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Post by daisy24601 on Jul 13, 2019 22:01:46 GMT
Well I'm going to say it, I prefer the new production. The revolve is cool and all, but the new design is more interesting and the projections make it more exciting and bring it to life. The main loss is the Enjolras reveal, but apart from that I'm pretty happy.
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Post by xanady on Jul 13, 2019 22:14:22 GMT
poster j,sounds like a wonderful evening and no hideous speech from CM either...what a blessing! Glad they finished with a stonker of a performance as other people on Twitter have confirmed.Audience showed great dignity whilst giving the original a great send-off,apparently. It is a sad adieu and not au revoir,Les Mis...we will never see the like again! P.S.Why not now name this The OUTGOING Les Miserables Discussion Thread...big lol 🇫🇷
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 13, 2019 22:17:20 GMT
Well I'm going to say it, I prefer the new production. The revolve is cool and all, but the new design is more interesting and the projections make it more exciting and bring it to life. The main loss is the Enjolras reveal, but apart from that I'm pretty happy. Finally! We will convert them daisy24601
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Post by Phantom of London on Jul 13, 2019 22:22:28 GMT
Anyone know is CM and/or any of the original creatives were in tonight? Trevor Nunn was very conveniently at the Menier Chocolate Factory for his production of the first preview of Bridges of Madison County. Do you really get the first performance on a Saturday night? He made a sharp get away at the end, probably to dodge any questions, as theatre fans show normally go to the first performance.
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Post by fiyero on Jul 13, 2019 22:26:33 GMT
Just on my way home. Very enthusiastic audience and shares in kleenex must've gone up if the upper circle is anything to go by! So, so glad I got to go and say goodbye but happy with change too, I'm off to the geilgud in November for a bit of JOJ, Ball and Co and am sure I will be at the sondheim in the next year or two. Gotta ask, did the 'queer' party goer always kiss the waiter? It got an 'immigrants we get the job done' type. Reaction!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 22:27:26 GMT
Anyone know is CM and/or any of the original creatives were in tonight? Trevor Nunn was very conveniently at the Menier Chocolate Factory for his production of the first preview of Bridges of Madison County. Do you really get the first performance on a Saturday night? John Caird, Andrew Bridge, John Napier, Kate Flatt and Andrea Neofitou(?sp) in the audience. Trevor not there. Dame Cameron utterly conspicuous by his absence! Speech was lovely and was from Dean Chisnall. Epic evening. Now on hideous full binge Britain train back to Brighton! Full thoughts tmr....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 22:27:48 GMT
Anyone know is CM and/or any of the original creatives were in tonight? Some of them were - Dean listed them (he did the speech) but I'm afraid I can't remember who he said was there and who he was just thanking! I was up in the Grand Circle so couldn't see any VIPs taking their seats, and so I don't know if CM was there! He didn't get booed when mentioned in the speech though, thankfully no-one was that childish. It was a very enthusiastic and perfectly respectful audience, and the ovation at the end was astonishing, every person in the theatre rose as one as the cast hit the last note, then the cheers continued for a good 5 minutes after the bows were done!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 22:31:26 GMT
Gotta ask, did the 'queer' party goer always kiss the waiter? It got an 'immigrants we get the job done' type. Reaction! I thought that was spontaneous, but I hadn't seen the stage production in about 10 years before tonight so wondered if it was just me not remembering it or if it was improv! And yes, the amount of sniffling in the Grand Circle from Empty Chairs onwards was a bit crazy. The woman beside me was inconsolable from On My Own the whole way to the end!
