 22, 2019 10:26:44 GMT
wow, nowadays anytime someone says one tiny word against the Islam is islamophobic? awful! Both religions, Islam and Christians, have blood on their hands if you look at history and has crazy followers, but nowadays it is only allowed to make fun of Christians ( fe life of Brian). If you would do the same with the Islam there would be hell. We alteady treat Islam with the softest gloves possible so no one is islamophobic without reason. Apart from that this thread should not become a religion thread. The world would be a better place without any religion This is why I brought this up. The UK media and society has a terrible issue with Christianity being homophobic while Muslim communities have “cultural differences”. A proven example is when the famous BA worker couldn’t even wear a simple cross around her neck on board a plane, while I worry that we even approve and accept Muslim traditions in fear of appearing racist. I personally see homophobia whatever the source. Back to the show I look forward to seeing it, the prouduction now needs our support! |
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Post by sf on Mar 22, 2019 12:00:02 GMT
Is it safe to say her career is ruined too?
Not necessarily. I think that partly depends on what she learns from this experience. She is formidably talented, and she's clearly been brought up surrounded by some pretty toxic beliefs and attitudes, and she hasn't managed to transcend her upbringing. Her parents have done her considerable damage, but she's still quite young. There are ways forward for her from this - but not if she continues to alienate people. The way this controversy came about suggests rather strongly that she really hasn't endeared herself to some of the people she's worked with so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 13:58:35 GMT
Is it safe to say her career is ruined too?
Not necessarily. I think that partly depends on what she learns from this experience. She is formidably talented, and she's clearly been brought up surrounded by some pretty toxic beliefs and attitudes, and she hasn't managed to transcend her upbringing. Her parents have done her considerable damage, but she's still quite young. There are ways forward for her from this - but not if she continues to alienate people. The way this controversy came about suggests rather strongly that she really hasn't endeared herself to some of the people she's worked with so far.
I think sf hits the nail on the head here. People are typically ok to rub along together and tolerate one another, until someone’s a hypocrite and I think that’s what made someone blow the whistle this time. People knew what she was like and probably dealt with it, until she decided to play an iconic queer role and then it tipped over. I’d be up for a Birmingham trip to see this if anyone else is. I grew up in Coventry so I can pass as a Midlander as required, and shepherd is around the dodgier parts of the Bullring ;-) |
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Post by Dave25 on Mar 22, 2019 19:01:07 GMT
I really hope this will result in a nationwide discussion about the difference between the legal protection of "the freedom to discriminate out of religion" and the legal protection of "homosexual people, harmed by religious discrimination".
And how on earth anyone thinks these 2 deserve the same kind of protection. Like the law does at the moment. Any judge should make this difference very clear in future cases. One is a choice, the other is not.
This woman actually tried to sue the production for discrimination.....
The world stays a zoo as long as this difference is not penetrated into every fibre of our being.
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Post by anthem on Mar 22, 2019 22:00:05 GMT
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Post by apubleed on Mar 23, 2019 8:26:33 GMT
I can imagine there is going to be a lot of energy in that theatre when whoever the replacement actress sings "I'm Here" for the first time. And, as I revisit these lyrics, I suppose I would flinch if they were still being sung by the original.
"But most of all
I'm thankful for,
Lovin' who I really am
I'm beautiful
Yes I'm beautiful
And I'm here"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 14:46:50 GMT
The weight of expectation on the cast in general and the new Celie will be incredible for this show,but hopefully not overwhelming what with all the publicity generated and the very emotional and impassioned debate.
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