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Post by richey on Jul 13, 2019 22:46:28 GMT
Some pics from curtain call here /
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Post by ali973 on Jul 13, 2019 23:05:29 GMT
As far as final nights go, this was a rather warm farewell and wasn't full of the crazy fanfare that is normally the norm in final nights. A few thoughts: -Not the most powerful cast. No one really stood out. Closest thing was Elan Skye as Eponine..though I really needed to get readjusted to a white Eponine again. She's a little Kerry Ellis in the making. -The leads..sorry, Bradley Jaden was practically invisible as Javert. -Overall I was a bit disappointed with the lack of diversity in the cast, especially with the students. They were all white men of the same age who practically had the same heigh and body types. Also...though this is a period piece in a different era, a bunch of straight white dudes talking about the revolution just does not sit well with me in 2019. -Staging as brilliant as always. It still works, and everytime I see it, I say it must have been really radical and groundbreaking in the 80s if it's still looking this good. -I noticed a moment right after a Heart Full of Love where Eponine and Cossette have a moment. They lock eyes as they look at each other across the gate. I never picked it up before and I have to say it's a great moment.
Lovely meeting nice new friends from the form and having a chat over the complimentary champagne!
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Post by kimbahorel on Jul 14, 2019 1:25:20 GMT
Gotta ask, did the 'queer' party goer always kiss the waiter? No although depending on the performer its like flirty but never kiss Sam Harrison did it also at the matinee wasn't expecting him to do it for the last one. But I assume the reaction he got in the matinee encouraged him to try and snog Sam Edwards again!!
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Post by shady23 on Jul 14, 2019 2:17:36 GMT
The leads..sorry, Bradley Jaden was practically invisible as Javert I have to completely disagree with you there. I thought he was incredible. That voice! Totally agree about the lack of diversity though. It isn't good enough.
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Post by shady23 on Jul 14, 2019 2:24:17 GMT
I wouldn't consider myself a huge fan of the show. I've seen it once previously (because I wanted to see Alfie Boe). I like the film and I own the concert version on DVD. I just felt I needed to be there tonight and how glad I was.
From the moment the show began I cried and cried throughout. Actually I more than cried. I sobbed. And sobbed and sobbed. The staging is just awesome. The revolve so powerful. That baracade... It got entrance applause all on its own, which summed up the night. I was in the upper circle and the atmosphere was absolutely electric from start to finish. An incredible piece of theatre. Deans speech and the champagne was a lovely touch. He said about fifteen of this cast are going into the concert version.
I'm not one of the people who say change is bad. I have a visit to the Touring production booked in for August and am really looking forward to seeing how that production differs. But if you have created something THIS powerful. That looks so good. Why would you ever feel the need to change it?! To save a bit of money does not seem reason enough somehow.
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Post by apubleed on Jul 14, 2019 8:24:36 GMT
I personally thought most of the cast were at their a-game. The Javert appeared to start a bit more subtle (I agree, practically invisible at first) but he became more angry/desperate/loud as time went on, which I think is appropriate for the character. The Thénardier's were VERY funny AND wicked. The Jean Valjean was giving a Tony-worthy performance. As was the Eponine. Cosette had a lovely singing voice.
For me, the only weak member in the cast was the Fantine - great acting, (relatively) weak vocals. She was the only one that seemed to struggle a little in her song.
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Post by scarpia on Jul 14, 2019 8:41:58 GMT
I thought the cast was one of the weakest I've ever seen in 26 years of my (re)visiting the show. Very few had any stage presence and a lot of the voices of the leads (Valjean excluded) were weak. The cast are also hampered, though, by the cuts/changes that have bedevilled this piece over the years. I was struck last night by how ghastly the new orchestrations are, which sound tinny, weak, inappropriate at times and totally lack the symphonic majesty of John Cameron's originals. The crescendo when the barricade revolves to reveal Enjolras's body was laughably weak, and at one point the few remaining live musicians were out of time with a pre-recorded/Sinfonia bit that used to be played live. The cuts to the material don't help, but as they are decades old, I could have lived with that if everything else held up. But rushing through the score with a weak cast and awful orchestrations just left me cold. As a poster said previously, this production had already left the building in spirit. There was a lot of sloppy delivery of lines and certain blocking. I assume that, since the announcement (or even before), keeping the company in shape went out of the window. Things got better in Act 2, and maybe the audience energy fed into the performance. Some major tears going on around me, one superfan sounded like she was struggling a lot during the final 10 minutes. It's really sad to see the show go out on a whimper like this, with Cameron Mackintosh throwing the production that made his name under a bus to make a few bucks. Disappointed John Caird didn't take the stage to say something, but I can understand why he didn't. I didn't see him, but I heard John Napier was looking particularly unhappy. I assume the performance was filmed for Cameron to watch without having to cross paths with those he's unnecessarily caused rifts with. And it was greedy as hell to charge for brochures now that they're all obsolete! I met a guy who had seen the show an insane number of times since the very first night at the Barbican in 1985. He won't be returning once the Queens reopens. I feel a lot of critics/commentators have missed the point on this. No one is saying theatre shouldn't change; it's an ephemeral artform. But cutting the natural run of a show short to replace it with an inferior production that doesn't really have its own vision or identity and owes most of what is good about it to the original so that a multi-millionaire producer can cream some more off doesn't sit right. I don't think I'll be revising Miz until it is properly reimagined with a first-rate creative team of equal or more talent to the one behind this departed production. Also sad that this planned restoration of the Queens will never happen:
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 14, 2019 10:35:26 GMT
It’s Bastille day today. Vive La Republique! Vive La France! 🇫🇷
I think one of the reasons the French don’t like is us because they wish they’d kept their royals and they’re a bit jealous of ours. Non?
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Post by firstwetakemanhattan on Jul 14, 2019 10:51:41 GMT
I was also in the Upper Circle last night. Some thoughts from me, it was the first show I ever saw back sometime in 2014 I think, and blew me away and must have seen it 15/20 times in a relatively short space of time around then. But I branched out and started seeing more musicals, and then plays and have to say I may only have seen the show maybe 3 times over the past 3 years. But, it was a pleasure to be there on such a historical night. Upper Circle certainly very emotional, lots of sniffing, blowing noses and visibley moved people, in particular the three on the end of Row F Circle right!!. Nice speech at the end, and nice touches all round, the audience were well behaved and very respectfull indeed, just an all round lovely lovely atmosphere to be in.
The current(well former) cast.... yes underwhelming, for me. Eponine very good, Valjean ok, Javert seemed lacking something, presence, I dont know and yes for sure surely he needs to be portrayed by an older person than BJ. The cast I first saw if memory serves me well, was Peter Lockyear(excellent), David Thaxton as Javert(brilliant), Celinde Schoenmaker and Carrie Hope Fletcher and the outstanding Tom Eddon as Thernardier. I just recall it as a much better cast/show, but also have to say that may be purely because it was the first and original to me, and hard to beat and rose tinted glasses and all that.
I didnt get as involved or moved as some, but for me the touching moment has always been when Fantine reappears at the end with Valjean in the chair, and then Eponine shortly after. Lovely theatre. Anyway, its a great show all round, and fantastic fantastic songs, will be intertesting to see the new show after it gets going. Pleased to say I was there for the end.
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 14, 2019 11:12:26 GMT
Imagine they would close the Phantom of the Opera and replace it with the tour version. I think that with these shows it's the "iconic original version" that becomes a brand. That's why people who have seen the shows take their own kids to the same original production years later and revisit multiple times. They want to see the original. The details in set and costume that are iconic and that hey love and cherish. The revolve in les Mis, the candles and the blue/green smoke in Phantom, etc.
It's very dangerous ground to toy with the public like this and it could very well end in the show closing as a whole. History shows that unoriginal revival productions just don't do that well. Of course there are people/tourists who don't notice, but many people do.
I suspect Cameron is going to pretend in PR that it's the same long-running show, and that it's the same production but it is not. The original show has closed. The new version is a revival and should be presented as a new revival production. Actors who perform in both should add it as 2 different credits on their cv.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 11:52:00 GMT
It's very dangerous ground to toy with the public like this and it could very well end in the show closing as a whole. I've bitten my tongue on the subject for a while, but this really is getting a bit hyperbolic now. No show survives on its repeat custom or the mega fans. Yes, they contribute revenue and pass on their love of a show to others, but the recognisability and iconic nature of Les Mis as a brand is what keeps the show going, and that has nothing whatsoever to do with the revolve or the particular staging. It is the show as a whole. 9 out of 10 people who go to see the show probably don't even know what the revolve is. "The public" are just not that invested in that sort of detail in theatre. They might think it's a cool staging effect, but nothing more than that. The music and the story are what will be remembered and talked about most, the overall show, not the costumes, staging or effects alone. Not enough to make the difference between telling others to see the show or not. That much is obvious from the huge success of the concert versions that have happened in the past, and the advance sales for the one that is to come. Les Mis doesn't need the revolve to survive, it has the brand power to do so with any kind of staging or none. So of course people are entitled to mourn the loss of the revolve if it impacts on their own person enjoyment of the show, and I think it's a huge shame that the record run is no more. But I think it's simply unrealistic to say that losing the revolve will lead the show to close, or cause a dip in popularity, or ruin the show from a commercial perspective, because I can't see anything to suggest that any of that is likely to be true. If anything, the opposite may well be more likely...
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 14, 2019 11:52:53 GMT
POTO made a comment ion Facebook that they’re looking forward to becoming the longest running West End show.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 12:05:38 GMT
I suspect this is something Cameron will write about in years to come about how it was misjudged and a mistake to close the original production. I wonder what his thoughts were yesterday, with all the past cast and crew posting their emotional farewells to Les Mis on social media.
That said, the video of the UK tour that the official page has just posted on Facebook does look fantastic. I prefer the original production, but this change will blow some life back into the London show, which in my opinion had been run into the ground.
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Post by Dave25 on Jul 14, 2019 12:52:54 GMT
Poster J, do you think the same counts for Phantom? That removing the chandelier, costumes, stairs, boat, chandeliers would not harm the show? And putting a cheap revival set in its place?
I think a big part of the "brand" is not the name of the show alone, but the fact that is has a solid, 30 year running original production that stands as a house.
True, les Mis became somewhat of a name because of Susan Boyle and the film, but fact is that the production has closed and a new, cheaper revival is going to replace the show. Will tourists, who visit London once, who only might choose 1 show to visit, choose an original legendary blockbuster production that has been running for 30 years or a cheap modern revival production? Time will tell.
Also, the concerts audiences were full of long time fans, not random tourists.
Has there ever, in the histpry of musical theatre, been a case, where a revival of a show, toned down and cheaper, has been more successful than the long-running original of the same show?
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Post by BurlyBeaR on Jul 14, 2019 13:01:34 GMT
Poster J, do you think the same counts for Phantom? That removing the chandelier, costumes, stairs, boat, chandeliers would not harm the show? And putting a cheap revival set in its place?Sorry but I cannot agree with this. There is nothing cheap about the new production, it’s one of the most stunning things I’ve seen on stage and looks BETTER than the original and is better than many if not most West End musicals that I’ve seen. If people prefer the revolve and the nostalgia factor of the original then fine, but to say the new one is cheap is misrepresenting the facts.
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Post by steve10086 on Jul 14, 2019 13:06:25 GMT
Will tourists, who visit London once, who only might choose 1 show to visit, choose an original legendary blockbuster production that has been running for 30 years or a cheap modern revival production? Will they even know, let alone care, that the show has changed?
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Post by ptwest on Jul 14, 2019 13:08:03 GMT
Given what posters have said about the way in which the original version has been watered down / sped up / cut etc, it seems clear from overall ticket sales that the average theatre goer hasn't noticed, and the name Les Miserables is enough to keep the show going. It will still be a tourist trap and will keep doing brisk business. I actually think that the classic set pieces are less important in Les Mis than Phantom, as the re-imagined POTO tour showed. Les Mis can exist without the revolve, but Phantom without the boat, chandelier etc would be tricky.
I loved the original production, I first saw it at the Palace in the late 80s, and it was, indeed, epic and it saddens me that it will no longer be seen. However, I also really enjoyed the new version when I saw it in Manchester. It paves the way for a money making tour of the future though, the original production returns. Just like Phantom is now doing!
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